The Sopranos

[Dodge]

Also, once again brilliant use of music, as has been the way throughout the series.

Couldn't agree more.

[OwlsFan]

Yep, Paulie is an interesting character but for pure badness, including the actual face of the actor, it has to be Ritchie Aprile.

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/cast/character/richie_aprile.shtml

Pure evil.

My favourite character was probably Tony's mum. She was a hoot:

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/cast/character/livia_soprano.shtml

[Dodge]

Paulie and Sil for me.

Ralphie was great too.

Tony's mother was probably the most interesting at the start. Shame the actress passed away.

Just watched the Pine Barrens episode last week. Still as funny as when I first watched it

[strangeirish]

NSFW
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:D"Oh, again wit de knife"

[The Good Son]

Though the best incident with him was when he and Chrissy got lost in the woods and spent the night in a van. Classic stuff.
I had to do a search for what I thought were some of the best lines in the series from that episode, Paulie and Chris are after leaving the Russian they thought was dead get away. Paulie gives Tony the bad news on the phone, the reception isn't the best so, possibly Paulie doesn't hear his reply, that the Russian worked for the Ministry of The Interior and killed 16 Chechans single handed properly, (I'd prefer to think he heard him perfectly well and just got it wrong).

Paulie "You're not gonna believe this. He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator"
Chris "Really? His house looked like s***"

[Anto McC]

But the whole point of that ending is that there are always going to be stories that don't have an ending. Listen to the Journey lyrics... "Some will win, Some will lose... but the movie goes on and on and on.."

I watched it a few weeks ago and then read all manner of ****e from US fans who were crying that there wasn't a mass bloodfest. Teenagers mostly. Chase is making the point that with real life gangsters (and real life people), some **** has a final definite answer, some **** doesn't. Tony has to live his life checking out everybody in a****ty restaurent thinking that anyone of them could be coming to kill him for all that unfinished business...

Agree 100% with Dodge and what a choice for the final song. Leave it at that,although it should be noted that the man in the restaurant who went to the bathroom shortly before the screen turned black is in the credits as Phil Leotardo's nephew ;):eek:

[superfrank]

Agree 100% with Dodge and what a choice for the final song. Leave it at that,although it should be noted that the man in the restaurant who went to the bathroom shortly before the screen turned black is in the credits as Phil Leotardo's nephew ;):eek:
Are you sure? I don't think Tony would've been so passive with Leotardo's nephew.

[Anto McC]

Why do you assume he would have known him?

[sligoman]

The music at the end, who's the artist and title?

[strangeirish]

The music at the end, who's the artist and title?
Journey's 'Don't stop Believin'

A bit before your time Sligoman?

[Jerry The Saint]

I had to do a search for what I thought were some of the best lines in the series from that episode, Paulie and Chris are after leaving the Russian they thought was dead get away. Paulie gives Tony the bad news on the phone, the reception isn't the best so, possibly Paulie doesn't hear his reply, that the Russian worked for the Ministry of The Interior and killed 16 Chechans single handed properly, (I'd prefer to think he heard him perfectly well and just got it wrong).

Paulie "You're not gonna believe this. He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator"
Chris "Really? His house looked like s***"

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That's what killed the dinosaurs.

Wasn't that a meteor?

They was all meat-eaters!


Little Carmine was great for those as well.


How did it get to this? We're in a f***in' stagmire!


Wonder if AJ will turn out as another idiot son of the former boss who can't speak properly (you think they were making a subtle statement about someone in real life?;)). Anthony Jr. is a big fan of the poetry of "Yeets".


I don't know what your point is. You're all over the place.

[sligoman]

Journey's 'Don't stop Believin'

A bit before your time Sligoman?Slightly:D. Great song though. Downloading it now.

[superfrank]

Why do you assume he would have known him?
If it was Leotardo's nephew. I think he'd have a fair idea about his nephews and nieces and cousins and crap.

[dahamsta]

it should be noted that the man in the restaurant who went to the bathroom shortly before the screen turned black is in the credits as Phil Leotardo's nephewhttp://testpattern.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/27/244972.aspx

adam

[Anto McC]

http://testpattern.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/27/244972.aspx

adam

:o:o:o

[Torn-Ado]

The best song on the Sopranos is the one in series six when Tony was Kevin Finnerty and sitting on the end of the bed at the end of the programme.

Greta song.

[superfrank]

I just had a look on iTunes Store there and surprise, surprise Don't Stop Believin' is the number one download. :eek:

[Dodge]

If anybody wants it PM me

(see the secret shame thread in music ;) )

[Anto McC]

I just had a look on iTunes Store there and surprise, surprise Don't Stop Believin' is the number one download. :eek:

You can thank Today FM DJ, Ray Foley for that.

[OwlsFan]

There was an article in the Sunday Indo about the ending and the director said there was a clue to what happened. Perhaps that bit in the credits about the man in the cafe being described as Phil's cousin or whatever might have been the clue.

[dahamsta]

See post #114.

