Kevin Doyle and Pat Dolan

[A face]

You have to laugh like, its just too funny at this stage. :p

[Student Mullet]

I'm confused, tell me more about the biggest ever sponsorship deal in irish football.

[Pablo]

And the one fact that speaks even louder is that those who have had first hand experience of him at their clubs think the least of him (save for about 6 Cork City "fans"/bodyguards/kebab gathers)

Indeed. he has about 6 followers left in Cork. They aren't really City fans anymore though and are to be pitied really

[Colm]

I'm confused, tell me more about the biggest ever sponsorship deal in irish football.

Nissan.
Worth 750k over 3 years.

However, since Pat was sacked Nissan no longer want to have anything to do with Cork City so, as it stands, the club has no sponsor for the coming season.

[Hecko]

"He gets on with fans and players alike. Do you not see it as strange that players such as Georgie, Doyler, Colin O'Brien, O'Flynn, Kearney etc all stayed so loyal to the man even after he was sacked.


Colm - I think it is the fact that he was so close/loyal to Doyler, Kearney etc. to the point of acting as their unofficial agent that is kinda the problem:rolleyes:

[Pablo]

Colm - I think it is the fact that he was so close/loyal to Doyler, Kearney etc. to the point of acting as their unofficial agent that is kinda the problem:rolleyes:

Indeed. But "love" is blind.

Pity really because its CCFC that has suffered, and Colm would rather support an individual no longer involved with City than the Club

[pete]

Nissan.
Worth 750k over 3 years.

However, since Pat was sacked Nissan no longer want to have anything to do with Cork City so, as it stands, the club has no sponsor for the coming season.

I think it was over 4 years & that 750k may also have included O'Neills (i'll admit they unlikely to be a big percentage.

Now looks like was a Pat Dolan sponsorship deal.

Its easy to hire a massive squad (Casey, Packer, Henderman etc...) but the Chairman had to foot the bill. Dolan may have have brought in a few good players but for every good one he brought in 3-4 other hopeless players. Most managers will spot players ability in a trial without offering them contracts.

The City chairmans judgement was correct in sacking Dolan as we won 2 rounds in uefa Cup, won the league with record total & 2 games away from winning FAI & Setanta Cups. I've heard before that Dolan would have done better but can't see how that could happen.

[Colm]

I think it was over 4 years & that 750k may also have included O'Neills (i'll admit they unlikely to be a big percentage.

Now looks like was a Pat Dolan sponsorship deal.

No it was over 3 years. Hence, why its up now. Don't think it included O'Neills, it did included the Echo and RedFM but trust me that doesn't make much of a dent in it.

I suppose you could call it a "Pat Dolan sponsoship deal" in the sense that it was himself and Pat Keirans secured it. However, any club needs to have people of that calibre who can attract that kind of backing. By your logic you could call the Hibernian deal "a John Crowley sponsorship deal".




Its easy to hire a massive squad (Casey, Packer, Henderman etc...) but the Chairman had to foot the bill. Dolan may have have brought in a few good players but for every good one he brought in 3-4 other hopeless players. Most managers will spot players ability in a trial without offering them contracts.


You have to bring in a few players to find a good one. For every Hedderman or Casey there was a Murphy, Doyle, Fenn or Gamble.

Rico brought in Vinnie Sullivan, Paul Connell, Willie Bruton etc but has yet to being in anyone of the calible of those mentioned above.




The City chairmans judgement was correct in sacking Dolan as we won 2 rounds in uefa Cup, won the league with record total & 2 games away from winning FAI & Setanta Cups. I've heard before that Dolan would have done better but can't see how that could happen.

I dont know Pete. Don't think Dolan would have done any better in 2005 season but certainly would have done the same. I think it's better to judge on 2006 season though when the knock on effects of players leaving and so on can truly be seen.

[joeSoap]

Some Facts:

Pat Dolan is not a registered agent. Pat Dolan does not act as an agent, he acts as an advisor. He does not receive payment for his services fto Kevin Doyle.

Michael Kennedy is not a registered agent. Michael Kennedy does not act as an agent. He does not receive payment for his services to Roy Keane, Niall Quinn etc...

Pat Devlin is not a registered agent. Pat Devlin acts as an agent. Pat Devlin receives massive payments for his services to Damien Duff.

Pat Dolan can advise whoever wants to be advised by him. He was helping out his brother, no doubt, and also helping a young fella that he had close ties to achieve his dream. He maybe even did it a little to hurt Cork City. Theres nothing at all legally wrong with any of this...morally some Cork fans may well feel aggrieved. But its a professional business and theres no room for sentiment or morals in cut-throat business.

