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How often does the Eircom League get 20000+ for anything, let alone fairly meaningless games??
Being flippant about their support when it dwarfs our leagues is a bit silly really
The GAA stadium request has nothing to do with the LOI attendances unless Shamrock Rovers were looking for 15-20k all seater stadium i.e. no demand for that size stadium. If they are getting for 21k for semi final with 4 teams I don't think it takes a genius to figure out won't get 20k for a single league game.
On a related point what games would the GAA play in a 6000 capacity stadium in Tallaght? Surely it is too small for Dublin league games? How many games would TD have thousands at? Why would you rent a municipal stadium when your own ground has adequate capacity?
:confused:
Jerry The Saint
19/04/2007, 12:26 PM
I am open to correction but I think the GAA got 29,000 at Croke Park for last weekends Football League Final.
:rolleyes:
24,000 for the Semi-finals.
They got 21,000 for double header hurling semi final at Limerick or Thurles.
Thurles
How many 20,000 crowd games do they think they will get?
Plenty.
Have Dublin GAA ever filled Parnell Park?
Loads of times (incl. for hurling).
Hope this helps! :)
khoop
19/04/2007, 12:51 PM
On a related point what games would the GAA play in a 6000 capacity stadium in Tallaght? Surely it is too small for Dublin league games? How many games would TD have thousands at? Why would you rent a municipal stadium when your own ground has adequate capacity?
I have no idea either regarding which GAA games could/would/should be logically staged there. But I'd bet every last cent that I have, that if Thomas Davis were to get their way, they would be trying to stage at least one match (however meaningless) there every week in order to get more GAA than soccer played there. It's all about petty jealousy, fear and spite - and NOTHING else.
:mad:
Lim till i die
19/04/2007, 1:10 PM
The GAA stadium request has nothing to do with the LOI attendances unless Shamrock Rovers were looking for 15-20k all seater stadium i.e. no demand for that size stadium.
Every bit as much to do with it as this:
I am open to correction but I think the GAA got 29,000 at Croke Park for last weekends Football League Final. They got 21,000 for double header hurling semi final at Limerick or Thurles. How many 20,000 crowd games do they think they will get? Have Dublin GAA ever filled Parnell Park?
.....pretty ill concieved dig at the GAA had to do with anything ;)
If they are getting for 21k for semi final with 4 teams I don't think it takes a genius to figure out won't get 20k for a single league game.
:o
Once again, do your homework pete
I was often at league games with 20000+, I remember a double header in Thurles with over 45000 at it. Plus remember Tyrone against Dublin??
League attendances in the GAA depend on a mixture of who's playing. the hype and the weather
There's plenty of sticks to beat the GAA with pete. As a fellow Eircom League fan may I suggest their attendances isn't one of them ;)
Student Mullet
19/04/2007, 4:59 PM
On a related point what games would the GAA play in a 6000 capacity stadium in Tallaght? Surely it is too small for Dublin league games?If I were John O'Donoghue I'd offer to extend Tallaght to GAA specs if the GAA agree to hold at least 10 or so inter county games there every year.
If the GAA want the stadium I don't see an extra years delay for new planning as that big a deal. If they don't want it (which I suspect to be true) then it should be easy enough to call their bluff.
If I were John O'Donoghue I'd offer to extend Tallaght to GAA specs if the GAA agree to hold at least 10 or so inter county games there every year
Great idea.
In that new Belfield Bowl thing, will the spectators behind the goals also be 30 yards away from the pitch???
Student Mullet
19/04/2007, 6:28 PM
In that new Belfield Bowl thing, will the spectators behind the goals also be 30 yards away from the pitch???No, it's for soccer and rugby only. The main GAA pitch is being done up a little as well but that's seperate.
CollegeTillIDie
19/04/2007, 8:29 PM
I love the hooligans thing. Last weekend a GAA game was abandoned after a massive free for all involving players and spectators in Tyrone. In Derry a referee was manhandled and the visiting team locked in their dressingroom for 50 minutes after the game for their own safety.
They do however do a good job of covering things up and watering them down.
In soccer in some parts of the world the players need to be protected from the spectators. In GAA in some parts of the world the spectators need to be protected from the players :D
CollegeTillIDie
19/04/2007, 8:32 PM
Was in Thurles
How often does the Eircom League get 20000+ for anything, let alone fairly meaningless games??
Being flippant about their support when it dwarfs our leagues is a bit silly really
Dozens during the summer in all fairness
This was 20,000 for two games involving FOUR teams. That's only 10,000 a game (i.e. a Parnell Park load).
Hurling is the only GAA game worth comparison in terms of skill with any of the global codes.
