Limerick37 Transfers

[gaidin]

thats a bad point wit dunphy but tommy cant pass the ball,

He must be able to pass it some bit to get as far as he did!

But you do agree that Dunphy rolls around on the ground a bit too much!

But as see's it just said maybe Dunphy would do better now that he is older. He might have been a bit young when he first went up.

[allab]

i thought it was a very interesting discussion anyway.
not backpeddling at all just think dunphy is better.i think dunphy would do alot better if he was playing EL now he was young when he was up there,tommy didnt start until he was 26

plus the standard of players there now are better

[declan hide]

so what players were at the training the other night?
read in the paper there was 7 ex limerick

[Old keeper]

whats the story wit junior players signing for limerick

do they need a transfer??

and when is training starting for them??

Hi

Junior Players will need a transfer and the deadline for this is the 21st Feb, any Junior players being asked to train will be asked only after their clubs have been notified.

[Lim till i die]

i thought it was a very interesting discussion anyway.
not backpeddling at all just think dunphy is better.i think dunphy would do alot better if he was playing EL now he was young when he was up there,tommy didnt start until he was 26

In fairness and in hindsight I was ridiculously harsh on David Dunphy :o

Still not as good a player as Tommy Barrett though :p

OldKeeper, any sign of a few strikers?? :ball:

[smellyfeet]

Hi

Junior Players will need a transfer and the deadline for this is the 21st Feb, any Junior players being asked to train will be asked only after their clubs have been notified.

Has any player signed forms yet

[see's it]

In fairness and in hindsight I was ridiculously harsh on David Dunphy :o

Still not as good a player as Tommy Barrett though :p

OldKeeper, any sign of a few strikers?? :ball:

speaking of strikers....
Alan Barry vs Derek McCarthy who would you pick for this 1?

[Lim till i die]

speaking of strikers....
Alan Barry vs Derek McCarthy who would you pick for this 1?

Again see's it, 2 completely different types of player ;)

On his day Carthy was one of the best finishers in the league

Alan Barry always gave 140% and is built like an ox

I know who I'd back to win a fight :D

[leather]

Hi

Junior Players will need a transfer and the deadline for this is the 21st Feb, any Junior players being asked to train will be asked only after their clubs have been notified.

ARE JUNIOR TEAMS GOING TO BE ASKED OR JUST INFORMEDABOUT THEIR PLAYERS???

[the hoops]

ARE JUNIOR TEAMS GOING TO BE ASKED OR JUST INFORMEDABOUT THEIR PLAYERS???

alan barry,alan o shea were asked to turn up

[Lim till i die]

ARE JUNIOR TEAMS GOING TO BE ASKED OR JUST INFORMEDABOUT THEIR PLAYERS???

I'D IMAGINE IT'S UP TO THE PLAYERS :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Goals4fun]

alan barry,alan o shea were asked to turn up


surely there were more aksed

[Lim till i die]

surely there were more aksed

Loads More ;)

[LFC in Exile]

There seems to be a "them and us" attitude emerging again - with junior club fans asking about "their" players going to the L37 set-up. I suppose its unrealistic to expect long-standing animosity between senior and junior in the city to just disappear but I really think junior supporters should not look at L37 as a threat to their club or taking their players. Players should look to play at the highest possible level and junior clubs should be happy for players to move up a level. If they do not establish themselves with L37 then they will (I'm sure) be happy to play again with the junior club.

We need a pyramid structure in the city where the best players represent the city at senior level. This should be welcomed by the clubs and it reflects well on clubs when their players progress to senior level.

The L37 project deserves a fair crack - and putting club above city will hamper soccer in the city.

Taking the example of Kelliher and Barrett they have gone from junior to senior and shown their worth and now have the chance to show their stuff at the highest level in Ireland. That is a tribute to the players and to Fairview who helpedthem develop.

[see's it]

ARE JUNIOR TEAMS GOING TO BE ASKED OR JUST INFORMEDABOUT THEIR PLAYERS???

should be none of the clubs business if the player was asked if the players want to play senior football thats tough on the junior teams

[Goals4fun]

There seems to be a "them and us" attitude emerging again - with junior club fans asking about "their" players going to the L37 set-up. I suppose its unrealistic to expect long-standing animosity between senior and junior in the city to just disappear but I really think junior supporters should not look at L37 as a threat to their club or taking their players. Players should look to play at the highest possible level and junior clubs should be happy for players to move up a level. If they do not establish themselves with L37 then they will (I'm sure) be happy to play again with the junior club.

