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[Sheridan]

I see the Bohemians are playing "Galway United" this weekend and Cork are away in a place called Bray. Anyone know if either of these clubs have Irish connections, as I may consider attending if so? :confused:

[stampp]

Roy Keane Cork ...Cork people Roy keane big love in there. I wouldnt be shocked if someone said it was sold out now.


Tho should be Homecoming tour :D

kdjac

Ah. Aye - should be a bit of a party. If I had any money I'd get over myself - a few years since I was in Cork.

[pineapple stu]

I see the Bohemians are playing "Galway United" this weekend and Cork are away in a place called Bray. Anyone know if either of these clubs have Irish connections, as I may consider attending if so? :confused:
I hear Galway have a player from St Vincent, so I think they are from St Vincent.

[superfrank]

how do cork/bohs/galway fans feel about playing friendlies mid season?
I know we do it a lot during the summer. They are great little money-makers. Unfortunately, nowadays football is a business.

[BohsPartisan]

Also I am up in Dublin for work on 11th May. Was thinking catching a game. Lets hope Bohs are not playing cos it very obvious im not welcome there!

I only have one more thing to say on this issue. I went to browse the Bohs site to see what the club actually stands for cos I have gotten a very dark picture of it from this thread.

You will not believe what is on the index page.

Comments are very welcome on this one (http://www.bohemian-fc.com/home/club_news/)

You're more than welcome at Dalyer reder. Think we're at home to either UCD or Longford on that date anyway.

[Lim till i die]

You have to bear in mind that the reason why soccer clubs in places such as Sunderland, Sheffield, Blackburn, etc get huge crowds to games is because these cities are provincial dreary ****holes and the local football club is often all there is to do.

Now compare that with Dublin which is a major European capital city, extremely wealthy and the citizens have at their feet world class cultural, entertainment, recreational opertunities and earn the kind of salaries which would be way above what the average person in Sunderland would even dream about and Dubliners can hop of a RyanAir flight at Dublin Airport and spend it anywhere in Europe.

If you live in a depressing cold regional UK city were the height of local culture is either attending a BNP rally or having a chip butty, then your local soccer club would be a huge draw compare to what little else in on offer locally.

I am not trolling, this is how it is. Have you ever been to Sunderland! Makes Limerick City look like Barcelona.

Wow, a whole post of 100% solid garbage

Well done :rolleyes:

[reder]

The price for tickets at the SOL is £19 in the corners and £24 in the main stands. Since the average home gate is over 30,000 this year and the last match had over 40,000, I'd hesitate to guess the prices are NOT beyond the reach of the local fans!


Have to give you on that one. Fair play to Quinn & co. Certainly make the games accessible for locals. Very rare the level of ticket price in the uk for a big club I can tell you. But Blackburn etc charge £35 -ish for category A game which would be very expensive if a da or was taking the kids along as well every game. Bolton (down the road from Blackburn) charge £39 and £42 for a category A game and there are always plenty of spare seats cos its way outside the reach of the locals.

Wigan charge £30 but the stadium is half empty for a completely different reason.

[pete]

I have never liked friendlies.

City v Sunderland is being run by the MFA and revenue used to pay for new turnstiles. Ticket prices will not be increased if at all.

For CCFC friendlies we should charge as much as can get away with fleece the barstoolers as only opportunity to get money off them. I don't think people attending a friendly have any interest in the LOI side & few if any will ever even think of returning until next big name friendly.

[tetsujin1979]

I have never liked friendlies.

City v Sunderland is being run by the MFA and revenue used to pay for new turnstiles. Ticket prices will not be increased if at all.

For CCFC friendlies we should charge as much as can get away with fleece the barstoolers as only opportunity to get money off them. I don't think people attending a friendly have any interest in the LOI side & few if any will ever even think of returning until next big name friendly.

Wouldn't charging as much as you can alienate the real fans?

[Risteard]

Well, I'm not even going.
Whatever about the Reading match, City were merely invited to fulfil the Turners Cross fixture v SundIreland.
I'd doubt if any of the senior team play in that.

[dcfcsteve]

Absolutely and I'm not saying otherwise.

I originally just wanted to point out why some of the investors may have invested before Steve went off on one.

You raised their involevement in a negative/cynical manner.

I see nothing negative about the involvement of property developers in a football club, when they want to develop derelict land adjacent to the stadium. Why the need to frame that in negative/cynical terms...? :confused:

[charliesboots]

You raised their involevement in a negative/cynical manner.

