3 club rule-difference between Cork City and Liverpool??

[eamo1]

what was the difference between maschareno being allowed to play for liverpool and farrelly and healy not being allowed play for cork despite apparently having the exact same circumstances???i know this question goes to the very heart of the problem and is the source of much of cork's annoyance.the lack of a clear answer from F.I.F.A is a joke too.
you could use the conspiracy theory that it worked for liverpool because they are a much bigger club but then galway utd also were allowed to play rodgers despite the same situation for him and they are slightly smaller then liverpool:).

[Lim till i die]

what was the difference between maschareno being allowed to play for liverpool and farrelly and healy not being allowed play for cork despite apparently having the exact same circumstances???i know this question goes to the very heart of the problem and is the source of much of cork's annoyance.the lack of a clear answer from F.I.F.A is a joke too.
you could use the conspiracy theory that it worked for liverpool because they are a much bigger club but then galway utd also were allowed to play rodgers despite the same situation for him and they are slightly smaller then liverpool:).

It's simple

FIFA hate Cork

RRS

[jebus]

It's simple

FIFA hate Cork

RRS

Its not just FIFA :p

[micls]

The problem was FIFA not recognising the ENglish loan system(loans under six months/week to week contracts) and we got screwed over it.

If they have a problem with it though I dont see why they havnt brought it up with the FA.

Oh and Liverpool would hae had the money to bring them through the courts and prove this rule pretty illegal

[Lim till i die]

Its not just FIFA :p

UEFA

UNICEF

AL QUEDA

THE ENGLISH F.A

ETA

Kittens

The GAA

Cheese

They're all out to get Cork.........

[jebus]

the lack of a clear answer from F.I.F.A is a joke too.

Really, because it states quite clearly in the FIFA guidelines that a player isn't allowed to play for 3 different clubs in the one season, and that clubs must make a case to FIFA if they wish to go against this rule. I think that states their position quite clearly, you went against the rule, made your case and lost, get over it.

There's another thread given to this very subject that goes into this matter over the course of a few pages, look it up and you'll get your answers eamo

[OhNoYouDidn't]

what was the difference between maschareno being allowed to play for liverpool and farrelly and healy not being allowed play for cork despite apparently having the exact same circumstances???i know this question goes to the very heart of the problem and is the source of much of cork's annoyance.the lack of a clear answer from F.I.F.A is a joke too.
you could use the conspiracy theory that it worked for liverpool because they are a much bigger club but then galway utd also were allowed to play rodgers despite the same situation for him and they are slightly smaller then liverpool:).

maybe because liverpool asked BEFORE they signed him?

[micls]

maybe because liverpool asked BEFORE they signed him?

Why would that make a difference:confused:

[eamo1]

ill have a look at that thread,cheers.

[gilberto_eire]

what was the difference between maschareno being allowed to play for liverpool and farrelly and healy not being allowed play for cork despite apparently having the exact same circumstances???i know this question goes to the very heart of the problem and is the source of much of cork's annoyance.the lack of a clear answer from F.I.F.A is a joke too.
you could use the conspiracy theory that it worked for liverpool because they are a much bigger club but then galway utd also were allowed to play rodgers despite the same situation for him and they are slightly smaller then liverpool:).

your failing to see rogers didnt play for a foreign team in the 3 team rule, they were all LOI and one went belly up!!..... also why are you just mentioning him there was a couple of others too at that time.

[micls]

your failing to see rogers didnt play for a foreign team in the 3 team rule, they were all LOI and one went belly up!!..... also why are you just mentioning him there was a couple of others too at that time.

Its nothing to do with them playing abroad, well not just that. If you read the CAS report in the otehr thread it clearly states the problem was the loan deals.

[eamo1]

thats why i picked him.im well aware there were others,pardon me for mentioning a utd player:rolleyes:.

[pete]

The CAS Ruling criticised FIFA for lack of transparency in the excepts rule. Its impossible to know what the exception rules are.

IMO FIFA allowed Liverpool an exception as they knew Liverpool had the financial muscle to bring a case before the english and/or European courts. If that happened it would have forced them to remove the rule completely. Cork City do not have such resources. Its a bad football rule as its not as if City were trying to hire in some ringers for a big game.