We need a pyramid structure in the city where the best players represent the city at senior level. This should be welcomed by the clubs and it reflects well on clubs when their players progress to senior level.

The L37 project deserves a fair crack - and putting club above city will hamper soccer in the city.

Taking the example of Kelliher and Barrett they have gone from junior to senior and shown their worth and now have the chance to show their stuff at the highest level in Ireland. That is a tribute to the players and to Fairview who helpedthem develop.

a lot of players will have signed junior form with clubs due to that clubs strenght. Mid way through the season it is a possibility that L37 will take some of those players. Of course the junior players are going to be concerned espically when this is all hush hush.
I play junior football and i wish anybody who does make the step all the best. Even if they are from the team i play with. at the end of the day L37 will do nothing for me but possibly weaken my team. fact .

[leather]

There seems to be a "them and us" attitude emerging again - with junior club fans asking about "their" players going to the L37 set-up. I suppose its unrealistic to expect long-standing animosity between senior and junior in the city to just disappear but I really think junior supporters should not look at L37 as a threat to their club or taking their players. Players should look to play at the highest possible level and junior clubs should be happy for players to move up a level. If they do not establish themselves with L37 then they will (I'm sure) be happy to play again with the junior club.

We need a pyramid structure in the city where the best players represent the city at senior level. This should be welcomed by the clubs and it reflects well on clubs when their players progress to senior level.

The L37 project deserves a fair crack - and putting club above city will hamper soccer in the city.

Taking the example of Kelliher and Barrett they have gone from junior to senior and shown their worth and now have the chance to show their stuff at the highest level in Ireland. That is a tribute to the players and to Fairview who helpedthem develop.


can you blame clubs that are going for the own title being robbed of their best players mid-season.... problem lies in the cross over between junior and senior seasons... no prob with players going on to a higher level as long as clubs aren't screwed again.. i was at the delegate meeting last week ... this scenario was not put fwd...old keeper lets have some input... by the way kelliher was developed by summerville and barret by geraldines.. they moved on to the view at youth and juior level.. view also contributed but not as much as the afore mentioned clubs.. how would senior football like it if mid season their players were poached....when going for promotion? think not..i

[LFC in Exile]

can you blame clubs that are going for the own title being robbed of their best players mid-season.... problem lies in the cross over between junior and senior seasons...

I think the word robbed is too strong. They are being given an opportunity to make the step up. Its not L37's fault that the leagues don't coincide.


no prob with players going on to a higher level as long as clubs aren't screwed again.. i was at the delegate meeting last week ... this scenario was not put fwd...old keeper lets have some input...

Nobody wants to see clubs screwed - but players shouldn't be held to ransom (or screwed) by their junior clubs either. Referring to Goals4fun's post I think this has to be "hush hush" (or at least not posted on web forum). Its not my business what players are being approached etc just as its not yours. Its the business of the two clubs and the player involved.


by the way kelliher was developed by summerville and barret by geraldines.. they moved on to the view at youth and juior level.. view also contributed but not as much as the afore mentioned clubs..

Fair enough.


how would senior football like it if mid season their players were poached....when going for promotion? think not..i

It happens all the time. In every league. But this is a bit different - we are talking about the club that represents your city. Ok - so for example Pike Rovers are going for the title and some of their players move to L37. You think its better that Pike win a junior title than L37 win promotion to the Premier Division. If you put junior above senior then we might as well all go home now.

I'm going to withdraw from thsi thread now because I really didn't want to get a slagging match going between junior and senior fans - that helps nobody.

[leather]

i dont want a slagging match, if you think that is what i am doing i apologise, but every point can be viewed from a seperate angle, i am trying to highlight areas that need improvment..
(1) oportunity to step up.. agree, but who gets penalised?
(2) junior clubs screwing players.. I can speak from a clubs point of view, no player ever stopped, stalled or discouraged from bettering themselves by my club,(boro) but what about the club?? you speak about hush hush aproaches from senior football to clubs, okay, but i can tell you for a fact that Janesboro FC have not been approached or even whispered at about their current players....is this how it is supposed to be??

about players moving mid-season .. FAI made a hash of it.. both junior and senior football screwed at the moment .. why not go back to both seasons at the same time, either summer or winter..

