Manhunt 2 Banned

[anto1208]

On the last word today the Ps2 game manhunt 2 has been banned from ireland !! . WTF is going on they are saying that its not the same as putting an 18 cert on a voilent movie like Hostel because kids will still get the game .

Now i had manhunt 1 which was a really poor game that only sold on the back of its voilent content , manhunt 2 would have prob sold a fe wcopies then dissapeared . But with this banning they have prob doubled the sales figures . And people will just buy it online anyway

[BohsPartisan]

Will GTA 4 be next I wonder?

[passinginterest]

On the last word today the Ps2 game manhunt 2 has been banned from ireland !! . WTF is going on they are saying that its not the same as putting an 18 cert on a voilent movie like Hostel because kids will still get the game .

Now i had manhunt 1 which was a really poor game that only sold on the back of its voilent content , manhunt 2 would have prob sold a fe wcopies then dissapeared . But with this banning they have prob doubled the sales figures . And people will just buy it online anyway

Heard something about this earlier but didn't catch the name of the game. It's banned in the UK too. Did they give specific reasons for the ban? It must be something incredibly extreme given the current relaxed views on cencorship.

[Raheny Red]

Heard something about this earlier but didn't catch the name of the game. It's banned in the UK too. Did they give specific reasons for the ban? It must be something incredibly extreme given the current relaxed views on cencorship.

I had the game a few years back and the violence was extreme. You had to hide in the dark and shut on your victims. The deadliest killing I can remember was suffocating the victim with a plastic bag. Banning it is ridiculous though, just make sure it's only available to 18+ :rolleyes:

[jebus]

Absolute horse**** in my opinion. Listen to the anti-gaming lobby and they'll tell you GTA, Manhunt etc. are whats responsible for the kids of today being out of control, then listen to their pathetic attempts at justifing this stance. If a game is given an 18s cert then its shouldn't be sold to anyone under 18, legally this should be enough. I've worked in HMV and Virgin and I've refused (against my better judgement) to sell GTA to kids of 13/14/etc. because I know the trouble it could cause. But besides that all of this anti-game hysteria just shifts the real blame for kids being involved in crime away from their own parents.

I remember after ManHunt 1 had been released some British teenager got stabbed to death and they tried to blame it on the game, saying it gave the murdering teenager pyschotic thoughts, I mean where do you start trying to have a discussion with someone who believes that?

[DmanDmythDledge]

Banning it is ridiculous though, just make sure it's only available to 18+ :rolleyes:
I don't agree with the banning but how do you keep it away from under 18s? You can't.

[Jerry The Saint]

I remember after ManHunt 1 had been released some British teenager got stabbed to death and they tried to blame it on the game, saying it gave the murdering teenager pyschotic thoughts, I mean where do you start trying to have a discussion with someone who believes that?

On the radio today the censor (film censor) who banned it even said that the guy in that case never even played Manhunt 1. Of course he was still asked about it so people will always believe these stories once the media publicises them (Marilyn Manson - Columbine; OldBoy - Virginia Tech shootings).

The reason given for the banning was that the violence in the game is pretty gratuitious without a storyline to give it context, so maybe future GTA games will be OK.



The Film Censor, John Kelleher, claims the game features gross levels of manipulation and torture.

Mr Kelleher said he recognises that in some films or video games strong graphic violence may be a justifiable element within the overall context of the work. However, he said that in the case of this game, there was no context and the brutality was unrelenting and gratuitous

At least the latest film censor is a bit more connected to reality than the last guy. Still can't believe that Natural Born Killers and From Dusk Til Dawn were deemed unfit to be viewed by Irish people.:rolleyes:

[anto1208]

The game with the plastic bag was manhunt 1 , it was sold on the back of the voilent attacks the game itself bored the arse off me within a day or 2 .

GTA4 won t get banned they said ( and to be fair to him they dont ban much ) that this game was purely based on killing , where as a game like GTA has killing but its not the sole purpose of the game and its not ment to be as bad . See this is what i mean i havent seen the game but they are making it sound great :eek:


They where on abou tit this morning and made the claim that its fine for normal people to play these games but what if someone with mental tendencies played them and it sent them over the edge . My answer is anything could do that was it Charls manson that listened the the beatles and thought they told him to send all his buddies out murdering !!!