I see nothing negative about the involvement of property developers in a football club, when they want to develop derelict land adjacent to the stadium. Why the need to frame that in negative/cynical terms...? :confused:

How so?

I wa merely pointing out that the consortium didn't invest as they were Niall's buddies and he has an undying love of the club.

Changing the goalposts a little Steve after being shown up?

[dcfcsteve]

How so?

I wa merely pointing out that the consortium didn't invest as they were Niall's buddies and he has an undying love of the club.

Changing the goalposts a little Steve after being shown up?

Given your track record of cynicism, I think I could be forgiven for suspecting it again when you make such a post....

[pete]

Wouldn't charging as much as you can alienate the real fans?

Slightly different situation when we had Celtic match a few seasons ago & the visitors were charging large fee to play so prices were hiked up & majority of attendees were Celtic fans.

Real fans will skip friendlies & let barstoolers play over the odds as its cheaper than flying to the UK to see their heros.

[NY Hoop]

You have to bear in mind that the reason why soccer clubs in places such as Sunderland, Sheffield, Blackburn, etc get huge crowds to games is because these cities are provincial dreary ****holes and the local football club is often all there is to do.

Now compare that with Dublin which is a major European capital city, extremely wealthy and the citizens have at their feet world class cultural, entertainment, recreational opertunities and earn the kind of salaries which would be way above what the average person in Sunderland would even dream about and Dubliners can hop of a RyanAir flight at Dublin Airport and spend it anywhere in Europe.

If you live in a depressing cold regional UK city were the height of local culture is either attending a BNP rally or having a chip butty, then your local soccer club would be a huge draw compare to what little else in on offer locally.

I am not trolling, this is how it is. Have you ever been to Sunderland! Makes Limerick City look like Barcelona.


LMAO!:D

KOH

[NY Hoop]

I have never liked friendlies.

City v Sunderland is being run by the MFA and revenue used to pay for new turnstiles. Ticket prices will not be increased if at all.

For CCFC friendlies we should charge as much as can get away with fleece the barstoolers as only opportunity to get money off them. I don't think people attending a friendly have any interest in the LOI side & few if any will ever even think of returning until next big name friendly.

Spot on. Fleece the barstoolers they wouldnt know the difference anyway. Know a Galway fan who is not going on August 1 cos of them.

KOH

[charliesboots]

Given your track record of cynicism, I think I could be forgiven for suspecting it again when you make such a post....

WTF are you talking about my "track record for cynicism"? Steve you jumped to a conclusion (while claiming I was making assumptions) and got it wrong, simple as.

[Raheny Red]

We played Sunderland last summer before the band wagon gathered pace and there was a poor crowd at the game. Should be a completely different story this round :rolleyes:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ht5GnEQbun8

[BohDiddley]

There seems to be a reaction from those who might crudely be called 'pro Sunderland/English football' that it is cynical and negative to question the activities of the Quinn consortium and SAFC. I think some might choose to deliberately misunderstand, the better to label all eL supporters as bitter malcontents, but it could also be that there is a genuine misinterpretation here.
There is no reason for even the most diehard eL fan to have any problem with Sunderland, or with Niall Quinn, or with Sunderland supporters insofar as their activities relate to England. In fact, if they do make it back to the EPL, it will have been an amazing achievement, and club and fans alike should be congratulated.
What is problematic is Quinn's trying to have it both ways, running a sustained and deliberate marketing campaign aimed at drawing badly-needed resources out of Irish football, at a time when the game here is trying to recover from decades of damage, and at the same time attempting to retain credibility as a champion of the domestic game, taking out show-membership in SRFC and calling for more investment in Irish football.
The sports media here have long bought into the EPL, and aren't going to question the SundIreland circus. But it is perfectly valid for people who care about the game here to question Quinn's motivation. Lots of people invest in British football. But they don't ask eL fans to like them at the same time.
As for Bohs having a friendly with Sunderland, and the invitation to comment on that, I can see no contradiction. Sunderland and their fans obviously are more than welcome, and I'm sure the club appreciates the boost in profile that they will bring. The bizarre part is that, if Quinn and co. succeed in turning their club into a mini-Celtic/L'pool/ManU, there could be more English shirt-wearing Irish fans there than either Bohs or genuine Sunderland supporters. And that's just daft.
Imagine a Sunderland friendly with Real Madrid, with more white shirts in evidence, and the Real-lovers telling all and sundry that the Spanish game is vastly superior and dismissing the home support as weirdos. From my knowledge of Sunderland folk, who seem honest, straight-talking, and with little time for bull****, somehow I don't think that'd wash over there.

