View Full Version : Bigger 'Love Ulster' parade planned for Dublin...
Jerry The Saint
28/06/2007, 3:56 PM
Can't see anyone ever wanting a "Love Connaught" march. It would hardly be a parade if it did happen.
Would be more of a "God Love Them" march.
Lionel Ritchie
28/06/2007, 4:00 PM
Maybe we could have Love Musnster, Love Leinster and Love Connaught marches at the same time ...y'know an All-Ireland thing.
Red&White Rover
28/06/2007, 4:12 PM
I don't like the whole idea of the "Love Ulster" parade...It's inviting trouble and as far as i can see is just a Unionist type of superiority parade for no reason...
Jerry The Saint
28/06/2007, 5:48 PM
Maybe we could have Love Musnster, Love Leinster and Love Connaught marches at the same time ...y'know an All-Ireland thing.
Well for simplicity, it should just be a "Love the 4 Provinces" thing. Or better yet, "Love 32 Counties"...
AnnaghRed
28/06/2007, 6:22 PM
Wullie Frazer is a total bell-end.
A 22-year-old father of two has been given a four year sentence with two years suspended for his role in the riots on the day of the Love Ulster march in Dublin last year.
He sentenced Mr Heapes to a total of four years in jail, with the last two years suspended.
RTE News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0628/loveulster.html)
Good to see a jail conviction at last. :cool:
Lionel Ritchie
28/06/2007, 8:34 PM
RTE News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0628/loveulster.html)
Good to see a jail conviction at last. :cool:
Good to see his "don't blame me I'm an impressionable fcukin idiot" line of defence was given short shrift too.
Good to see his "don't blame me I'm an impressionable fcukin idiot" line of defence was given short shrift too.
He also tried to claim he had ADD. :rolleyes:
Lim till i die
28/06/2007, 9:05 PM
I thought we (Southerners) are meant to be tolerant. For ****s sake we allowed a Gay parade down O'Connell Street, and thats alot worse than a few bands and union jacks.
You sir, are priceless :D :rolleyes:
Lionel Ritchie
28/06/2007, 10:28 PM
He also tried to claim he had ADD. :rolleyes:
Curiously his attention span was just fine when he was burnin g a couple of cars and burgling a shop. He was pure high functional that day.
rebelarmyexile
01/07/2007, 8:40 PM
and the last time the IRA commerated at the site of one of their atrocities is? or more specifically commerated the bomber himself?
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
BohsPartisan
01/07/2007, 9:40 PM
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
Am I missing something? When did the IRA blow up Casement Park? The cries of Terrorism would be more convincing if you weren't defending terrorists yourself.
rebelarmyexile
01/07/2007, 11:03 PM
Am I missing something? When did the IRA blow up Casement Park? The cries of Terrorism would be more convincing if you weren't defending terrorists yourself.
What terrorists am i defending? Are those innocent Protestants (in this case) who lost loved ones to the murderers of SF and friends (or former friends) the terrorists you speak of?
How come people dont protest (or oppose) the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO (8 civilians registered as killed) or the unarmed GR marching from Beggars Bush barracks? where they not terrorist acts? They were.
Lionel Ritchie
02/07/2007, 8:29 AM
What terrorists am i defending? Are those innocent Protestants (in this case) who lost loved ones to the murderers of SF and friends (or former friends) the terrorists you speak of?.
You have to know that one of the principal characters depicted on the placards Love Ulster carry at their wee danders is strongly implicated in the Dublin and Monaghan bombing.
I'm in favour of them being allowed march -but I acknowledge this individual being held up as a "victim" disgusts many.
But as I've already said Willy and co. have a skewed and warped view of who exactly deserves victimhood and who does not.
BohsPartisan
02/07/2007, 8:39 AM
the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO
Your calling the men and women of the 1916 rising terrorists? :eek: You could call them tactically naieve alright but terrorists? :rolleyes:
How about those who fought the War of independance? Were the Tans and the Auxilliaries "Just doing their job?". Are you in favour of Monarchy?
How times have changed in NI. Was looking at the news on saturday and was barely a policeman in sight at a parade which was the scene of violence a few years ago.
Crazy to think that the most contensious parade this marching season will be in Dublin.
