Joe O'Reilly case

[Macy]

stopping just short of a commemorative All-Ireland style 12 page pull out.
I think some of them have today. Obviously I haven't sat through the entire evidence, but from what has been on the television and radio, I'm not at all comfortable with the verdict on the evidence given.

Also, I hear that journalists and Rachels friends are now revealing stuff that obviously didn't have enough to make it into the book of evidence, but the papers and radio are quite happy to publish/ broadcast. Even after conviction, the trial by media continues...

[reder]

The media really have gone to town on this one. As someone said before, im 100% sure the welfare of the children is their primary concern!!!! I think the circumstances under which he was convicted were ridiculous and it is a disgrace that he does not have the right to appeal.

[beautifulrock]

The media really have gone to town on this one. As someone said before, im 100% sure the welfare of the children is their primary concern!!!! I think the circumstances under which he was convicted were ridiculous and it is a disgrace that he does not have the right to appeal.

I am not so sure, I feel that with the absence of a witness to the murder and the actual murder weapon then all the Gardai could do was build the case around the errors in his statements. Generally with the absence of above the investigating team would rely on DNA and finger proof based evidence. However, as the accused lived at the property then this was never going to happen in this case. The text/calls issue could be construed as above average police work.

[Macy]

I am not so sure, I feel that with the absence of a witness to the murder and the actual murder weapon then all the Gardai could do was build the case around the errors in his statements.
But that is the problem - they've proved he lied in statments, proved that he was in the same area as the house, not that he murdered anyone. I suppose the judge was never going to give leave to appeal after him saying lying in the statement would be enough to convict based on having something to hide :rolleyes:

Friend of the eL, Mick McCafferty also popped up on newstalk explaining his relationship with O'Reilly, and how he cut off contact with the "psychopath" once it was obvious he was guilty. Independent News and Media - quality journalism...

[mypost]

Apparantly, one newspaper has devoted 25 PAGES to the case today.:eek: It's still the lead story on the radio news as well.

Let..it..go... :rolleyes:

[joeSoap]

Leave to appeal (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1924/en/act/pub/0010/sec0032.html)

[onceahoop]

I think some of them have today. Obviously I haven't sat through the entire evidence, but from what has been on the television and radio, I'm not at all comfortable with the verdict on the evidence given.

Also, I hear that journalists and Rachels friends are now revealing stuff that obviously didn't have enough to make it into the book of evidence, but the papers and radio are quite happy to publish/ broadcast. Even after conviction, the trial by media continues...

The evidence you talk about did make it into the book of evidence, however the dedendents legal team argued that it should not be heard. What then happened was that the evidence was heard without the jury been present and the judge decided that it was not admissable. Joe O'Reilly tried the same tactic with the mobile phone mast but in that instance the Judge found against him.

[anto1208]

What did the judge say at the end when i heard it i was shocked something like you can presume his guilt because he lied , surely that cant be right .

Should a judge really say even though there is no evidence you can convict him based on a lie :eek:

[Erstwhile Bóz]

Presumably he's well within his rights for so advising them, but it seems extremely counterintuitive to the whole "proven guilty" thing.

Maybe he meant to tell them that they could infer the guilt of someone charged with murder if that person has been shown to have been having an affair.

[joeSoap]

O'Reilly to appeal conviction-Independent.ie


Murderer Joe O’Reilly is to appeal his conviction. O’Reilly believes he can win an appeal on technical grounds.

It is expected the case to be lodged before the Court of Criminal Appeal will be fought purely on the circumstantial nature of the prosecution evidence.

O’Reilly has two weeks to lodge an appeal against the trial judge’s decision to refuse him leave to appeal.

Though Mr Justice Barry White had refused leave to appeal, O’Reilly’s defence lawyers have a fortnight from today to appeal against this ruling in the Court of Criminal Appeal.

If the appeal goes ahead, it is expected that a date for the appeal would be set before Christmas or early in 2008, legal sources said today.

That means that the judge would re-examine the evidence in the trial which gripped the nation but much of the appeal would probably concentrate on legal argument and submissions.

One of the planks of such an appeal is expected to be the amount of publicity generated about the case before it went to trial.

His lawyers are likely to argue the massive media exposure was prejudicial to his chances of a fair trial.

The trial judge said the case had attracted more media attention that any case he had ever been involved in.

The technical evidence which played a crucial part in the circumstantial evidence which led to his conviction, is also likely to come under scrutiny.

The appeal would not mean a re-run of witnesses and evidence heard during the four week trial.

It would mainly consist of detailed legal submissions by barristers for Joe O’Reilly and for the State. Mobile phone data, which helped convince the jury that Joe O’Reilly murdered his wife, was the subject of detailed legal argument during his trial in the Central Criminal Court.

There were four days of legal argument in the absence of the jury during the trial. Judge White refused to admit the“reconstructions” of the crime Joe O’Reilly carried out for Rachel’s family and friends.

But he did rule that O’Reilly’s mobile phone records had been legally obtained and deemed them admissable. In the end, the mobile phone records which showed he was near the murder scene at the time of the murder, proved his undoing.

They allowed the prosecutor, Mr Denis Vaughan-Buckley, to place Joe O’Reilly in the vicinity of his home on the day he murdered his wife.

The use of mobile phone records ushered in a new era of criminal trials which demonstrated how important such highly technical evidence has become for the State.

They helped convict Joe O’Reilly of a crime which he had steadfastly denied throughout his trial and during Garda questioning.

Appeal lawyers will not have to scrutinise trial transcripts.

[onceahoop]

Presumably he's well within his rights for so advising them, but it seems extremely counterintuitive to the whole "proven guilty" thing.

Maybe he meant to tell them that they could infer the guilt of someone charged with murder if that person has been shown to have been having an affair.

From what I've read and heard, legal experts who attended the trial believe the judge conducted the trial extremely carefully and could not find fault with him.

[cheifo]

1)God help those poor kids left behind.
2)I cant beleive that psycho scumbag could be out in 14 years.

[inexile]

whatever about how he was convicted the man is guilty as hell, its whats called corroborative evidence, he beat his wife to death simple as that, he lied through his teeth trying to get off with it, argue points of law all you want but he did it. so let him off to do his life sentence