[BohsPartisan]

I don't normally post things like "Excellent Post" but that was an excellent post.

[sonofstan]

Seconded on BD's post- and Sunderland is a grand place. The idea that Dublin is Paris/ Amsterdam and Barcelona rolled into one and northern English towns are all straight out of Saturday Night/ Sunday Morning is daft. Nothing declares us as still provincial quite so much as our insistence that we're not provincial.

[BohsPartisan]

Plus BSG is just wumming which is all he comes on here for.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Wouldn't charging as much as you can alienate the real fans?
Let anyone with season ticket in at the normal price and charge higher for the rest.

[GavinZac]

We played Sunderland last summer before the band wagon gathered pace and there was a poor crowd at the game. Should be a completely different story this round :rolleyes:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ht5GnEQbun8

You played them a good few years ago aswell. Tony Cotton, ex Man Utd was there. Thats pretty much my only lasting memory of the game.

[Demoshield]

Let anyone with season ticket in at the normal price and charge higher for the rest.
GUFC season ticket always covers all friendlies but St.Niall has decided that if our season ticket holders get in free he wants 1000 free tickets for Sunderland season ticket holders. Sunderland are being paid to play in Galway, this does not give Quinn the right to tell GUFC how to run the club.Should be told to F_ _k off!

[Conor H]

Why?

GUFC are well aware of what they're doing here.

As said in this thread this game is the perfect oppurtunity to fleece the barstoolers which is exactly what UTD are doing.

Sunderland are bringing a 1000 fans.The game is on Race week....therefore half the Country will be in Galway as it is.
I'll be at the game but more than likely selling UTD gear,Lotto Tickets and GUST membership.The spill over effects from this game for UTD are huge.
Also TC will be able to spend now in July.:)

[dcfcsteve]

WTF are you talking about my "track record for cynicism"? Steve you jumped to a conclusion (while claiming I was making assumptions) and got it wrong, simple as.

Yes I got it wrong. Yes you have a track record of cynicism. Yes, the former was influenced by the latter.

[dcfcsteve]

Seconded on BD's post- and Sunderland is a grand place. The idea that Dublin is Paris/ Amsterdam and Barcelona rolled into one and northern English towns are all straight out of Saturday Night/ Sunday Morning is daft. Nothing declares us as still provincial quite so much as our insistence that we're not provincial.

Dublin ain't Barcelona. But Sunderland ain't a grand place either to be fair.

It's just alright. There's not much to see or do there, and the nightlife is poor and unvaried in my opinion. You certainly wouldn't go there for a weekend, and I suspect that any SundIreland fans who travel over regularly would spend more of any weekend in Newcastle than on Wear-side. It's only a small step above Middlesborough, which is certainly no accolade.

Regardless BSG is still a WUM.

[gspain]

Sell the tickets in the ground before a home game.

[Conor H]

Tickets can only be purchased at Terryland.

They'll be on sale at a less attractive game like UCD AFAIK.

[reder]

Tickets can only be purchased at Terryland.

They'll be on sale at a less attractive game like UCD AFAIK.

Exactly the way to do it. Also charging people €30 per ticket is not fleecing them. You pay €70+ for tickets to a gig.

Btw, this thread completely contradicts whats posted in the thread about Quinn attracting irish fans to Sunderland.

[osarusan]

Has everybody also forgotten that Sunderland are managed by a traitor?

He deserves no respect from any Irish soccer person.

There is no other country in the world were the top player throws a girlie hissy-fit and walks out on the team and the nation on the eve of the World Cup finals and is forgiven. Only in Ireland! I will never forget being at the last Switzerland match with Mick McCarthy and all these retards chanting "KEANO" when we were 1-0 down and they were not all Irish Man U primates "supporting" Ireland either. Shocking.

This is such a screwball country when it comes to soccer. Mick McCarthy is more of an Irishman than Keano will ever be.

I will welcome Sunderland supporters to Dalymount, but not Keane. That drama queen is not welcome in "home of Irish football". Keane's very presence is an insult to the hundreds of Irish footballers who wore the green jersey in that stadium for almost 100 years and played their hearts out for their country because they were honoured to do so. Many of them were delighted to do it for almost nothing and in most cases not a hope in hell of ever qualifying for a major competition. The Saipan Drama Queen standing on the grass at Dalymount is repulsive to me as I know what a real Irish footballer is like and he ain't it.