ID played Mario as a kid and I didn’t end up eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles ………………………………..i just watched TV ;) :D

[BohsPartisan]

ID played Mario as a kid and I didn’t end up eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles

Are you sure??? Turtle jumping is a scourge on society

[anto1208]

Are you sure??? Turtle jumping is a scourge on society

shhh ive gotten away with it for this long .

I also played duck hunt and never shot a duck afterwards

[Raheny Red]

I don't agree with the banning but how do you keep it away from under 18s? You can't.

Well, what I meant was only sell it to 18+ after that if there parent thinks it ain't too bad then they can go buy it for their child.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Well, what I meant was only sell it to 18+
They can try doing that but it wouldn't work. Just look at off licenses.

[Raheny Red]

They can try doing that but it wouldn't work. Just look at off licenses.

Well it would be funny to asked by some 15 year 'here, mistur will ya go in and buy us the Playstation 2 game Manhunt, sound?' :D

[superfrank]

I saw on Sky News earlier that a Law and Order games has been banned for having an image of Jamie Bolger being kidnapped in it.

I find it very strange that the producers of Law and Order would link themselves to something like that. It is a pretty serious show.

I honestly don't know what's so offensive about it.

[kdjaC]

The game in question Manhunt is for the Wii and the emphasis is to kill by using the wiimote as a weapon ie a knife or club. So ehh repeated stabbing actions or throat cutting :eek:

Granted its for adults but means nothing to parents who will buy what ever game will babysit their kids for long periods. Irish just taking the easy out and following the UK. The game looks ****e and is just violence for sake of it. Instead of banning games they should focus on not letting kids play them and enfore the ratings system.

How many times have you seen a kid being a refused a game and theng etting their parents to buy it for them?

kdjac

[John83]

That's the parents' fault, and they should be held accountable. Doesn't mean adults should be denied it.

From what I've heard, Manhunt 2 is a sick piece of ****, but that doesn't mean I agree with banning it - far from it.

That Law & Order Bolger thing sounds a bit off though. I mean, wtf?

[pineapple stu]

From what I've heard, Manhunt 2 is a sick piece of ****, but that doesn't mean I agree with banning it - far from it.
I don't know; I can't think of a single valid reason to promote or encourage such activities, especially with the fact that the Wii means you act out the movements. People will complain hysterically about nanny states, but there surely comes a time when people need to be protected from themselves.

That said, I can't imagine what sort of person would have a low enough level of intellect to find something like this fun.

[anto1208]

I don't know; I can't think of a single valid reason to promote or encourage such activities, especially with the fact that the Wii means you act out the movements. People will complain hysterically about nanny states, but there surely comes a time when people need to be protected from themselves.

That said, I can't imagine what sort of person would have a low enough level of intellect to find something like this fun.


where do you draw the line no world war 2 games shooting some one or stabbing them in those games is just as voilent , do you ban films like hostel .

There is more blood and gore on the 6 oclock news than in any of these games the difference is thats real this is fantasy .

I had no interest in it but now they have raised my expectations ill get it on import it will be cheaper anyway

[pineapple stu]

It's a good point alright. I suppose war games create less fuss because they're based on real life. Can I sit on the fence and say that, while there is presumably a line to be drawn somewhere, it would be so far removed from this game to not make any difference to my point?

You don't see people screaming in pain as their throat is slashed on the evening news.

[GavinZac]

ridiculous decision. then again we live in an ireland where playboy is restricted to 999 copies throughtout ireland and a casual hash smoker can be convicted for longer than a pederast.

whether or not the game is your cup of tea, or if you think it'd be fun or not, it is no more gory than a lot of movies, eg Saw. we're going down a ridiculous path, and i think the fact is that someone is gunning for GTA4. the same company makes "Bully", which was banned, remade and renamed to Canis Canem Edit (Dog Eat Dog). Now they've banned Manhunt, by the same company, on dubious grounds.

If parents are stupid enough to buy their kids a gory game, thats their own issue. Claiming "sure they'll get it by whinging" is no more an excuse than saying kids will ask for beer or porn.