[gaidin]

can you blame clubs that are going for the own title being robbed of their best players mid-season.... problem lies in the cross over between junior and senior seasons... no prob with players going on to a higher level as long as clubs aren't screwed again.. i was at the delegate meeting last week ... this scenario was not put fwd...old keeper lets have some input... by the way kelliher was developed by summerville and barret by geraldines.. they moved on to the view at youth and juior level.. view also contributed but not as much as the afore mentioned clubs.. how would senior football like it if mid season their players were poached....when going for promotion? think not..i

I wouldnt call it "being robbed". The players that are asked have a choice. They either stay with the club they are at or they join L37. No one can force the players to join L37 if they dont want to.

Is it a possibility that some of the junior players could finish the season with their club and then join up with L37 at the end of the junior season?

[leather]

Is it a possibility that some of the junior players could finish the season with their club and then join up with L37 at the end of the junior season?

would be the perfect soloution to an imperfect system

[Goals4fun]

I wouldnt call it "being robbed". The players that are asked have a choice. They either stay with the club they are at or they join L37. No one can force the players to join L37 if they dont want to.

Is it a possibility that some of the junior players could finish the season with their club and then join up with L37 at the end of the junior season?


being robber is a strong statement but i understand where they are coming from.
i don't think they could join up mid season as old keeper said somethign about 21 Feb i think.

It will be tought for the local clubs and they should be contacted by L37 if they want to talk to their players (even out of curtosy). It would be expected if the roles were reversed.

[see's it]

theres no junior player under contract so they are free to go where they please.all the talk of losing players mid season is crap what happens when someone gets injured? did the boro approach corbally when they fleeced them last summer and the summer before i think not

[Goals4fun]

theres no junior player under contract so they are free to go where they please.all the talk of losing players mid season is crap what happens when someone gets injured? did the boro approach corbally when they fleeced them last summer and the summer before i think not


so much for good will between L37 and the junior clubs. L37 can do what they want cause they are the bigger......
the boro signed players in the off season, not in the middle. However i could be wrong

[leather]

as usual highly informed comment from see it...
how about using that logic with all of the other premier clubs.... how many of the present premier teams can claim that their teams came through their own ranks in the last 15-20 years...i remember when the boro were being slaged off for being too clanish, so now that outside blood joined the clu, it is to be slagged of too.. by the way the ex-corbally players left in the OFF SEASON...and in the next OFF SEASON they might choose to move on and best of luck to them..

[leather]

see it and his club have an agenda in all this... apologies to any true senior football people.. the boro voted for the lfc37 proposal and still believe in it.. see its club did not...

[Goals4fun]

see it and his club have an agenda in all this... apologies to any true senior football people.. the boro voted for the lfc37 proposal and still believe in it.. see its club did not...

what is his club ? he seems very pro L37...:confused:

[leather]

he has claimed to be a man of many clubs, but he is a supporter of one of the big clubs that voted againist lfc37...he is anti all other clubs in football.. he is hiding behind pro lfc37 comments..

[Goals4fun]

he has claimed to be a man of many clubs, but he is a supporter of one of the big clubs that voted againist lfc37...he is anti all other clubs in football.. he is hiding behind pro lfc37 comments..

to be honest i don't know who voted against L37

[see's it]

im using your club as an example leather L37 picked players from the big junior clubs the same way big clubs pick players from the smaller clubs.mid season pre season its all the same maybe the junior transfer window should be pushed out to feb 21st also

[Old keeper]

Hi All

Lets start at the beginning

Every player has the right to play with whatever team he or she would like to. The PLAYER is the key in all of this as the object is to have players reach their full potential and thereby lift the profile of not only the club they play with but also the clubs that have developed them. This is not just a Junior senior issue as if one was to look at the number of Premier teams who are populated by players who have been developed by that club then you will see that there is a very brisk trade in players from youth up. The issue with the Senior club is that there has always been a difficulty with clubs feeling that the Limerick sides over the years were just cherry picking. But that is what has to happen, If Shelbourne or cardiff approached one of the junior players in town the talk would be "Jases that’s great that the big clubs are looking at our junior league" but if Limerick teams look at the same players they are accused of destroying junior soccer. How many of the junior clubs approach the clubs before transferring a player? is the club contacted by anyone other than the player requesting a transfer? would it not be seen as a problem for the junior clubs who saw an opportunity and signed the young players from LFC and as a result these players cannot now play in the EL with any senior club for 18 months?