BohsPartisan, Casement Park is in Northern Ireland which in not part of Ireland. Why would republicans want to march in Britain (essentially)?
I had the misfortune of bumping into one of these marches near Bodenstown a few years ago and it was vulgar to say the least. I would find it hard to believe that this Love Ulster march will be any worse in terms of sentiment.
In an ideal world marches from both sides would be banned in the republic.
BohsPartisan
02/07/2007, 8:50 AM
BohsPartisan, Casement Park is in Northern Ireland which in not part of Ireland. Why would republicans want to march in Britain (essentially)?
Northern Ireland is not Britain. It is part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If you don't know why Republicans would want to hold a rally at a GAA ground in Northern Ireland then you don't know much about Irish Republicanism.
galwayhoop
02/07/2007, 10:10 AM
How come people dont protest (or oppose) the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO (8 civilians registered as killed) or the unarmed GR marching from Beggars Bush barracks? where they not terrorist acts? They were.
:rolleyes:
Any chance we can move on from the "those terrorists are as bad as the other terrorists" style of debate?
All parades & marches are pathetic & IMO part of the problem is both sides being unable to move on from history.
While I can understand some people feel intimidated by marches past their home I think City centre parades should not offend anyone.
galwayhoop
02/07/2007, 10:28 AM
I'm not apologising and not supporting them but you're not comparing like with like. The Love Ulster parade really serves no purpose other than to antagonise. Are they protesting something that they wish to change? If so I can't see it. If the republican bombing campaign was ongoing and the Irish state was complicit in this then they would be justified in marching for an end to the campaign, end of collusion etc. However this is to "commemorate" the victims of Republican violence. Why have a commemoration in hostile territory if your aim is not to antagonise. In fairness to the chuckys they don't go holding their commemorations in loyalist areas.
The over-riding problem here is that these people are commemorating the victims of one community. Why not hold a commemoration for all victims of sectarian violence where both sides could join in? If there was no sectarian motive in the march then this would be the obvious course to take.
great post.
even the name of this parade is totally misleading - it is nothing to do with loving ulster.
if there is nothing antagonistic about commerating unionst/protestant dead then why is it not just called a commemoration of the dead from the troubles?
what a great idea Partisan about a parade representing both communities commemorating ALL victims, marching side by side down o'connell street, with no triumphialism or sectarian tunes from either side. that would be a true representation of bridge building between both communities and a show of how far things have moved on.
personally, i feel that the 'love ulster' parade is only there to provoke a reaction, which unfortunately last time it did.
yes, there were innocent protestant casualities but there were so-many innocent catholic casualities and when the march commemorates both and acts as a show of unity by both communities then it will really be a love ulster parade, and nothing to do with republicanism or unionism, and i will not oppose it.
until then keep these parades in unionist areas where there will be no reaction.
can you imagine a 'love turkey*' parade in the southern half of cyprus??
*turkey the country for anyone who thinks they are funny!!!
Erstwhile Bóz
02/07/2007, 10:48 AM
Casement Park is in Northern Ireland which in not part of Ireland. Why would republicans want to march in Britain (essentially)?
WHAT the f*ck kind of four-year-old's logic is that? Are you on a wind-up, seriously? How long did you say you've been in this country, fifteen years? Sweet divine.
bennocelt
02/07/2007, 9:44 PM
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
Are you Ian Paisley in disguise?
bennocelt
02/07/2007, 9:48 PM
All parades & marches are pathetic & IMO part of the problem is both sides being unable to move on from history.
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bit difficult when you discuss the bast tard state of Northern Ireland:rolleyes:
SolitudeRed
03/07/2007, 7:20 PM
Are you Ian Paisley in disguise?
Even Paisley doesn't use that sort of terminology any more! sure hes bset mates with Marty McGuinness now:D
Whilst I don't agree with this march i think that it should be left alone and allowed to pass off peacefully. Willie Frazer is one of those small minded people in the North who doesn't seem to understand that there are two sides to every coin and that there was suffering on both sides, this may be understandable due to the sufferings inflicted on his family in South Armagh but doesn't excuse it. I remember there was a current affairs phone in show on a local radio station every sunday and he would be on every sunday in his capacity as head of this victim ranting about Sinn Fein but he never once mentioned any Nationalist victims of the troubles! I don't know how he expects people to take him seriously in the south when he arrives down with a bunch of sectarian bands!