[anto1208]

There was a girl on who works in a video rental shop she refused to give a 18's game to a 8 year old , The mother came in ate the head off her for making her get out of the car :eek: and got the game for him anyway .

Now i reckon a great mum like that would be a lot worse for any kid growing up than any game since your parent are your main influence at the age

[BohsPartisan]

You don't see people screaming in pain as their throat is slashed on the evening news.

Its only a matter of time.
Actually if you got to see people screaming in pain on Big Brother I might tune in.

[bellavistaman]

Absolute horse**** in my opinion. Listen to the anti-gaming lobby and they'll tell you GTA, Manhunt etc. are whats responsible for the kids of today being out of control, then listen to their pathetic attempts at justifing this stance. If a game is given an 18s cert then its shouldn't be sold to anyone under 18, legally this should be enough. I've worked in HMV and Virgin and I've refused (against my better judgement) to sell GTA to kids of 13/14/etc. because I know the trouble it could cause. But besides that all of this anti-game hysteria just shifts the real blame for kids being involved in crime away from their own parents.

I remember after ManHunt 1 had been released some British teenager got stabbed to death and they tried to blame it on the game, saying it gave the murdering teenager pyschotic thoughts, I mean where do you start trying to have a discussion with someone who believes that?

Totally agree, they always use the games as a excuse its ridiculous. An absolute joke, what about all the other millions who played the same game and living normal lives. Suppose were the ones who have problems, the one person who kills some1 is the person who, was a lovely fella 100% influenced by the game. Not right like. Dont see how a game could influence you to killl some1, besides the last time i played fifa and seen how much it changed for the worse, by god if i met a Fifa employee then... :D:D

[Sheridan]

The game in question Manhunt is for the Wii and the emphasis is to kill by using the wiimote as a weapon ie a knife or club. So ehh repeated stabbing actions or throat cutting
If anyone ever tries to stab me, I hope they use a wiimote.

[anto1208]

Its not like there where no voilent attacks before Playstations came along im nearly sure there was a world war or 2 not possitve ill have to google it :D

[superfrank]

Its not like there where no voilent attacks before Playstations came along im nearly sure there was a world war or 2 not possitve ill have to google it :D
Sure didn't you know Risk is the national pastime of Germany?

[Raheny Red]

If anyone ever tries to stab me, I hope they use a wiimote.

POTM :D

[BohsPartisan]

Sure didn't you know Risk is the national pastime of Germany?

When I was on holidays in Greece there was a lot of Germans in our apartment block. They used to sit on the balcony playing Yahtzee. Can you imagine how disturbing it is to be dozing off in bed and all of a sudden you here a German voice screaming out "Yahtzee!"?

[Calcio Jack]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

[John83]

There's a difference between restricting it from children and banning it outright CJ.

[GavinZac]

I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... If you don't like it, dont take your kids there. You are as much to fault for exposing your kids to it as anyone, you've brought them to a private establishment. Shop somewhere else, leave the kids at home, or stop trying to ram your elitist moralism down other people's throats.

i'm sick of parents blaming everyone but themselves for their kids behaviour or "savvy"ness

[anto1208]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

How come you( or anyone for that matter) know whats best for me ? Why cant i make up my own mind

While i dont have kids i do remember what it was like to be a kid , When i was a kid i wasnt a moron ( some may argue that has changed in my later years :D) I knew the difference between a game a movie and real life . I think people dont give kids enough credit .

Believe me your kids probibly dont even notice those mags so the only person it effects is you , They are looking at the sweets or comics . i remember me and my mates found a nudey mag when we where 8 or 9 we all had a look had a giggle threw it away and went off playing football . It had no bad effect on me what so ever .

But this is off topic This isnt for kids this is saying to me as an adult im not aloud to play this game , That i need protecting from this game . Do you realise how stupid and insulting that is .

[jebus]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

Yeah its a shame we're not the same backward country we always were alright, for me there's no gray area when it comes to restrictions on entertainment, either we live in a society where you are allowed to think for yourself on these matters, or we don't.