Lads we are trying to start afresh here and no Hush Hush Policy exists, the Aim of L37 is to help ALL players to reach their full potential and in my own opinion the clubs who have helped in the development of a player who makes the grade in senior football should be supportive and proud of their efforts and achievements.

Players may be asked to train with L37 FC but NO players have been asked to sign, and any players who have been asked to train have had their clubs notified.

A point to remember is that NO Amateur club has the right to restrict the movement of amateur players, the notification is to be above board and ensure there is transparency in the process. The fact that there have been a number of Junior players who have approached L37 FC is also an issue but one that we have no control over as any player can ask to be considered for the side

Lets be calm as the end result of all this will probably be a max of 2 or 3 players being signed from Junior clubs

I hope this will settle a few worries about the swarms of Junior players preparing to leave Junior clubs.

[the hoops]

Hi All

Lets start at the beginning

Every player has the right to play with whatever team he or she would like to. The PLAYER is the key in all of this as the object is to have players reach their full potential and thereby lift the profile of not only the club they play with but also the clubs that have developed them. This is not just a Junior senior issue as if one was to look at the number of Premier teams who are populated by players who have been developed by that club then you will see that there is a very brisk trade in players from youth up. The issue with the Senior club is that there has always been a difficulty with clubs feeling that the Limerick sides over the years were just cherry picking. But that is what has to happen, If Shelbourne or cardiff approached one of the junior players in town the talk would be "Jases that’s great that the big clubs are looking at our junior league" but if Limerick teams look at the same players they are accused of destroying junior soccer. How many of the junior clubs approach the clubs before transferring a player? is the club contacted by anyone other than the player requesting a transfer? would it not be seen as a problem for the junior clubs who saw an opportunity and signed the young players from LFC and as a result these players cannot now play in the EL with any senior club for 18 months?

Lads we are trying to start afresh here and no Hush Hush Policy exists, the Aim of L37 is to help ALL players to reach their full potential and in my own opinion the clubs who have helped in the development of a player who makes the grade in senior football should be supportive and proud of their efforts and achievements.

Players may be asked to train with L37 FC but NO players have been asked to sign, and any players who have been asked to train have had their clubs notified.

A point to remember is that NO Amateur club has the right to restrict the movement of amateur players, the notification is to be above board and ensure there is transparency in the process. The fact that there have been a number of Junior players who have approached L37 FC is also an issue but one that we have no control over as any player can ask to be considered for the side

Lets be calm as the end result of all this will probably be a max of 2 or 3 players being signed from Junior clubs

I hope this will settle a few worries about the swarms of Junior players preparing to leave Junior clubs.

Mod edited : Way out of line, content deleted.

[gombean]

ger u ****ed up ldmc with hughie it seems ur at it again with junior players ur a joke :mad:

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This seems to be completely out of order! :mad:

Unless you want to take transfers completely out of the game, it's going to happen!
The alternative to allowing transfers, under certain rules (to make the process somewhat fair), is to have a purely representational system, like the GAA (although even they have a certain amount of leeway built into their system). Many of the currently strong junior clubs would be wiped out instantly if they were prevented from fielding players from outside their catchment areas.

Don't let your own small world vision and lack of ambition hold back the ambition of others.

[gaidin]

ger u ****ed up ldmc with hughie it seems ur at it again with junior players ur a joke :mad:

Why bother posting that. You seem to be only here to attack the poster not contribute in any way.



being robber is a strong statement but i understand where they are coming from.
i don't think they could join up mid season as old keeper said somethign about 21 Feb i think.

He said they need to get a transfer before Feb 21st.
But at the end of the junior season are they not free to join another club then? Or would they still be required to get a transfer?