I don't see anybody pointing the finger at a man in authority in the FAI, a man who manages our National second string and sits on the bench 'advising' Staunton during games. Yet this man is probably the biggest thief and liar of them all.

Irony lost on any of ye??

[pete]

Theres nothing at all legally wrong with any of this...morally some Cork fans may well feel aggrieved.

If I was say a Sales Rep & got fired by company A. If i then advised Company B of confidential contracts that I was aware from my company A job would this be legal?

Even if you ignore the CCFC element Dolan is a hypocrite. Hes been preaching about the evils of foreign football & that we should embraish our local clubs yet he is "arranging" transfers from eL clubs now he has become unemployable here... :rolleyes:

Devlin has plenty of threads about his dodgy dealings & I don't disagree with your comments on him.

[Dodge]

You're a fool if you belive Dolan gets no payment for his dealins with Doyle.

[onceahoop]

You're a fool if you belive Dolan gets no payment for his dealins with Doyle.

After Dolan left Pat's there was a story going around in some football circles regarding Doyle's alleged contract (or 2) with Pat's. The one Doyle and Dolan signed and the one the Board saw. If true Pat's were really stitched up.

[Dodge]

After Dolan left Pat's there was a story going around in some football circles regarding Doyle's alleged contract (or 2) with Pat's. The one Doyle and Dolan signed and the one the Board saw. If true Pat's were really stitched up.

His initial contract was on amateur terms (He received an "allowance" not wages...). He had agreed to a full time professional contract with chairman etc, then Dolan (knowing he was about to be sacked, told him not to sign it) 2 months later Dolan is sacked, brings Doyle to Cork (where he inserts the sell on clause himself)

[Pablo]

His initial contract was on amateur terms (He received an "allowance" not wages...). He had agreed to a full time professional contract with chairman etc, then Dolan (knowing he was about to be sacked, told him not to sign it) 2 months later Dolan is sacked, brings Doyle to Cork (where he inserts the sell on clause himself)

Shhhhhhh Colm will get upset!

We all know Dolan had an involvement in the Doyle transfer.

People forget the Shane Long Deal too though he scored again last night for Reading in the FA cup

Another robbery of talent

[SÓC]

No it was over 3 years. Hence, why its up now. Don't think it included O'Neills, it did included the Echo and RedFM but trust me that doesn't make much of a dent in it.


I dont know Pete. Don't think Dolan would have done any better in 2005 season but certainly would have done the same. I think it's better to judge on 2006 season though when the knock on effects of players leaving and so on can truly be seen.

Nope...it was/is a four year deal. It's only "up" now because Nissan have wanted out since Dolan got the sack and saw the Hibernian deal as a way out.

I think we most likely would have won the league with Dolan in 2005 (if he had managed to figure out how to actually beat Shels) but we would not have played football the way we did. The ball would have spent a lot more time in the air.

[derm]

I dont know Pete. Don't think Dolan would have done any better in 2005 season but certainly would have done the same. I think it's better to judge on 2006 season though when the knock on effects of players leaving and so on can truly be seen.

Interestingly had Dolan achieved the same average points per game in 2004 (as there was different number of games) that Richardson achieved in 2006 then CCFC would have pipped Shels to the title on goal difference (+22 to +20). So Damien's worst result surpasses Dolan's best even with a much reduced squad. Add to that an unbeaten home record, a new club record scoreline and the meanest defence in the league for the second season running. All in a season that was massively disappointing.

So I really don't understand your belief that Dolan would certainly have done the same as Richardson in '05. The league was won on a record amount of points and City under Dolan leaked a lot of goals.

[A face]

Interestingly had Dolan achieved the same average points per game in 2004 (as there was different number of games) that Richardson achieved in 2006 then CCFC would have pipped Shels to the title on goal difference (+22 to +20). So Damien's worst result surpasses Dolan's best even with a much reduced squad. Add to that an unbeaten home record, a new club record scoreline and the meanest defence in the league for the second season running. All in a season that was massively disappointing.

So I really don't understand your belief that Dolan would certainly have done the same as Richardson in '05. The league was won on a record amount of points and City under Dolan leaked a lot of goals.

But sure who cares about all of that, Dolan talked about passion and cried in the pub and walked off camera mid-sentence and was on stage singing karaoke. Willie Byrne is his hero y'know !! :eek:

Who cares about winning the league playing the best football the club has ever seen. (http://www.geocities.com/ifgrounds/2005champions.gif)

[ciarandcfc]

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