Call me what you will, but I shall be chanting "KEANO IS A TRAITOR!" at the top of my lungs for 90 mins.


Another literary classic from Bohs so Good. Off-topic, rambling, and of course, nonsense.

I am an Irish football person, and I respect him. Not for everything, but he deserves respect.

He is far more Irish then Mick McCarthy, in any way you want to propose are criterion.

What is a "real Irish footballer" is your opinion?

[BohDiddley]

What is a "real Irish footballer" is your opinion?
Kevin Hunt ;)

[reder]

He is far more Irish then Mick McCarthy, in any way you want to propose are criterion.


Can you expand on this please. I would love to know what makes him "more Irish" than Mc Carthy.

[Réiteoir]

Can you expand on this please. I would love to know what makes him "more Irish" than Mc Carthy.

I wouldn't go down this path to be perfectly honest - it'll result in nothing but trouble, thread lockings and cardings.

Mark my words...

[Réiteoir]

OK - this is being reopened after I've sifted out all the rubbish.

One person has already got a 7 day binning on the back of this - and another is probably gonna get carded too.

Don't say we didn't warn you...

[jebus]

Last word from me on this, unless you were born here, or were moved here before you could fully formulate memories you are not Irish.

Connolly's a tough one, considering he was born to Irish parents, and lived in an Irish district, but I'd still call him Scottish

Dev I'd consider to be Irish since he was only three (I think) when he was moved here

McCarthy isn't Irish, he was a good player for Ireland but he's as much Irish as Gazza is.

Lets not start this Little Ireland ******** here again though, I'm only saying what I think qualifies you to be 'Irish' (whatever that means), this has nothing to do with Saipan, Roy Keane or anything else

[Réiteoir]

OK - that's the last word on that particular facet.

Now - back to the football...

[stampp]

Btw, this thread completely contradicts whats posted in the thread about Quinn attracting irish fans to Sunderland.

How's that?

[kdjaC]

How's that?

Think we meant to hate Sunderland or Quinn, not sure when the revolution is but.


We played Sunderland in mid 90s, mental session went to a game over there with some of the fans we met, cracking night both times. But now i hate them :p


kdjac

[kingdom hoop]

I was, as you can imagine, pretty amazed when I saw the following on my college e-noticeboard;

Sunderland FC Survey

My name is Derek Angove. I am a full time MBA student at the Michael Smurfit School of Business and I am currently engaged in a brand equity study for the Sunderland Football Club. As part of my research I am conducting a survey that seeks to discover the Irish sentiment towards Sunderland and English Football in general. I hope that you will be willing to spend a few minutes to participate in the survey. Participation in the survey is voluntary and you will not be identified in any reports on this study.

I know your time is valuable, so as a token of Sunderland's appreciation (and mine), a team autographed Sunderland home jersey, as well as, 4 tickets to Sunderland's season home opener (happening later this year) will be given away on May 21, 2007 to one of the participants of the survey. A random email address will be picked as the winner.

The link to the survey is http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=966673678364

Thanks again for your time. I hope you find the survey interesting.

Best regards,

Derek Angove

Pretty funny eh. The survey itself is very entertaining alright. For example there's a question '24. Would you like to see Sunderland have a bigger presence in Ireland?' !! Is there no end to the onslaught?

[hoops1]

There seems to be a reaction from those who might crudely be called 'pro Sunderland/English football' that it is cynical and negative to question the activities of the Quinn consortium and SAFC. I think some might choose to deliberately misunderstand, the better to label all eL supporters as bitter malcontents, but it could also be that there is a genuine misinterpretation here.
There is no reason for even the most diehard eL fan to have any problem with Sunderland, or with Niall Quinn, or with Sunderland supporters insofar as their activities relate to England. In fact, if they do make it back to the EPL, it will have been an amazing achievement, and club and fans alike should be congratulated.
What is problematic is Quinn's trying to have it both ways, running a sustained and deliberate marketing campaign aimed at drawing badly-needed resources out of Irish football, at a time when the game here is trying to recover from decades of damage, and at the same time attempting to retain credibility as a champion of the domestic game, taking out show-membership in SRFC and calling for more investment in Irish football.
The sports media here have long bought into the EPL, and aren't going to question the SundIreland circus. But it is perfectly valid for people who care about the game here to question Quinn's motivation. Lots of people invest in British football. But they don't ask eL fans to like them at the same time.
As for Bohs having a friendly with Sunderland, and the invitation to comment on that, I can see no contradiction. Sunderland and their fans obviously are more than welcome, and I'm sure the club appreciates the boost in profile that they will bring. The bizarre part is that, if Quinn and co. succeed in turning their club into a mini-Celtic/L'pool/ManU, there could be more English shirt-wearing Irish fans there than either Bohs or genuine Sunderland supporters. And that's just daft.
Imagine a Sunderland friendly with Real Madrid, with more white shirts in evidence, and the Real-lovers telling all and sundry that the Spanish game is vastly superior and dismissing the home support as weirdos. From my knowledge of Sunderland folk, who seem honest, straight-talking, and with little time for bull****, somehow I don't think that'd wash over there.