Look I don't have children, but I'm also not one myself, and should be allowed make my own mind up as to whether I want to buy this game or not, I wouldn't, but thats besides the point. Do you really think one game is going to warp a child's mind? And that's assuming he/she gets their hands on a copy, which they shouldn't if their parents are doing their job. In my experience if a child is from a good home, and has loving, supportive parents then they turn out alright, watching or playing something as graphic as this game won't make a bloody difference.

As for the restrictions, well as I've said I, and actually most people I've worked with, have always enforced the 18s cert on movies and games, and we have had parents complain about us stopping their kids buying the product, much like the story anto told earlier on, on one occasion in particular a mother and son (roughly 12) came up to the counter with GTA Vice City and she asked me if the game was suitable, because sometimes she thought the 18s cert was given out harshly (I agree with her on that). I said that honestly I thought that this game was a bit too much for a kid her son's age, if he was 15 I wouldn't have said that, but he looked about 12 so I used my own judgement. I laid out what the game was about (gangs, contract killings, hookers, swearing etc.) as my reasons. So after all that she looked at her son, he said 'please', and she bought it for him anyway. In fairness to her at leats she took an interest in what he was playing, and probably watched some of it when he got it home, but most parents don't give a toss what their child is doing as long as it's not in front of them to be honest. So blaming the gaming industry and the sellers when this type of attitude is common in our society is just a cop out in my opinion. Parents should take full responsibility for what comes into their houses, not Rockstar, HMV, or anyone else.

On another note, Manhunt 2 wasn't all that anticipated by the gaming community I think, given that Manhunt 1 turned out to be a bit dull, but now the interest level has gone through the roof and everyone wants to get a copy, either to see what the fuss is about this time, or just purely to stick it to the man :)

[Calcio Jack]

Interesting to see the comments that I've drawn.... (1) I believe in freedom of expression (2) I don't want a throw back to the Catholic Church run/dictatorship we had (3) Adults of course should be allowed to make up their own minds on what they should see etc. (5) My wife and i of course keep a check on what comes into our home and what TV programmes we let our children see. For example I don't allow my kids (u/10 watch programmes such as East Enders) reason being , aside from them been rubbish, is that I don't feel it necessary to let them watch programmes that IMO are full of very derpessing characters. That doesn't mean that my kids don't know what goes on in the world it's just a case of letting them be kids... all the crap of the world will become clear to them soon enough. (6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .

So all I'm saying is that freedom comes in many guises and along side it comes a requirement to have the maturity to enjoy freedom and IMO we are forcing the freedom to see unsuitable material onto young kids, who IMO don't have the maturity to deal with such material.... sure i agree that it may not do any harm in most cases... that still doesn't make it right

So i'm not here to lecture to anyone.... but i do reserve my freedom to hold the view that as a parent I actually know what is best for my kids and when necessary have to enjure grief from them when I won't allow them to watch certain programmes etc... i think it is a pity that 'nowadays' more parents aren't able to say 'no' to their kids when it comes to 12 years olds as outlined being allowed to see/play violent video games (of course I acknowledge the right of the parent in question to make that decision) rather than take the easy option and pander to them.

Anyway all any of us can do is to try our best.

[anto1208]

Interesting to see the comments that I've drawn.... (1) I believe in freedom of expression (2) I don't want a throw back to the Catholic Church run/dictatorship we had (3) Adults of course should be allowed to make up their own minds on what they should see etc. (5) My wife and i of course keep a check on what comes into our home and what TV programmes we let our children see. For example I don't allow my kids (u/10 watch programmes such as East Enders) reason being , aside from them been rubbish, is that I don't feel it necessary to let them watch programmes that IMO are full of very derpessing characters. That doesn't mean that my kids don't know what goes on in the world it's just a case of letting them be kids... all the crap of the world will become clear to them soon enough. (6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .

So all I'm saying is that freedom comes in many guises and along side it comes a requirement to have the maturity to enjoy freedom and IMO we are forcing the freedom to see unsuitable material onto young kids, who IMO don't have the maturity to deal with such material.... sure i agree that it may not do any harm in most cases... that still doesn't make it right

So i'm not here to lecture to anyone.... but i do reserve my freedom to hold the view that as a parent I actually know what is best for my kids and when necessary have to enjure grief from them when I won't allow them to watch certain programmes etc... i think it is a pity that 'nowadays' more parents aren't able to say 'no' to their kids when it comes to 12 years olds as outlined being allowed to see/play violent video games (of course I acknowledge the right of the parent in question to make that decision) rather than take the easy option and pander to them.