[citizenerased]

actual ending...............

He was killed....
>
>In fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
>just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
>and have the memory of a champ to remember it all.
>
>The ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell you why and
explain
>in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
>Tony.....
>
>The two black guys, they were paid before to kill Tony but he was only
shot
>in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons, also in the earlier

>seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar stool, who the camera
kept
>focusing in on, is Nikki Leotardo, Phil Leotardo's nephew, he was in
one of
>the early season episodes where Phil and Tony have a sit down....
>
>Here's where the genius comes in....
>
>When Tony's walking in the diner, you see the camera focus on him, then
it
>switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the empty booth
he's
>about to sit at...
>
>Then the camera switches back to Tony's face, then it once again
switches
>to his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @
the
>people come in...
>Every time the door opens the Chimes sound...
>Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in, Chimes, this is when Meadows
>parallel parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
>
>At this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
>bathroom......
>
>Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running
in
>the diner....
>
>The doors about to open, Tony looks up....
>
>And No Chimes......................
>
>No Music...........................
>
>Everything just goes black.........
>
>In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, Tony's talking with bobby

>about what it must feel like to die..
>
>Bobby says "at the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything
just
>goes black"
>
>Part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the
last
>seconds of it, when Tony's about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
>memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably don't hear
anything
>everything just goes black".
>
>So...in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
>sounded but when Meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out
and
>killed Tony...
>
>It's the reason you didn't hear, or see ANYthing when he died.... it
was
>from Tony's perspective.... and everything went black & no sound...then
the
>credits rolled.

[joeSoap]

Interesting.....

[dahamsta]

It has to be true, I read it in an unattributed, forwarded post on t'internet! ;)

[Neish]

actual ending..............


Ch**st! Some theroy

[OwlsFan]

Could he not be unconscious :p ?

[Jerry The Saint]

actual ending...............

He was killed....
>


From the link in the post right before this post:eek:


"I made it intentionally ridiculous. I picked the name 'Nicky' because there was a Nicky in Casino and I think in GoodFellas, but I spelled it 'Nikki' just to make it even sillier," says Christopher Swenson, who claims authorship of the email that started it all.

Have to say, I did look through the credits at the end to see if anyone familiar was in the diner.

Anyway, it was the Feds walking in the door to put Tony away after the undercover guy called them from the bathroom to confirm. If you don't believe me I can make something up and put it on the Internets. :p

[Torn-Ado]

actual ending...............That seems feasible. I think I'll go with that.

[Marked Man]

actual ending...............

>The two black guys, they were paid before to kill Tony but he was only
shot
>in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons, also in the earlier

>seasons, .

Not having seen that episode in ages, I'm not confident about this, but didn't Tony kill one of those two black guys in the botched hit?

[Risteard]

Why would he need to hide the gun in the toilets?

[gilberto_eire]

you can say thats how it actually happened but in truth the only person who knows is david chase and he's not saying anything

Chases tight lip along with what happens at the end leave only one solution its make up your own mind...which in fact everyone has done.

if tony had been killed or just a normal ending took place that talking would have ended by now, but instead we were given this ending to all make up our minds and are all given the chance to end the show as we wanted to ourselves using our imagination!.

there is no ending simple as....or else Chase would have said something by now!!

EDIT: have just re-watched the ending and your theory has a hole the door does chime just before it goes black!

[gilberto_eire]

What makes you think he knows what happens after it went black?

well because he writes it(along with one or two others)??...no??
if he was the write tony getting shot..would that not have been the ending??. so wouldnt his views on it be most accurate as its his work?.

[Marked Man]

well because he writes it(along with one or two others)??...no??
if he was the write tony getting shot..would that not have been the ending??. so wouldnt his views on it be most accurate as its his work?.

But fictional characters don't have existence outside of what their author writes (or definitively implies) about them. Nothing is true, for example, about how Leopold and Molly Bloom get on the next day--regardless of anything Joyce might have played around with in his mind. Likewise, nothing is true of what Hamlet had for breakfast on his last day.
Similarly, all that is definitively true of the characters in the Sopranos is what was written and produced. Nothing else (unless of course, there turns out to be more episodes). So, David Chase may or may not have his views about what really happened after the screen went blank, but if he does that doesn't mean that what he imagines happens would therefore be what really happened (assuming that there are no definitive clues that he placed in order to establish that something really happened).

[citizenerased]

lads it was just a mail i got yesterday not actually my theory..i find it interesting enough to be honest, im sure there are loads of holes in it though

[Neish]

Why would he need to hide the gun in the toilets?

Havn't you seen the Godfather?

[Calcio Jack]

Havn't you seen the Godfather?

The difference was that in the G/father Pacino knew he was going to be searched...so they had to find a way of making a gun available to him.. thus it was hidden in the jacks.... there was no need for the guy at the counter to hide a gun in that manner.

[Jerry The Saint]

The difference was that in the G/father Pacino knew he was going to be searched...so they had to find a way of making a gun available to him.. thus it was hidden in the jacks.... there was no need for the guy at the counter to hide a gun in that manner.