It shows what a bunch of philistines most GAA fans are that more of them don't go to hurling.
Oh and for the record it's official Eircom League gates are up this season :D
No, it's for soccer and rugby only. The main GAA pitch is being done up a little as well but that's seperate.
I despair of students that don't pick up on irony.....
Lim till i die
19/04/2007, 9:24 PM
This was 20,000 for two games involving FOUR teams. That's only 10,000 a game (i.e. a Parnell Park load).
I realise that. I'll half my figure. Tragically enough my point still stands ;)
Hurling is the only GAA game worth comparison in terms of skill with any of the global codes.
It shows what a bunch of philistines most GAA fans are that more of them don't go to hurling.
Couldn't agree more. You only have to look at the counties who thrive in gaelic football to realise it's for the uncivilised :p
Oh and for the record it's official Eircom League gates are up this season
I'm glad to hear it
Mooooneeeey, Mooooooooneeeeeeey, Moooooooneeeeeey :D
HulaHoop
19/04/2007, 9:28 PM
Couple of great articles in the tabloids today
Keely lays into Davis
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1942-22_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1943-56_edited.jpg
McCadden in The Star with a fine piece criticising the GAA
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/b_uzz/rovers_star.jpg
DmanDmythDledge
19/04/2007, 9:59 PM
Couple of great articles in the tabloids today
Keely lays into Davis
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1942-22_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1943-56_edited.jpg
McCadden in The Star with a fine piece criticising the GAA
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/b_uzz/rovers_star.jpg
Great articles.
McCadden highlights a very interesting point.
Lots of GAA grounds up and down the country are built on Council owned land.
I'm sure the lads down in Killarney will thank TD when someone looks to play Rugby there, or City look to play soccer in Pairc Ui Chaoimh
Dublin v Tyrone was once off floodlight event which filled Croke Park so obviously that would not be held in a 20,000 all seater stadium. As the GAA are looking for this to be built in Dublin I presume only Dublin League games would be played there as its too small for Championship games?
Galway v Mayo could have been played in the small stadium but would that mean Croke Park built at huge cost would be idle...?
The GAA obviously don't do logic. First they want to play Dublin League games in Tallaght (6k capacity) but now they think need for 20,000 capacity stadium. If Dublin League crowds can fit into Tallaght then surely they need their own 6,000 capacity ground?
:confused:
I know LOI attendances are low (clubs do have 20-30 home games a season though) which is why we don't ask the government to build us large stadiums we can't fill.
Dr.Nightdub
19/04/2007, 11:31 PM
Super article by McCadden - great to see journos standing up FOR the League.
Jerry The Saint
20/04/2007, 9:43 AM
Dublin v Tyrone was once off floodlight event which filled Croke Park so obviously that would not be held in a 20,000 all seater stadium. As the GAA are looking for this to be built in Dublin I presume only Dublin League games would be played there as its too small for Championship games?
Galway v Mayo could have been played in the small stadium but would that mean Croke Park built at huge cost would be idle...?
The GAA obviously don't do logic. First they want to play Dublin League games in Tallaght (6k capacity) but now they think need for 20,000 capacity stadium. If Dublin League crowds can fit into Tallaght then surely they need their own 6,000 capacity ground?
:confused:
The major Dublin club games all have to be played in Parnell Park as there isn't a southside stadium capable of hosting them. These, along with some county league games would have been earmarked for the smaller 6k Southside stadium (Rathcoole?) for which there is a very real need, according to many. It just doesn't necessarily have to be in Tallaght.
There are many occasions where a 20-25,000 capacity stadium in the Dublin region would be ideal for GAA games - the very examples you gave of league play-offs (more in Croke Park tomorrow night), qualifier-round matches, club finals, women's gaelic football/camogie, etc. Yes, Croke Park would be idle as you put it - it would be idle if the games were in Thurles, Clones, wherever.
It's often been pointed out that the costs of opening a huge stadium are prohibitively expensive for sub 30,000 crowds in the long-run so it makes sense for the GAA to avail of a smaller stadium if the Government is willing to pay for one. I don't get where you're going with this arguement because from a GAA point-of-view the 'logic' (use of taxpayer-funded stadiums with no risk to themselves) is flawless.
gspain
20/04/2007, 9:52 AM
It's an open secret rhe FAI are trying to build a small 10,000 seater stadium in Abbottstown. This is the GAA's attept to hijack that. They probably need to ban a few more government ministers
gspain
20/04/2007, 9:54 AM
Couple of great articles in the tabloids today
Keely lays into Davis
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1942-22_edited.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1943-56_edited.jpg
McCadden in The Star with a fine piece criticising the GAA
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/b_uzz/rovers_star.jpg
Great articles. About time too.