[Mr A]

The Galway United case was exceptional because the player's club had folded and to deny him the right to work would be totally unfair and indeed probably illegal. Similarly in the case of Hynes for Derry I think the fact that he was sacked from Dundalk was what made the difference.

All that said I'm not sure why Liverpool were allowed to proceed and Cork were not. Presumably something to do with the insane ownership deals surrounding Mascherano or something. Still- the system should be transparent and open, and it is clearly anything but.

[Dodge]

UEFA

UNICEF

AL QUEDA

THE ENGLISH F.A

ETA

Kittens

The GAA

Cheese

They're all out to get Cork.........
You left out people not from Cork

[Lim till i die]

You left out people not from Cork

As the Cork lads themselves say, "you can't get 'em all biiiy" :p

[A face]

The only thing about the whole situation that has a question mark for me is the FAIs dealings in the whole matter. It'll always be suspect imo, and its for this and other reasons i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them.

[gilberto_eire]

They only thing about the whole situation that has a question mark for me is the FAIs dealings in the whole matter. It'll always be suspect imo, and its for this and other reasons i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them.

hey face you have an A in your sig thats not needed!! ;)

[Tis-smeee]

Because no-one sais it, i will , its a faaaaaaarrrccceee

[A face]

hey face you have an A in your sig thats not needed!! ;)

They wont notice, trust me ;)

[don ramo]

i think fifa are trying to involve the fai better with clubs, as we dont think highly of them and the fact cork were the only team not to appeal through the fai was where they failed, as i would think the fai got on to fifa to sc*** them over for non coperation with there governing body, see it all a conspiracy for delaney to be liked, i wouldnt put it past them would you.


and sorry fifa but actual law superceeds sporting law, any individual is allowed at any time to obtain work in there profession so if i work with 2 or 10 emplyers in a year im allowed, same for professional footballers,

[OhNoYouDidn't]

FIFA arent stopping them 'obtaining work'. Both the players are employees of CCFC. FIFA have placed a transfer window and as such limited the amount of clubs you can play for, not be contracted to.

Subtle, but important, difference.

No-one seems to be able to explain why the rest of the LoI players were cleared and the CC 2 werent. Surely Cok werent stupid enough to reject the FAI's offer of taking up the case and go in on their own, were they?

[Steve Bruce]

As far as I know Mascherano was on loan to Liverpool but a fee was agreed that he will join Liverpool permenantly at the end of the season.

[don ramo]

cork went it alone and the fai made sure they were sc***ed, john delaney needs to be loved:D, how do you explain how everyone who got the fai to appeal got there players registered and cork didnt, they thoght they could go it alone but never factored in john delaneys ego:eek:

[Dodge]

cork went it alone and the fai made sure they were sc***ed, john delaney needs to be loved:D, how do you explain how everyone who got the fai to appeal got there players registered and cork didnt, they thoght they could go it alone but never factored in john delaneys ego:eek:

If Cork went it alone, whose ego are we talking about here?

[drinkfeckarse]

To be ridden rock solid by the FAI is one thing but to get ridden rock solid by FIFA is another.

[pete]

cork went it alone and the fai made sure they were sc***ed,

When CCFC decided to go it alone the FAI were doing feck all. If we had waiting there was no guarantee the FAI would do anything.

The fact that 1-2 weeks later the FAI decided they would get involved is besides the point.

[Dodge]

I'm trying to figure out what 3 letters are blanked out in sc***ed?!

Any ideas?

[don ramo]

I'm trying to figure out what 3 letters are blanked out in sc***ed?!

Any ideas?

"rap" of course what else would it be, but the fact is the fai got the others cleared and only cork city, who said they were great and didnt need there help got scraped:D, so there egos and delaney are so hugh one must go, delaney preferably but i wouldnt shed a tear for the later:D,

but it does look dodgy that the rest were cleared and citys werent, you might say it wouldnt happen no one is that childish but this is tha fai

[OhNoYouDidn't]

When CCFC decided to go it alone the FAI were doing feck all. If we had waiting there was no guarantee the FAI would do anything.