And there was no need for Tony to peel an orange earlier in the episode. Chase knows his audience and knows that these references all help to ratchet up the tension of the last scene/episode (and indeed the whole last season which I thought brilliantly built up the looming mob war and Tony's loss of faith in his friends/crew).

Anyone notice the episode shown on Channel 6 last night?



Over the last couple of years I been doin' a lot of thinkin'. My uncle definitely snapped it into focus. What's he, 72 years old? What's he got? ****in' ****ty house in belleville and a bunch of legal bills that'd make you gargle drano if you had em.

We saw Tony's reaction to Junior's further downward spiral in the second-last scene of the series.


Well, I analyzed it. There's two endings for a guy like me. High-profile guy. Dead, or in the can. Big percent of the time...

There's a third way to wrap it up. You rely only on family. You trust only blood. A friend of mine, guy whose name you wouldn't know. Stayed out of the can and in charge, livin' in florida till he was 81 years old, 'cause he only gave orders through his son. No other conversations that could come back in testimony.

His son?

No, no, not A.J. What I've been dealt is my nephew. He's gotten his act together, the kid. And over the last couple of months I started the process of bonding him to me inseparably.

Didn't your uncle do that with you ? You said his life is like a desert.

42, I'm already more successful than my uncle ever was. You seen my house.


Christopher was Tony's biggest disappointment. He then switched to Bobby as the family he could rely on. Who was left alive and active of his crew - Carlo, who already flipped, and Paulie who he no longer likes and I doubt trusts?

[Risteard]

Havn't you seen the Godfather?

Yes, Neish.
+
What Calcio said.

It would be a bit indulgent if it was made out that he definitely went in to get a hidden gun.
Why would he need to?
But it isn't.

Just playing with the audience.

[citizenerased]

did anyone here recognise the foock up in the casting in the sopranos....Vito who was killed in season 6, appeared in season 1 as teh guy who was in a bakery when chris shot the shop assisant in the shop...

[gilberto_eire]

did anyone here recognise the foock up in the casting in the sopranos....Vito who was killed in season 6, appeared in season 1 as teh guy who was in a bakery when chris shot the shop assisant in the shop...

ya anyone who went back and re-watched it should have recognised it, its weird the way he gets a walk-on then comes back to get a good role!!!. i noticed that a few mths ago and my friend just mentioned it a week or two ago!!.:)

[shakermaker1982]

the UK finally screened the last series Sunday night and I'm still in shock. I've also gone and ordered the DVD box set series 1 to start all over again.

Paulie and Chris were the best two characters and always had me in stitches, cannot believe you guys were able to watch this over the summer whilst the UK had to wait till the end of October. Bloody E4! From what I've been reading the yanks actually managed to shut down the HBO website the night it was screened because they wanted a definitive 'ending'. How I'd love to see a movie to finish it off. Maybe 3 or 4 years down the line with Paulie as Tony's right hand man!

[paul_oshea]

i never got into it.

[shakermaker1982]

Paul - go down to the local DVD shop (or online) and buy series 1!!!! I just bought series 1 for 18 quid from HMV. Worth every penny. Only thing I'd rate as its equal on tv is the Wire

[TonyD]

Only thing I'd rate as its equal on tv is the Wire

In my opinion, the Wire is better. It kicks the ass of any TV series I've ever seen. It's magnificence knows no bounds. (I quite like it;))

[OwlsFan]

Paul - go down to the local DVD shop (or online) and buy series 1!!!! I just bought series 1 for 18 quid from HMV. Worth every penny. Only thing I'd rate as its equal on tv is the Wire

I have the whole series (apart from the last which isn't out on dvd yet) and watched them with the wife from start to finish and we're on the third viewing now. Absolute classic series, although the dreams sequence was the only bit I found boring.

[Anto McC]

By the way i don't know if anyone read recently and i can't be arsed to find any kind of article online but David Chase recently revealed, in an interview, that Tony wasn't killed in the last scene.

[jebus]

By the way i don't know if anyone read recently and i can't be arsed to find any kind of article online but David Chase recently revealed, in an interview, that Tony wasn't killed in the last scene.

Read that alright, didn't think he needed to say one way or the other to be honest as I thought the ending was fantastic. Hope they don't bring it back for a movie or new series

[beautifulrock]

i never got into it.

useful input Paul:p, it is some show, great plots, fantastic sub plots and amazing actors

[OwlsFan]

By the way i don't know if anyone read recently and i can't be arsed to find any kind of article online but David Chase recently revealed, in an interview, that Tony wasn't killed in the last scene.

Well since there isn't the next series (yet), he can say anything. He obviously wasn't killed in the last scene because he wasn't. It's left to the imagination to decide what happened afterwards but because it's only tv, you can decide if there is no next series.

[shakermaker1982]

I read that Chase wanted no credits at the end of the episode just that blank screen but the writers guild wouldn't allow him!