[gael353]

ger u ****ed up ldmc with hughie it seems ur at it again with junior players ur a joke :mad: jesus did someone just put a match under ur ass or something? And remember your club made a lot of money from the time limerick played up there so less of the anti senior vibe.
say goodbye to foot mate :rolleyes:

[Old keeper]

Hi Hoops

Sorry that you feel the way you do but that is your prerogative, I will if you wish, discuss in private your views.
From your comments you seem to be frustrated and upset, why not try to see the good in things and be part of the group building for the players of tomorrow? I have very strong views and have been told I can be stubborn but I would always listen to the other side and if the other sides argument is persuasive I would then change my views accordingly. That approach has served me well and I don’t see any reason for changing it.

[Old keeper]

Why bother posting that. You seem to be only here to attack the poster not contribute in any way.




He said they need to get a transfer before Feb 21st.
But at the end of the junior season are they not free to join another club then? Or would they still be required to get a transfer?

Hi
At the end of the Junior season the players are released by the junior clubs and can sign with anybody.

[the dazzler]

to be honest i don't know who voted against L37

seven teams voted against,i know 5 for a fact pike,fairview,balla corbally boro plus why all the worry lim37 havent even got in yet

[leather]

Your Fact Is Incorrect... Boro Voted In Favour Of The Proposal, Your 1st 3 Clubs Voted To Go Back To Their Clubs And Discuss It Again...

[Roadend]

The junior complainers are right, I mean just look at Munster and the Limerick club sides. They all hate munster and complain when their players are taken and play for Munster. They won't follow munster and didn't enjoy the euorpean cup win or anything. ;)

[scoobysham]

seven teams voted against,i know 5 for a fact pike,fairview,balla corbally boro plus why all the worry lim37 havent even got in yet

they re in the league now anyway

[gael353]

seven teams voted against,i know 5 for a fact pike,fairview,balla corbally boro plus why all the worry lim37 havent even got in yet

You seem keen to name clubs who voted against and your incorrect in some of them but can you name the clubs who voted for? and dont just give a number, name them :rolleyes:

[Kerry Blue]

The junior complainers are right, I mean just look at Munster and the Limerick club sides. They all hate munster and complain when their players are taken and play for Munster. They won't follow munster and didn't enjoy the euorpean cup win or anything. ;)

Why the hell does it seem that all Junior football supporters in Limerick city think that Limerick 37 will be made entirely of players from their clubs?:confused: I don't want the run down the Junior league which is obviously one of the best if not the best in the country but it is a big step from there to the eircom League, even the First Division. I doubt if even a hand-full of players will make into the Limerick 37 team this season. I expect it will mostly comprise of players who have already played senior football at eL standard.

[4tothefloor]

You'd swear to god that the LDL was the premiership by the way some of the junior brigade go on here. Let's look at a few facts. Firstly, it's a JUNIOR league. Full of average players with little or no technical ability. I can safely say that if Fairview, Pike etc entered the Munster Senior League, or even the FAI Intermediate Cup, they'd be absolutely walloped every week. The LDL is very average lads, get over it!

For anyone who can't fathom this, I'll draw a little diagram for u....


Senior Football
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Non-League Senior Football (MSL, LSL)
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Intermediate Football
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Junior Football

Now dumbasses, can u see the gap between the two? Most players in the Limerick District League wouldn't get on the Rockmount team in Cork, never mind an EL team :rolleyes: As has been already said, at best 2/3 players may sign for Limerick 37. Big deal......Which should be an indication as to where the standard of the LDL really lies. The truth is, if the LDL clubs had any balls or ambition the so called 'big guns' would surely be plying their trade in the Munster Senior League by now. That Fairview team that won a handfull of FAI junior cups - why didn't they have a go at a higher level? No balls, that's why. Cos they knew the level up is a different ball game. It's all well and good being top dog in Limerick and even in the national competition, but the reality is it's the lowest level of football in Ireland. So stop being so narrow minded and get behind senior football in the city - cos our 'big' junior clubs are NEVER going to offer a higher standard of football.....