Anyway all any of us can do is to try our best.


What about number 4 :p


Well its very clear that the parent is often the last person that knows whats right for there kids maybe not in this case but in so many cases .

Also top shelf mags are on the top shelf therefore your under 10 kids cant reach or see them even .

But you keep bringing up your kids this isnt about kids or bad parenting its about adults being able to choose whats best for themselves , I dont see where your point about forcing unsuitable material on kids is coming from no one is claiming that kids should be alloud to play this game allthough i wonder about what harm if any it would do .



I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable.

So you are not only saying you know whats best for your kids but you also know whats best for the rest of us , Not having a pop at you but you are advocating banning an adult item .You seem to be stuck on the idea that its only kids that play games .

There is an arguement ( not one id subcribe to )that exposing kids to such games will teach them that if you shoot or stab one one they will die .
How many stories have we seen about kids finding there parents gun and shooting there mate thinking that they will get back up like in the cartoons .

Kids are like women they want what they cant have as soon as they get it they will loose interest .

[kdjaC]

There's a difference between restricting it from children and banning it outright CJ.

Tbh thats the problem and what anto1208 seen i have also seen a game employee not selling a game, mother comes in buys it hands it to the kid.

Censorship isnt wrong but its should be called ratingship and used and strictly stuck too by retailers and parents. The problem isnt the game as it looks ****e anyway its the way the media protray it. Ffs the Sun had a big thing on it with a pic from resident evil 4 (next week on wii ...groovy)

Rockstar never intended for this game to come out, they know how to get their name in the press and i would bet that in GTA4 there is loads of references to manhunt 2. They make a super violent game for wii and ps2 only.. yeah right.


kdjac

[gilberto_eire]

democracy my a*se!!.

i like my games gorey...and my pornos animal'y :D

[Calcio Jack]

What about number 4 :p

oops !!


Well its very clear that the parent is often the last person that knows whats right for there kids maybe not in this case but in so many cases .

Also top shelf mags are on the top shelf therefore your under 10 kids cant reach or see them even .

My point is that kids can see them

But you keep bringing up your kids this isnt about kids or bad parenting its about adults being able to choose whats best for themselves , I dont see where your point about forcing unsuitable material on kids is coming from no one is claiming that kids should be alloud to play this game allthough i wonder about what harm if any it would do .

Accept I've gone off topic but my point is that I think it is a pity that newsagents have soft porn where kids can see the covers



So you are not only saying you know whats best for your kids but you also know whats best for the rest of us , Not having a pop at you but you are advocating banning an adult item .You seem to be stuck on the idea that its only kids that play games .

Not saying only i know what is best for them...but I am saying that ultimately IMO it is up to my Mrs and I to guide them as best we can and based on rearing them we have a fairly good idea as to what's best for them...we're not perfect but we do our best to raise them in a loving healthy enviorment... my point again is that in my view banning the game in question in the context of what is says about the values of Irish society is a good thing... Its always a very difficult call to make as to whether the state should in any interfere in the freedom of an adult to make their own choices and my own credo is that adults are entitled to do anything they want in private assuming it is on their own or a case may be with other consenting adults... however I also have no objection to adults been stopped from buying in Ireland a copy of the game in question... my view is that sometimes we have to accept that the common good is served by such actions, and yes I can understand that can annoy people and indded I would be quick to complin myself...eg remember been really annoyed when the Life of Brian movie was banned many years ago... so its all down to a judgement call that all I'm saying...there is no right or wrong answer to this.

There is an arguement ( not one id subcribe to )that exposing kids to such games will teach them that if you shoot or stab one one they will die .
How many stories have we seen about kids finding there parents gun and shooting there mate thinking that they will get back up like in the cartoons .

I've heard that arguement too and agree that I'm not convinced by it as I think many other factors also come into play.... however again I don't think it is a good thing for young kids to be involved in playing games that involve heaveyweight graphic images and/or that allow them to be involved in virtual killings.... and yes we did as kids paly cowboys and Indians difference was there was no gruseome imagery and you could count to ten and come alivve again


Kids are like women they want what they cant have as soon as they get it they will loose interest .