SolitudeRed
03/07/2007, 7:23 PM
How come people dont protest (or oppose) the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO (8 civilians registered as killed) or the unarmed GR marching from Beggars Bush barracks? where they not terrorist acts? They were.
Probably the same reasons why they don't protest about the fact that there is a big statue of the mass murderer Oliver Cromwell outside the Houses of Parliament in London.
Saint Tom
05/07/2007, 9:43 PM
How come people dont protest (or oppose) the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO (8 civilians registered as killed) or the unarmed GR marching from Beggars Bush barracks? where they not terrorist acts? They were.
well done sir, you have won the prize of moron of the year.
How many civilians are killed by her majesty's finest every day of the week in iraq?? How many thousand civilians were killed during bombing raids over German cities during the second world war?? Terrorists all in my view but then again hostory is written by the victors (or not in the case of iraq and also afghanistan) Cromwell was the founder of the modern political system in the Uk and he is held in high regard, when all he was was a mini hitler if you werent of his creed or conscience.
or does civilian not matter if you are fighting for the Empire?
onceahoop
05/07/2007, 10:24 PM
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
Some of those in the H-Blocks were internees who were never charged with any offence. A lot of Nationalists would tell you that only for the IRA there would have been a pogrom in Ulster in the early 70's. Ask the people of the Short Strand what would have happened if the IRA had not come to there rescue when they were besieged by a loyalist gang bent on murder.
bennocelt
05/07/2007, 11:10 PM
well done sir, you have won the prize of moron of the year.
How many civilians are killed by her majesty's finest every day of the week in iraq?? How many thousand civilians were killed during bombing raids over German cities during the second world war?? Terrorists all in my view but then again hostory is written by the victors (or not in the case of iraq and also afghanistan) Cromwell was the founder of the modern political system in the Uk and he is held in high regard, when all he was was a mini hitler if you werent of his creed or conscience.
or does civilian not matter if you are fighting for the Empire?
Well put (better than anything i could write!:))
just finished the excellent book ...Bad Lands, written by the guy who set up Lonely Planet, brill book
but he mentioned that Harris and his ilk, trained for their bombing raids for WW2 in Iraq, just before Dresden, etc, killing many, but then they were only Arabs!
then we have Kitchner and his concentration camps, and South Africa
(and this is going widely off topic........sorry!!)
mypost
06/07/2007, 12:44 AM
This thread is about the merits, such as they are, of a march going down the main street of the capital city of this country. Who killed who in the past, has nothing to do with it, imo.
Despite the non-Dublin community's support for it, the poll currently stands at 29-5, in favour of it not going ahead.
Lionel Ritchie
06/07/2007, 10:55 AM
Some of those in the H-Blocks were internees who were never charged with any offence. True. Grotesque stupidity on the part of the British.
A lot of Nationalists would tell you that only for the IRA there would have been a pogrom in Ulster in the early 70's... ...a lot of Nationalists certainly believe it. Whether it'd have happened or not is moot. That's not challenging that loyalist paramilitaries could operate pretty much with impugnity ...evidence enough from the UWC for that.
Co-incidently, no small amount of loyalists will tell you that only for the UVF and the UDA they'd have been run out of their homes or would be 2nd class citizens in a united Ireland now.
Ask the people of the Short Strand what would have happened if the IRA had not come to there rescue when they were besieged by a loyalist gang bent on murder. ...then ask them about the price they paid for their supposed rescue up until quite recently ...and who knows, perhaps even still.
Some of those in the H-Blocks were internees who were never charged with any offence.
Of course, random people were put in the H-Blocks when they had done nothing wrong!! They were completely innocent of all wrong-doing, alter boys the lot of them!!! Its mind-blowing some of the stuff people come out with sometimes.
Face it, there are murders, terrorists and criminals on both sides of the divide and both are equally full of absolute nonsense.
Now, back to this march. Has a date been set?
inexile
11/07/2007, 2:03 PM
This thread is about the merits, such as they are, of a march going down the main street of the capital city of this country. Who killed who in the past, has nothing to do with it, imo.