Wow the "broken glass spreaders" being criticised in national newspapers. that's a first.
These comments are not intended to be directed at any one individual but always surprised so many closet GAA fans on foot.ie - i thought this was refuge...
Réiteoir
20/04/2007, 11:45 AM
From the SRFC Forum:
Basically the piece in today's Daily Mail claims the SDDC have frozen funds to at least 3 CLG clubs until the outcome of the JR. It effects St Mark & TD's in Tallaght & Lucan Sarsfields. They need money to develop training pitches, then they can extend leases.
Apparently another GAA club in Tallaght have told Thomas Davis' to go off and do one... :D
paudie
20/04/2007, 12:29 PM
From the SRFC Forum:
Basically the piece in today's Daily Mail claims the SDDC have frozen funds to at least 3 CLG clubs until the outcome of the JR. It effects St Mark & TD's in Tallaght & Lucan Sarsfields. They need money to develop training pitches, then they can extend leases.
Apparently another GAA club in Tallaght have told Thomas Davis' to go off and do one... :D
Not sure if that's wise by SDCC.
If these clubs are entitled to money the fact another club are in legals with SDCC insn't really relevant.
Better off playing this straight.
gspain
20/04/2007, 12:53 PM
Not sure if that's wise by SDCC.
If these clubs are entitled to money the fact another club are in legals with SDCC insn't really relevant.
Better off playing this straight.
No problem with holding any money due to Thomas Bigots. However some of the other clubs have dropped the bigots like a hot potato (admittedly when they wanted cash for the court case). Some are quite upset at what is happening too. They seem to have the deluded idea that they should be promoting their own sports instead of trying to kill football clubs.
bigmac
20/04/2007, 12:54 PM
Not sure if that's wise by SDCC.
If these clubs are entitled to money the fact another club are in legals with SDCC insn't really relevant.
Better off playing this straight.
I think it's a fair enough move - if the GAA win the Tallaght battle, then I can see a situation whereby all new grounds that receive funding do so on a municipal basis. SDCC aren't going to fund grounds exclusively for GAA clubs and grounds that are for everybody including GAA clubs. Therefore they're waiting to see the outcome of the present case. Ironically, if TD win, it could spell the end of GAA only grounds in the area.
OneRedArmy
20/04/2007, 12:55 PM
Not sure if that's wise by SDCC.
If these clubs are entitled to money the fact another club are in legals with SDCC insn't really relevant.
Better off playing this straight.The GAA at county and national level has rolled in behind TDs, so all bets are off regarding other grants.
Additionally, the JR may have the effect of altering how SDCC allocates sports funding going forward, so it is prudent to wait until clarity is provided.
monutdfc
20/04/2007, 12:57 PM
But afaik most grants are awarded at national level by the Department through the Sports Council. Very few grants would be through SDCC or any other CC for that matter.
WeAreRovers
20/04/2007, 1:30 PM
It's not a ploy by SDCC it's on legal advice. If TD are successful then every single local authority-funded development is up for grabs. SDCC have been told not to fund anything in the interim. Hence Lucan Sarsfields and St Marks' cash being put on hold.
So ironically enough TD's actions are now hurting their GAA comrades as well as stopping local kids from playing their games in Tallaght Municipal Stadium. How pig-headed can you get?
KOH
OneRedArmy
20/04/2007, 1:49 PM
How pig-headed can you get?Banning your members from playing other sports and setting up committees to monitor and enforce this and ostracise those that were found "guilty"?
The sheer arrogance of TD/DK is unbelieveable at this stage, in the high court today they fought vigorously to have their legal costs to date passed on with SDCC & SRFC expected to pay them!!!
Not only are they trying to stop the stop SRFC getting into Tallaght they now want us to pay them to do it as well!!!!!:eek: Staggering arrogance to say the least!!
Koh
charliesboots
20/04/2007, 1:57 PM
The sheer arrogance of TD/DK is unbelieveable at this stage, in the high court today they fought vigorously to have their legal costs to date passed on with SDCC & SRFC expected to pay them!!!
Not only are they trying to stop the stop SRFC getting into Tallaght they now want us to pay them to do it as well!!!!!:eek: Staggering arrogance to say the least!!
Koh
Asked this before and didn't get a reply but who are counsel for TD and SDCC respectively?
NY Hoop
20/04/2007, 2:09 PM
Asked this before and didn't get a reply but who are counsel for TD and SDCC respectively?
Council for SDCC last time was ex Mayo player Dermot Flanagan. The bigots' SC was Robert Barron.
KOH
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