The one-horse-town attitude is so pathetic :rolleyes:

[lim abroad]

That Fairview team that won a handfull of FAI junior cups - why didn't they have a go at a higher level? No balls, that's why. Cos they knew the level up is a different ball game. It's all well and good being top dog in Limerick and even in the national competition, but the reality is it's the lowest level of football in Ireland. So stop being so narrow minded and get behind senior football in the city - cos our 'big' junior clubs are NEVER going to offer a higher standard of football.....

so where did limerick fc get ross cosgrove,paddy purcell,brian buckley,tommy barrett,robbie kelleher,john whyte,derek whyte,paul harman,jason purcell,barry ryan from?must be from a junior team with no bottle,take your head out of your arse about limk fc being so far ahead,they have the cream of junior players along with a few decent senior players that train twice a week like every other junior team,if they were that good they wouldn't have spent the last 20 or so years in the first division while practically every other team has gone up.i'm a limerick fan by the way but just find this trashing of junior soccer ridiculous

[leather]

Well Said Lim Abroad..dont Forget Gaga

[LFC in Exile]

I thin 4tothefloor is wrong there about the gap between Limerick junior and Munster Senior League. MSL really is just a name given to the highest junior division in Cork. I doubt the best of the "junior" scene in Munster e.g. Limerick, Waterford, Tipp would compete with teh best Cork teams - it is just a name really. There is very little movement between MSL and eL, which you would expect if there was a closer standard.

However I absolutely agree on a big gap between the junior scene (including Limerick junior and MSL) and the eL. There are examples of players making the step but it is a small enough group. The few that do it (e.g. Kelliher, Barrett) don't represent the standard at junior level - they were stand out down there too.

[gael353]

so where did limerick fc get ross cosgrove,paddy purcell,brian buckley,tommy barrett,robbie kelleher,john whyte,derek whyte,paul harman,jason purcell,barry ryan from?must be from a junior team with no bottle,take your head out of your arse about limk fc being so far ahead,they have the cream of junior players along with a few decent senior players that train twice a week like every other junior team,if they were that good they wouldn't have spent the last 20 or so years in the first division while practically every other team has gone up.i'm a limerick fan by the way but just find this trashing of junior soccer ridiculous

wouldnt disagree with you, and i know im knit picking but Rossi came from waterford and Paddy from Pats. Before that they were with many junior clubs including the view.
Heff came from Fairview as well. Five great years of success for that club.

[4tothefloor]

so where did limerick fc get ross cosgrove,paddy purcell,brian buckley,tommy barrett,robbie kelleher,john whyte,derek whyte,paul harman,jason purcell,barry ryan from?must be from a junior team with no bottle,take your head out of your arse about limk fc being so far ahead,they have the cream of junior players along with a few decent senior players that train twice a week like every other junior team,if they were that good they wouldn't have spent the last 20 or so years in the first division while practically every other team has gone up.i'm a limerick fan by the way but just find this trashing of junior soccer ridiculous

1. Where did I say that Limerick were so far ahead? Never said that. Read the post properly. In fact I think the reason we've been so far behind is because we've basically been playing players of junior standard at EL level, and most of these have come from the LDL.

2. Purcell and Rossi didn't come to Limerick from LDL clubs. John Whyte, Derek Whyte, Paul Harman, Jason Purcell, Barry Ryan - read point number 1 :rolleyes: One or two there were good servants and great clubmen, but not up to much on the pitch, which is where it counts. Brian Buckley is ok, nothing special. Tommy and Robbie I'll give you, and Heff. But that's what, 2/3 decent players?? Big deal, you'd expact that anyway from a place the size of Limerick.

3. The MSL isn't just a fancy name. I can guarantee you that the best Limerick junior sides would get tonked by the best MSL sides. Junior sides gain entry in to the Munster Senior cup every season (AFAIK it's the premier champions of each league) and always exit early, very early. Players like Brendan Sweeney, so lauded here by many, was playing in the MSL last season. There is a gap, and it's quite a big one too.

4. Nobody is rubbishing Limerick junior football - Limerick junior football just thinks it's better than it actually is, when it's clearly not. The Tommy Barretts and Robbie Kellihers have no other choice but play Junior, as it's the only level in the city, unlike in Cork, Dublin etc. Their only other option, ie to better themselves is senior soccer with Limerick - so get over it :rolleyes:

[Fairkop]

think 4th has a fair point here.many outside limerick think the standard is very high in lims junior soccer,bt what has happened is that this is based mostly on f.views success in the f.a.i.....they masked the standard to such a degree that it was assumed our junior premier was very strong...which of course it is not.it is no better or worse than in galway,dublin,etc.it must also be remembered that lims most successful junior converts have come from the view in recent times.