Despite the non-Dublin community's support for it, the poll currently stands at 29-5, in favour of it not going ahead.
what happened last time was nothing to do with religion or politics or any of that nonsense it was just an organised group of scum who saw an opportunity for an afternoon of violence which they could claim was in the interests of their country. I for one would be against the march going ahead for fear there would be a repeat of what happened the last time which was a very scary epispode. I don't see the reason why they want to march but i would be inclined to let them off if there was a guarantee there would not be any violence but that cannot be given so therefore i think the sensible thing to do is not to let the march go ahead.
WeAreRovers
11/07/2007, 2:30 PM
what happened last time was nothing to do with religion or politics or any of that nonsense it was just an organised group of scum who saw an opportunity for an afternoon of violence which they could claim was in the interests of their country.
That sums up Willie Frazer and his bigot mates perfectly. Well done that man!
KOH
Erstwhile Bóz
11/07/2007, 2:45 PM
Some of those in the H-Blocks ...
Of course, random people were put in the H-Blocks when they had done nothing wrong!! They were completely innocent of all wrong-doing, alter boys the lot of them!!! Its mind-blowing some of the stuff people come out with sometimes
:confused::confused:
Why would republicans want to march in Britain?
Marked Man
11/07/2007, 8:35 PM
Of course, random people were put in the H-Blocks when they had done nothing wrong!! They were completely innocent of all wrong-doing, alter boys the lot of them!!! Its mind-blowing some of the stuff people come out with sometimes.
Do everyone a favor, and google "internment" and "Northern Ireland." Until then try to desist from commenting on something you so clearly know nothing about.
jebus
12/07/2007, 12:55 AM
Of course, random people were put in the H-Blocks when they had done nothing wrong!! They were completely innocent of all wrong-doing, alter boys the lot of them!!! Its mind-blowing some of the stuff people come out with sometimes
Someone obviously has never read a history book anyway
Someone obviously has never read a history book anyway
No I have but people on this thread are trying to put accross this idea that ALL nationalist were poor unfortunate persecuted people up north who were thrown into prison for doing absolutely nothing wrong while ALL unionists/loyalist were lively the high life.
That is just not true.
OneRedArmy
12/07/2007, 8:33 AM
No I have but people on this thread are trying to put accross this idea that ALL nationalist were poor unfortunate persecuted people up north who were thrown into prison for doing absolutely nothing wrong while ALL unionists/loyalist were lively the high life.
That is just not true.Where did anyone say this?
Stop trying to cover up your ignorance.
Where did anyone say this?
Stop trying to cover up your ignorance.
Countless people above has played the poor old persecuted nationalist tune.
OneRedArmy
12/07/2007, 8:54 AM
Countless people above has played the poor old persecuted nationalist tune.Given you hadn't even heard of internment, do you think you are well enough informed to take a view on who had been persecuted or not?
It seems like you've heard one side of the story, if that.
Bluebeard
12/07/2007, 10:42 AM
Any truth in the Rumour that the Love Ulster Parade will be led by Mika, who is playing a live gig at Merrion Square for participants afterwards?
Bring on the rainbow sash, I say.
jebus
12/07/2007, 11:28 AM
Mika's gay!?!
Moderator: Any chance this could stay on topic so I don't have to close this?
osarusan
12/07/2007, 5:27 PM
When is the march provisionally scheduled for?
mypost
12/07/2007, 9:02 PM
Hopefully Never.
If they want to come down here, they can be sure of an ahem....audience.
Lionel Ritchie
13/07/2007, 7:43 AM
Hopefully Never.
If they want to come down here, they can be sure of an ahem....audience.
Bless you Mypost. Stout and brave. I feel safer already.:rolleyes:
Hopefully Never.
If they want to come down here, they can be sure of an ahem....audience.
I thought it was just Celtic fans (http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/feb2007/p2240016.jpg) at last years riot... :rolleyes:
Lim till i die
13/07/2007, 10:05 PM
Hopefully Never.
If they want to come down here, they can be sure of an ahem....audience.
James Connolly would be proud
onceahoop
16/07/2007, 7:28 PM
When is the march provisionally scheduled for?
I think I heard September mentioned. Saw Willie Fraser interviewed on tele the other night, still going on about protestant community living in fear of their lives.
Saint Tom
25/07/2007, 6:36 PM
classic, celtic jerseys saying no to foreign sports :) I really pity these morons
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