Today's Star.... [Archive]

Dodge

28/12/2006, 2:40 PM

Brought him back to European football. First Irish club. He was happy here apparently (It helps our chairman is fairly active in African charities and anti Rascism movements here I guess). He moved as Johnny Mac wanted to spend his wages elsewhere and Eamon Collins told him lies (which I can’t go into here but its nothing to do with football). I know how much he asked Bohs for and I know how much we offered him and we weren’t even close.

Or I was just saying that as I couldn't think of another reason why he'd sign for us...

OneRedArmy

28/12/2006, 2:46 PM

I'm very happy about the above, if true, as I was extremely concerned at the prospect of Ndo coming North as we don't need another centre midfielder.

Though I wouldn't have said no to Rodgers as a left back for Derry.

Dodge

28/12/2006, 2:54 PM

Always thought Rogers was rubbish TBH

Aaron

28/12/2006, 2:55 PM

I wouldnt take any of the three of them. Not saying they are bad players but we have those positions covered, and the only player i'd take from Shels is Jason Byrne

Dodge

28/12/2006, 2:57 PM

I'd take O'Neill ahead of Byrne. And I said that before we even thought of signing him. O'Neill's a better all round striker

OneRedArmy

28/12/2006, 3:08 PM

I'd take O'Neill ahead of Byrne. And I said that before we even thought of signing him. O'Neill's a better all round strikerIf we are keeping Farren (hopefully) then he and O'Neill would be too lightweight a front pairing.

We badly need a Gary Beckett-type replacement coming through, but that type of player is thin on the ground in the League. Alan Murphy was my own great white hope in that position, but he's obviously gone by the wayside. Hopefully Kevin McHugh can get a run in the team in his preferred position and build a partnership with Farren.

I'm not sure about Byrne as I genuinely don't see a 20 goal a season striker as being an absolute necessity as long as the goals are coming from elsewhere, which was certainly the case in Stephen Kenny's style of play. There also remains the doubt that Byrne is in the Robbie Keane mould, ie that he needs 3 gilt edged chances to get each goal.

The Stars

28/12/2006, 4:29 PM

Great signings for Pats,this changes my prediction of the final positions for next year anyway.
Pats should be looking to get into the top 4 at least.
Goning to be a very competitive race for the title

kdjaC

28/12/2006, 4:54 PM

Ryan
Rogers Foley Brennan Frost
Kirby Fahey Mulcahy Ndo O Connor
O Neill ....

lol we have no strikers thats a decent 11, a newcastle type decent 11 bet we never any of those playing at the same time assuming Mulcahy and the others sign for us again.

kdjac

harry crumb

28/12/2006, 4:56 PM

Dodge, would you not be better off putting that money into doing a bit of improvements to that ****-hole of a ground you have?:rolleyes:

OneRedArmy

28/12/2006, 5:14 PM

Dodge, would you not be better off putting that money into doing a bit of improvements to that ****-hole of a ground you have?:rolleyes:They bought a pub, what more do you want?!

IIRC the last capex grant for Richer was spent on players so there is a tradition to be kept up here ;)

kdjaC

28/12/2006, 5:29 PM

Dodge, would you not be better off putting that money into doing a bit of improvements to that ****-hole of a ground you have?:rolleyes:

Why in case more fans magically show up next season?

kdjac

BohsFans

28/12/2006, 5:34 PM

Dodge, would you not be better off putting that money into doing a bit of improvements to that ****-hole of a ground you have?:rolleyes:

:D

the el said Pat's were going to do some development there soon, but the Pat's fans know nothing about it! :p

Burny89

28/12/2006, 5:40 PM

I'm not sure about Byrne as I genuinely don't see a 20 goal a season striker as being an absolute necessity as long as the goals are coming from elsewhere, which was certainly the case in Stephen Kenny's style of play.

How can you say that? we lost the league on goal difference even though we had goals from everywhere. Shows more proof to me that we lost out cause we don't have a 20 goal a season forward

higgins

28/12/2006, 5:42 PM

Considering Bohs 'we have loads of money' turned down Joey Ndo's wage demands I'm shocked he has ended up back at Pats, even with a reduction in his demands.

Gary O'Neill is a good striker and much better than the two amigos who just departed Richmond Park.

Dave Rogers is useless....
I hope and pray that the rumour he has signed turns out to be 100% fact. If I knew losing O'Neill and Ndo meant getting rid of Rogers I could take it :p

Rossi

28/12/2006, 9:08 PM

think Joey asked Drogheda for too much wages aswell.100k a year or something

harry crumb

28/12/2006, 9:37 PM

Why in case more fans magically show up next season?

kdjac

So are you happy with the two sides at either end of the pitch.

One is a mud bank, the other terrace with a crappy view.

Dodge

28/12/2006, 10:02 PM

Who said he was happy? Its a circle. Better chance of winning something leads to more fans leads t more money to spend on ground.

Or at least thats the thinking

harry crumb

29/12/2006, 1:45 AM

i thought you did the same thing in the late 90's?

Just think it has the potential for a cracking ground.

OneRedArmy

29/12/2006, 8:57 AM

How can you say that? we lost the league on goal difference even though we had goals from everywhere. Shows more proof to me that we lost out cause we don't have a 20 goal a season forwardOur style of play under Kenny wasn't based around creating enough chances for a 20 goal a season striker, at least not enough for Byrne anyway.

It was based around one striker dropping deep to receive and midfielders pushing forward to attack.

Obviously Fenlon may well change this.

PS We lost the League by not gaining enough points.

desaintsno.12

29/12/2006, 9:51 AM

higgins you cant be serious about that stupid comment ???