I could but I won't even comment on that...suffice to say that such a generalistaion is to my way of thinking somewaht spooky to say the least

[anto1208]

I understand where your coming from but banning this game sets a precedent as you say the banning of the life of brian was stupid ive heard people on Joe duffy calling for the Halifax Ad ( where the bankers have a big fight ) to be banned because its too violent .

I just find it amazing that you can buy a dvd showing real life executions but you cant buy a computer game that id imagine is no worse than Mortal combat a game purely based on one on one fighting in which after winning your fight the opponent is left dazed and you have to finish him off by ripping off his head or ripping out his heart or spine . That’s apparently ok to have in arcades full of kids all summer but its not ok for an adult to buy this game .

But what happens if some nutter takes over the censorship and we start getting whats happening in America where you cant say Ass on tv . :eek:

[Calcio Jack]

I understand where your coming from but banning this game sets a precedent as you say the banning of the life of brian was stupid ive heard people on Joe duffy calling for the Halifax Ad ( where the bankers have a big fight ) to be banned because its too violent .

I just find it amazing that you can buy a dvd showing real life executions but you cant buy a computer game that id imagine is no worse than Mortal combat a game purely based on one on one fighting in which after winning your fight the opponent is left dazed and you have to finish him off by ripping off his head or ripping out his heart or spine . That’s apparently ok to have in arcades full of kids all summer but its not ok for an adult to buy this game .

But what happens if some nutter takes over the censorship and we start getting whats happening in America where you cant say Ass on tv . :eek:

As I say it's all down to a judgement call... and there is no absloute black and white answer but differing shades of grey.... BTW two wrongs don't make a right

[Aberdonian Stu]

The Law & Order thing is nonsense.

It is an old enough game. Double or Nothing, the game in question was released in 2003 and there's been a third one since.

I own the game and never noticed it, and yes I have finished it. The picture in question is impossible to make out as it's in the background of a shot and is tiny.

Also it's a common trait of both the TV series and games to refer to real crimes, including using well known images such as the one in question.

Seems like a right storm in a teacup.

[GavinZac]

Rockstar never intended for this game to come out, they know how to get their name in the press and i would bet that in GTA4 there is loads of references to manhunt 2. They make a super violent game for wii and ps2 only.. yeah right.
the game has already been made. it was reviewed on the nintendo website. it'll be available to buy in most markets on the expected dates.

[GavinZac]

(6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .
they do not have a right to do anything of the sort, its a private establishment and if you disagree with what they sell or think its unsuitable, go support a business that you think serves you best. perhaps start one! rather than expecting the majority to pander to your wishes and circumstances through some kind of regulation, use the inherent power of the consumer, as a stakeholder, to put pressure on these companies. I obviously agree with you that kids shouldnt see those magazines but it is up to yourself to deal with it rather than us or the government.

[Calcio Jack]

they do not have a right to do anything of the sort, its a private establishment and if you disagree with what they sell or think its unsuitable, go support a business that you think serves you best. perhaps start one! rather than expecting the majority to pander to your wishes and circumstances through some kind of regulation, use the inherent power of the consumer, as a stakeholder, to put pressure on these companies. I obviously agree with you that kids shouldnt see those magazines but it is up to yourself to deal with it rather than us or the government.

You are of course correct in that they don't have a legal right per se. My point (again) is that IMO i think it is a pity that there isn't a better balance between good taste ie not having soft porn mags openly on view in newsagents or having them on view on the basis that adults have a right to have them available (although I suspect shop owners aren't that concerned with the right/wrongs but just with profits).

I haven't anywhere asked for the Goverment to deal with this issue and your comment that i should shop elsewhere isn't really a runner since every shop stocks said material.

All I 'm saying is that it's a pity kids are exposed to this kind of stuff and indeed you seem to acknowledge that when you say you agree that kids shouldn't see that kind of stuff.... so if you agree with that then surely you have to agre that it shouldn't be displayed or is it a case that you agree in principal but not in parctice ?