The fact that 1-2 weeks later the FAI decided they would get involved is besides the point.

yet every other club had enough faith in them to do the job. which they did.

rather than blame the FAI, FIFA and any other acronym that you see, try blaming your board for misjudging the politics of the situation and bypassing the association in dealing with FIFA.

[SÓC]

yet every other club had enough faith in them to do the job. which they did.

rather than blame the FAI, FIFA and any other acronym that you see, try blaming your board for misjudging the politics of the situation and bypassing the association in dealing with FIFA.

City went alone first because the FAI were delaying. Once the FAI got going they rowed in fully behind City.

City were done simply because we do not have the deep pockets of Liverpool to "lobby" with...

[OhNoYouDidn't]

City went alone first because the FAI were delaying. Once the FAI got going they rowed in fully behind City.

City were done simply because we do not have the deep pockets of Liverpool to "lobby" with...

pull the other one. Have Finn Harps and Athlone got the deep pockets?

this conspiracy theory nonsense would make alot more sense if all the other 'small' clubs got turned down too.

the only difference beetween cork and the other LoI clubs was you decided to reject FAI help and present your own case. do us all a favour and look to within your club for a scapegoat rather than blaming FIFA.

[Risteard]

Jesus Christ lads, how many times has it been said?
The difference was the short-term loan contracts in England which Fifa don't recognise as legit but the English FA do.

[SÓC]

pull the other one. Have Finn Harps and Athlone got the deep pockets?

this conspiracy theory nonsense would make alot more sense if all the other 'small' clubs got turned down too.

the only difference beetween cork and the other LoI clubs was you decided to reject FAI help and present your own case. do us all a favour and look to within your club for a scapegoat rather than blaming FIFA.

Do us all a favour and do just the smallest bit of background reading before shooting off your mouth again :rolleyes:

Like Risteard said the cases of the other 8 were factually different to the two City players and City did not reject FAI help either btw ; http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1838&Itemid=9

We blame FIFA because its totally their fault. Look at this crap they came out with to clear Mascherano http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/news/newsid=110829.html

How are Farrelly and Healy any different?

[pete]

FIFA:



Particular emphasis was given to the safeguarding of sporting integrity and the crucial element of overlapping seasons between the relevant associations.


eL season versus Uk season?



The Single Judge made it clear, however, that such permission can only be granted under very strict preconditions. In particular, he stressed that, "a series of elements related, on the one hand, to the duration and the positioning of the relevant sports seasons as well as to the respect of the registration periods and, on the other hand, to the duration and respect of the employment contracts concerned, need to be cumulatively met."

What does that mean?

:confused:

[John83]

It's vague, even if you strip away the legalese.

[DmanDmythDledge]

eL season versus Uk season?
How do you think the other players got cleared?:rolleyes:

As has been pointed out already the players can't play as their loans are not recognised. Nothing to do with an anti-Cork agenda. This thread should be locked.

[SÓC]

How do you think the other players got cleared?:rolleyes:

As has been pointed out already the players can't play as their loans are not recognised. Nothing to do with an anti-Cork agenda. This thread should be locked.

How many times the other Irish players had different facts to Healy and Farrelly

Yes indeed lock it...or maybe you could just not read it ;)

Tell us the difference between Healy and Farrelly and Mascherno going to Liverpool so...

...why does FIFA rule the short term contracts in England illegal but takes no action against them? Here's a hint; £ € $ ;)

[DmanDmythDledge]

Tell us the difference between Healy and Farrelly and Mascherno going to Liverpool so...
How many times...


...why does FIFA rule the short term contracts in England illegal but takes no action against them? Here's a hint; £ € $ ;)
FIFA never said they were illegal, they just didn't recognise them.

[wiseman]

Bloomin hell why are people still comparing CCFC's problem with Liverpool. They are not the same thing.
Yes the 3 club rule was an issue BUT it was the only issuse for liverpool.
Citys problems were compounded (made worse) by the loan spell dispute between FIFA and the English FA. The CAS report made that clear.
So a warning to all clubs...when looking to sign players from England...check for any loan spells and be very wary of any short loan deals in the immediate history of a player.

[Hitman]

Obviously it's not connected with the three clubs rule, but it seems odd that United could sign Larsson for three months on loan. Surely as an international transfer that should have been subject to FIFA approval, and fallen foul of the minimum six month duration?