TonyD

29/12/2006, 8:20 PM

IIRC the last capex grant for Richer was spent on players so there is a tradition to be kept up here ;)

That would be the grant that was awarded, but we never got, would it ?:rolleyes:

CollegeTillIDie

31/12/2006, 4:41 PM

FAO St. Pat's Fans

Is there any update on the Richmond Park situation?

Dr.Nightdub

31/12/2006, 5:53 PM

The club's official position, as outlined in the presentation to the IAG, is that there are three options:
1. Stay in Richmond and develope it
2. Sell Richmond and move to a greenfield site
3. Sell Richmond and move to groundshare with another club

Option 1 is the one that Pats For Richmond are pursuing in conjunction with club officials and which has got public declarations of support from Brian Kerr, Pat Dolan, etc.

Option 2 would essentially be replicating what Bohs are planning to do but I haven't heard anything on the grapevine about such a move by Pats, at least not in terms of an actual location. Put it down as a theoretical possibility though.

Realistically, Option 3 means sharing Tallaght with Rovers and everyone knows where that one currently stands. So still also a theoretical possibility.

As regards the club's preference, that's hard to tell. Different board members lean in different ways so there isn't one defined preference, they're keeping all options open (i.e. fudging announcing a decision). At one time it was definitely Option 3, then PFR came along and started getting stroppy, so they said they'd explore Option 1 with us. Big wheels turn painfully slowly.

dubman

31/12/2006, 6:06 PM

PFR came along and started getting stroppy, so they said they'd explore Option 1 with us. Big wheels turn painfully slowly.

whats PFR?

kdjaC

31/12/2006, 6:55 PM

Pats for Richmond.

Sadly its in Pats fans best interests for Thomas Davis to succeed or for Shels to jump into tallaght should TD fail. Best interests being staying in richmond regardless of state.

kdjac

passerrby

03/01/2007, 5:09 PM

maybe but i think that longterm it would be in pats interest to share in tallagh, it cant help be the best ground in the country when completed and also you can keep away from the ruffians across the liffy

Dodge

03/01/2007, 5:15 PM

YOu've no understanding of the Pats fans situation then, or the work put in by ROvers in the area.

Pats would die in Tallaght. Simple

passerrby

03/01/2007, 5:24 PM

while i agreed with your seniment i feel that longterm and this can only be judges longterm it would work, also while rovers do great work in tallagh the place has such massive potential

higgins

03/01/2007, 5:26 PM

NO TO GROUNDSHARING!!!!!

pats rovers
bohs shels
rovers ucd
cork derry
cobh bray
etc etc etc

It's a stupid idea
always was and always will be in my head

Stay where you are Pats.
If you are forced out start up a new team and I'll support you :)

passerrby

03/01/2007, 5:30 PM

I know its a massively emotive issue but i fear higs you are speaking from a supporters point as apposed to someone who is trying to build a financially successfully club

Dr.Nightdub

03/01/2007, 6:24 PM

Ooooh, nasty! I reckon Higgins would give ANYTHING for a financially successful club right now.

pete

03/01/2007, 8:47 PM

Dublin clubs say smaller clubs outside the pale unwilling to change & holding the league back. On the otherhand non-dublin clubs say dubs unwilling to change by accepting ground sharing & holding the league back.

There are many examples of ground shares already such as Cork City share with MFA, Galway United share with schoolboys leagues.

BohsFans

03/01/2007, 9:02 PM

There are many examples of ground shares already such as Cork City share with MFA

Is that not landlord - tenant basis?

Cork City FC don't own a % of it, do they?

pete

03/01/2007, 9:08 PM

Cork City FC don't own a % of it, do they?

Technically No. The MFA own the ground but i think the FAI ensure they must rent to us. Lets face it the MFA would not be receiving these grants if no eL sides using the ground. I think we may have contributed to ground improvements over the years too.

Dr.Nightdub

04/01/2007, 12:17 AM

Pete, the examples of groundsharing you gave are miles away from what was being proposed for / foisted on (delete according to your point of view) the Dublin clubs. You're not even comparing apples and oranges, but more so apples and yoghurt or something.

Cork aren't competing with the MFA, nor are Galway competing with the schoolboy league. Us and Rovers would be in direct competition if we were to be shunted to Tallaght and up until Shels' financial implosion, so would they and Bohs have been on the northside.

NY Hoop

04/01/2007, 10:01 AM

YOu've no understanding of the Pats fans situation then, or the work put in by ROvers in the area.

Pats would die in Tallaght. Simple

Spot on. Pats need to stay in Richmond. Ground there definitely has potential despite all the apartments around it.

KOH

pete

04/01/2007, 11:02 AM

You're not even comparing apples and oranges, but more so apples and yoghurt or something.

Apple yoghurt is nice so proves can coexist.

Cork aren't competing with the MFA, nor are Galway competing with the schoolboy league. Us and Rovers would be in direct competition if we were to be shunted to Tallaght and up until Shels' financial implosion, so would they and Bohs have been on the northside.

It works allover europe. Shels & Bohs could easily share in green field site as neither of them get thier support exclusively from local areas anymore. Tallaght is a bit different as Rovers have had head start making themselves part of the community.

pineapple stu

04/01/2007, 12:44 PM

Apple yoghurt is nice so proves can coexist.
Is that a sentence? :confused:

Your comparison was nonsense Pete for the reasons stated, and you can't get out of it with more nonsense.

Guts&Glory

04/01/2007, 1:03 PM

Spot on. Pats need to stay in Richmond. Ground there definitely has potential despite all the apartments around it.

KOH

IMO As a non Pats fan definately want to see Pats stay where they belong in Richmond, the league is bad enough without teams packing up and moving to new areas thus losing their fanbase.

I know money is an issue for every club but to move is to lose your soul- as Bohs I feel will find out.

Anyway that chippy ye have is top notch post pub pre game nosh!!!

A Sligo Red Rover