[anto1208]

You are of course correct in that they don't have a legal right per se. My point (again) is that IMO i think it is a pity that there isn't a better balance between good taste ie not having soft porn mags openly on view in newsagents or having them on view on the basis that adults have a right to have them available (although I suspect shop owners aren't that concerned with the right/wrongs but just with profits).

I haven't anywhere asked for the Goverment to deal with this issue and your comment that i should shop elsewhere isn't really a runner since every shop stocks said material.

All I 'm saying is that it's a pity kids are exposed to this kind of stuff and indeed you seem to acknowledge that when you say you agree that kids shouldn't see that kind of stuff.... so if you agree with that then surely you have to agre that it shouldn't be displayed or is it a case that you agree in principal but not in parctice ?



But again its you thats exposing them to these mags if your so concerned buy the comics for them them .

This is like the parents that complain about stuff being on TV thats unsuitable for there kids !! Turn the ******* thing off then

[Calcio Jack]

But again its you thats exposing them to these mags if your so concerned buy the comics for them them .

This is like the parents that complain about stuff being on TV thats unsuitable for there kids !! Turn the ******* thing off then

No it's not...an unsuitable TV programme is a standalone issue...ie you either think it's ok and let them watch it or you don't and you turn it off. Going into your local newsagents is a whole different issue ie kids go in wanting to buy comics sweets etc and are then confronted by soft porn , sure I can not allow them into a shop and go in and buy for them but I prefer to allow them to pick out their own stuff and oviousely I've made a judgement call that that is ok, I just think as things stand as a society we've lost something and IMO we're the worse off for it but hey that's the world we live in

[anto1208]

No it's not...an unsuitable TV programme is a standalone issue...ie you either think it's ok and let them watch it or you don't and you turn it off. Going into your local newsagents is a whole different issue ie kids go in wanting to buy comics sweets etc and are then confronted by soft porn , sure I can not allow them into a shop and go in and buy for them but I prefer to allow them to pick out their own stuff and oviousely I've made a judgement call that that is ok, I just think as things stand as a society we've lost something and IMO we're the worse off for it but hey that's the world we live in

So the choice is They go in to buy there sweets and get confronted with soft porn , Or you go in get there sweets and they dont get confronted with it .

You ve made a judgement call on that its ok to expose your kids to soft porn as they get to pick out there own sweets . If you know the risks yet you choose to still expose your kids to the "dangers" then what the heck-a-doodle are you complaining about .

Its lazy parenting again , I dont want want my kids exposed to soft porn but im not going to do anything to stop them being exposed to it, its the shops fault the shop needs to change .

Reminds me of one of my favourtite simpsons quotes from flanders bad parents "you have to helps us doctor we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" :D

[jebus]

Can't believe that everyone doesn't see that this is an adult game, if your kids play it it is your fault, or that of one of your kids parents

[kdjaC]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/arts/25manh.html?ei=5088&en=ec4fd372982463d3&ex=1340424000&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1182795068-Z5i6Ykvcdx5EAUL6ZvwFuw

Take two suspend games release. Sony and Nintendo wont allow the game on their systems, leaving it without a home and without a publisher. As it cost less than a million to make and required 0 publicity/marketting. Its not a loss to Rockstar but is to take two who are screwed moneywise atm.


kdjac

[Calcio Jack]

So the choice is They go in to buy there sweets and get confronted with soft porn , Or you go in get there sweets and they dont get confronted with it .

You ve made a judgement call on that its ok to expose your kids to soft porn as they get to pick out there own sweets . If you know the risks yet you choose to still expose your kids to the "dangers" then what the heck-a-doodle are you complaining about .

Its lazy parenting again , I dont want want my kids exposed to soft porn but im not going to do anything to stop them being exposed to it, its the shops fault the shop needs to change .

Reminds me of one of my favourtite simpsons quotes from flanders bad parents "you have to helps us doctor we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" :D


It's not lazy parenting, just like teaching your kids to cross the road isn't, ie there are risks in life but they have to be weighted up against getting on with life... if you'd read and ubnderstood what I 'd written in previous posts, you would of seen that I said it is a pity they are exposed to this stuff and I still stand by that ... I'm by no means a perfect parent but one thing for sure is that I don't engage in is 'lazy parenting' and so I think your lazy parenting comment is wrong.