FF & Green Party in Government

[Macy]

So I am I right in thinking that this new Government will be made up of FF-Greens-PDs that sounds suspiciously like a rainbow government which FF warned would not be stable and therefore could not rule effectively!
You missed out the FF gene pool Independent, the FG gene pool Independent, the Socialist gene pool Independent, and the Tom from Father Ted gene pool Independent. How's that for a Dolly Mixture??

[Wolfie]

She is very contactable and does a lot of parish pump issues even if they are tedious. On the ideology front, I disagree with that. Look at the election results of the People Before Profit/SWP crowd. Other than Boyd Barrett who did well on the basis of a save the sea front campaign, they fared miserably and they quite deliberately don't mention the "S-Word".

I lived in Swords from 2001 to 2006 and I can't speak highly enough of Clare Daly and the Socialist Pary in relation to how she dealt with local issues for the Rivervalley Area.

83 Acres of land behind our housing estate were earmarked for redevelopment on the Fingal Development plan. A residential zoning would have had huge adverse implications for all Residents within the area. An overwhelming majority of Residents did not want this development for very legitimate reasons. The already strained infra-structure of the area would not have coped with yet more housing.

All local politicians were lobbyed to represent the Residents wishes and vote to zone the area as "Greenbelt" at the Development Plan Meeting.

Fianna Fail, Fianna Gael and the PD's completely ignored the wishes of the residents - despite many letters, E-Mails etc outlining our concerns - and attempted to usher in a Residential Zoning at all cost.

Clare Daly led the campaign to zone the area green belt and gained the support of Labour, the Greens and some independents.

Only for Clare's total commitment to the cause - we'd have lost. Clare was always contactable and updated the Residents every step of the way. I found her attitude a complete breath of fresh air in contrast to my dealings with Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael. Very glad to say the result was a "green belt" rezoning.

Just to add - I've no political affiliations whatsoever but the above is an honest assessment of what Clare achieved for us.

[TonyD]

Aye thats right Mary Harney has made a return to the health ministry must be cos she did such a good job in her first stint in that job:rolleyes:


That's the bit that really pees me off. Mary Harney and her party are a national menace. They received a good old fashioned kicking from the electorate at the polls, and still she winds up back in government free to continue with her privatisation of the health service. Grrrr..

As for the Greens. I think they will live to regret this. The fact that the roads programme was taken away from the Dept of Transport before they were allowed near it shows how much influence they'll be permitted to have. Dick Roche signing the go ahead for the motorway before he left office is another. On the other hand, the papers will jump all over them every time they get a chance to portray them as having "sold out". It's already started, with reports that the ministers who cycled to work the other day were followed by gardai in empty state cars (question, how were the cars empty if there were gardai in them, or perhaps state cars come in "Knight Rider" mode now ?) Anway, I've no idea how much truth there is in that story - I think the Greens have denied it - but they had better get used to it, because there's a lot more to come I think.

[monutdfc]

Not disagreeing with your opinion TonyD, but just to point out that National Roads was already under the Dept of Transport, all that was moved from Environment to Transport last week was responsibility for non-National roads.

[BohsPartisan]

They are not building a Motorway over the Hill of Tara, its just a road about a mile away. That is about 12-15 football pitches.



The whole valley is a treasure trove, not just the hill. They are actually going right through a henge that was discovered.

[pete]

Good discussion on this on Prime Time last night.

I think the media & the opposition will make life very difficult for the Green Party as they will challenge their decisions against their Election policies.

FF could not have arrange this better as they have given the contentious Ministries to their coalition partners. You've got to respect the mastery behind this or else the stupidity of the electorate. The PDs get hammered at the polls, FF bring them back into government & all criticism of Health privatisation directed at the PDs & FF immune to opposition...

:cool: :rolleyes:

John Bowman informs Dempsey that the old Navan rail line was built in 3 years so asks him how long for the new one. Dempsey says 2015. :eek:

It was suggested that rail lines should be built alongside the new motorway which I agree with as that is common in Europe although probably nor for private toll roads.

[BohsPartisan]

The Canadian Pacific railway only took 4 years to build (1881-1885)
It links Montreal and Vancouver. At this rate the Navan line will take as long as the Trans Siberian.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Good discussion on this on Prime Time last night.

I think the media & the opposition will make life very difficult for the Green Party as they will challenge their decisions against their Election policies.

FF could not have arrange this better as they have given the contentious Ministries to their coalition partners. You've got to respect the mastery behind this or else the stupidity of the electorate. The PDs get hammered at the polls, FF bring them back into government & all criticism of Health privatisation directed at the PDs & FF immune to opposition...


John Bowman informs Dempsey that the old Navan rail line was built in 3 years so asks him how long for the new one. Dempsey says 2015. :eek:

It was suggested that rail lines should be built alongside the new motorway which I agree with as that is common in Europe although probably nor for private toll roads.

I thought last nights primetime was a real eye-opener in regards to the complete lack of any moral backbone within FF. Dempsey was actually laughing at the entire nod'n'wink nature of the relationship with Bev Flynn and the way they've sh1t on their own people in Mayo to get her back on board.

On the upside -I would totally give Sarah Carey one. Mmmmm-Mmmm. She can take my argument apart anytime that suits her.:cool:

[pete]

I thought last nights primetime was a real eye-opener in regards to the complete lack of any moral backbone within FF.


I would never defend the incompetence or underhand dealings of the NRA I just raised above that while people may complain about the decision it was unlikely it was important enough to change votes


On the upside -I would totally give Sarah Carey one. Mmmmm-Mmmm. She can take my argument apart anytime that suits her.:cool:

She likes blue shirts too. :p

[TonyD]

Not disagreeing with your opinion TonyD, but just to point out that National Roads was already under the Dept of Transport, all that was moved from Environment to Transport last week was responsibility for non-National roads.

Fair enough :o That'll teach me to skim newspaper reports. Anyhow, my basic point still stands.

[onceahoop]

It's going to be interesting to see if the Greens try to re-introduce water charges. I believe the EU have a policy of introducing some form of water charges. Can't remember if the Greens have a policy on it.

[pete]

It's going to be interesting to see if the Greens try to re-introduce water charges. I believe the EU have a policy of introducing some form of water charges. Can't remember if the Greens have a policy on it.

Without checking I would guess they would approve of metered water charges.

[BohsPartisan]

Without checking I would guess they would approve of metered water charges.

Quite correct, they do. They support service charges in general.

[pete]

I believe the Green Party would support metered water charges & refuse charges as it reduces the excess use of water & reduces waste.

We can argue how the charges are introduced but IMO its no surprise recycling has increased when waste charges increased. If you get a weekly collection will cost more but every 2 or 3 weeks & could be cheaper.

The programme for government also says we will all have detailed electric meters in our homes in 5 years time.

[Risteard]

This is hilarious. (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/ireland/politics/article2728046.ece)

Can this government last?