Sorry for quoting a whole post but that is POTM

[dcfcsteve]

I was, as you can imagine, pretty amazed when I saw the following on my college e-noticeboard;

Sunderland FC Survey

My name is Derek Angove. I am a full time MBA student at the Michael Smurfit School of Business and I am currently engaged in a brand equity study for the Sunderland Football Club. As part of my research I am conducting a survey that seeks to discover the Irish sentiment towards Sunderland and English Football in general. I hope that you will be willing to spend a few minutes to participate in the survey. Participation in the survey is voluntary and you will not be identified in any reports on this study.

I know your time is valuable, so as a token of Sunderland's appreciation (and mine), a team autographed Sunderland home jersey, as well as, 4 tickets to Sunderland's season home opener (happening later this year) will be given away on May 21, 2007 to one of the participants of the survey. A random email address will be picked as the winner.

The link to the survey is http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=966673678364

Thanks again for your time. I hope you find the survey interesting.

Best regards,

Derek Angove

Pretty funny eh. The survey itself is very entertaining alright. For example there's a question '24. Would you like to see Sunderland have a bigger presence in Ireland?' !! Is there no end to the onslaught?

Not the best survey I've seen - a few leading questions there, and doesn't filter you out at the start if you're fundamentally not interested in Sunderland or English football.

I filled it in anyway..... :)

[dcfcsteve]

Why?

GUFC are well aware of what they're doing here.

As said in this thread this game is the perfect oppurtunity to fleece the barstoolers which is exactly what UTD are doing.

Sunderland are bringing a 1000 fans.The game is on Race week....therefore half the Country will be in Galway as it is.
I'll be at the game but more than likely selling UTD gear,Lotto Tickets and GUST membership.The spill over effects from this game for UTD are huge.
Also TC will be able to spend now in July.:)

I suspect that Sunderland's games in Ireland will do much more for them financially beyond the immediate term than it will for the clubs they're playing.

Even in the immediate term - they'll shift dramatically more shirts in advance and immediately after each game than the teams they play would probably
shift in a year.

I don't have a problem with such friendlies, but it would be naive to assume they put more money into Irish football than they attract away to English football. I seriously suspect the opposite is true.

[Sumac]

Does anyone know how much Sunderland are charging clubs for the benefit of their presence? All I have heard is that it is a hefty appearance fee. Is this charge common for all clubs on their pre-season tours?

[BohsPartisan]

I heard it was a share of the gate but I'm not sure.

[galwayhoop]

Does anyone know how much Sunderland are charging clubs for the benefit of their presence? All I have heard is that it is a hefty appearance fee. Is this charge common for all clubs on their pre-season tours?

..yes

[Calcio Jack]

Anyone slagging of or complaining about Quinn trying to entice people resident in the ROI to support Sunderland by travelling to their games or buy their merchandise might stop and think for amoment. We live in a democracy which affords us certain rights e.g the right to travel overseas freely and also the right to purchase goods from overseas...simple but good example is the buying of a CD for a much cheaper price from an entity like CDWow as against being fleeced by your local high street record store....

My point is you can't have it both ways...so if you want the freedoms mentioned above then you have to accept that we have an open economy and thus foreign companies are entitled to advertise and sell their goods here and it is up to any local operator that produces a similar good or service to compete... so that's life and it's up to the LOI to compete with Sunderland or any other overseas clubs.

[Lim till i die]

He's right

Democracy is the problem here :mad:

[Poor Student]

That survey is desperate.


Question 13. Why do you not regularly attend live Premiership/Championship football matches?