No Licence, No Club, No Future.

[Lim till i die]

anymore?i thought ye had one.how about getting together and sorting out a plan to save yer club,sham rvs did it,g.u supporters trust helped alot when we were near Sh*t creek a few years ago.NOW is the time to get off your behinds and save yer club,surely ye yourselves have business contacts or can get the media behind ye for appeals etc etc,get a meeting together and try a few of these steps.IT IS achievable,shamrock rovers were in a more precarious position then ye and managed to stay alive.ask yerselves do ye love yer football club or just love going on forums and moaning to/about eachother,which is it????
and youd be amazed what politicans will do with an election fast approaching,trust me.so get willie o'dea togther and get this thing moving.
btw,the headline of this thread grabbed my attention,thats why im on here,it will be sad to see ye go,seriously.so i bet instead of people replying properly to my post ill probably just get a few of ye moaning at me for coming on here.my intentions are genuine,are yers?????

Business contacts? Not that I know of..................

Shamrock Rovers had a 400 club

At an almighty push we could manage a 40 club

[thelimerick]

anymore?i thought ye had one.how about getting together and sorting out a plan to save yer club,sham rvs did it,g.u supporters trust helped alot when we were near Sh*t creek a few years ago.NOW is the time to get off your behinds and save yer club,surely ye yourselves have business contacts or can get the media behind ye for appeals etc etc,get a meeting together and try a few of these steps.IT IS achievable,shamrock rovers were in a more precarious position then ye and managed to stay alive.ask yerselves do ye love yer football club or just love going on forums and moaning to/about eachother,which is it????
and youd be amazed what politicans will do with an election fast approaching,trust me.so get willie o'dea togther and get this thing moving.
btw,the headline of this thread grabbed my attention,thats why im on here,it will be sad to see ye go,seriously.so i bet instead of people replying properly to my post ill probably just get a few of ye moaning at me for coming on here.my intentions are genuine,are yers?????

I think you have a fair point there eamo.
At this moment in time though I think people are just waiting to see what happens, there's a lot of confusion at the moment and until there is a clear idea of what is actually going on at the club, there will be little done.
Frankly we've never really known whats being happening at our club so its not going to be very different now.

[thelimerick]

Just to follow up on that, I completely agree that its time the supporters took action. The SC have been brilliant in the past, I think now we need to gather, all of us, together and get some ideas going

[thomas72]

well guys whats going on are you confident limerick fc will not be folding??
the club cant surely move back to the pike or jackman it would be better off to fold than move to jackman the place is a kip hogan park is better than that hole... crazy iv never seen anything like this regarding senior soccer in this town its embrassing at this stage. :(

[joeSoap]

well guys whats going on are you confident limerick fc will not be folding??
the club cant surely move back to the pike or jackman it would be better off to fold than move to jackman the place is a kip hogan park is better than that hole... crazy iv never seen anything like this regarding senior soccer in this town its embrassing at this stage. :(Sorry to embarrass you thomas72....really...:rolleyes:

[eamo1]

what a supporters club is for.it can be a kind of lobby group for ye to demand answers and then ye might know whats going on,yer paying customers so ye are more then entilted to answers yer looking for.g.u did that with our supporters club,they set up a public meeting and a forum and put everyone in the picture.and even though the picture at the time was bad we still knew how it was and what needed to be done to correct it.how about a letter into a local paper to demand answers or ring one of those radio moan in,i mean phone in,shows and say it there.its not much but its a start.and if answers are not forthcoming then ye know he doesnt have a clue himself and it may be time for a coup;) .
actually i remember we had a m.b for our own club and that mb was just about single handedly responsible for bringing down the old board of directors.but that was also during the season when chants of sack the board could be heard on the terraces,it was all co-ordinated on a forum like this one though,but obviously its more difficult for ye right now but not impossible.

[stann]

The Waterford fans have more or less acknowledged themselves that you didn't try last year

Sure the odd win might have been nice but you can't lay all the blame at Mike Kerleys feet

What the bejaysus are you talking about? Just because a few, ahem, misguided souls on here have said that how does that follow that that's what the team were at?

Waterford, initially through no fault of Kerley, were unable to compete on a meaningful level, from the start of this season. FFS they signed 2 players, Lloyd Colfer and Paul Ometoso, who play in our Floodlit Astroturf league, a league I played in, in the Premier feckin' Division, up to the year before! Bottom of the barrel is what I'm trying to say.
There was never a question of 'didn't try', they tried their knackers off, but they were hampered by a manager who was at first too conservative to let them have a go at teams they might have had a chance against, preferring moral 1-0 defeats to tankings I suppose, and later did not possess the motivational skills to lift the team from the malaise that a prolonged run of defeat causes. Not all his fault, by any means, but a large portion of it.

It alarms me, though, how easy a few loose remarks by fans who know nothing definite but just want to deflect criticism by saying 'ah we weren't trying' is accepted as gospel straight from the Blues dressingroom!

Anyway, not trying to hijack the thread. Just saying that if you find yourselves in the position we were at the start of the season with no cash and a scratch squad, sign someone like Foxy Tommy as your manager and not Static Mike.

[gael353]

well guys whats going on are you confident limerick fc will not be folding??
the club cant surely move back to the pike or jackman it would be better off to fold than move to jackman the place is a kip hogan park is better than that hole... crazy iv never seen anything like this regarding senior soccer in this town its embrassing at this stage. :(

Dont agree there at all Thomas, if the club folds it will never come back and if it was to fold the best it could come back as is an "a" division team.
And if you've never seen anything like this in senior soccer in the town then you havn't been supporting Limerick long have you? The limerick leader and its "journos" :rolleyes: would be long gone if Limerick senior soccer didnt have a negitive or doomsday story going with it season on season for the last 20 seasons.

[jebus]

Just to follow up on that, I completely agree that its time the supporters took action. The SC have been brilliant in the past, I think now we need to gather, all of us, together and get some ideas going

In fairness what can we do? As In Exile said, we'd be lucky to get a Limerick 40 supporters trust going, let alone the (possibly) required 400 that would be needed, so thats the idea of a Supporters Trust dead in the water. As for asking questions, who are we going to ask them to? Danny has said he is done with the club, besides that he never had much time for the SC in the past anyway. So until new owners come in and sort us out (looking doubtful if we are to be honest) Limerick FC shall be dead and buried by tomorrow and there is nothing we as supporters can do about it at this late stage

[joeSoap]

Limerick discuss Jackman return
Friday, 08 December 2006 1:39

Limerick FC may be on the verge of moving back to Jackman Park four years after leaving the venue.

Limerick Chairman Danny Drew said yesterday that they would meet with Limerick Junior soccer chiefs, the Limerick District Management Committee (LDMC) this evening. (Fri Dec 8)

The meetings have been called to discuss the possibility of the eircom League side returning to Jackman which is the headquarters of Limerick Junior soccer.

Drew also confirmed that they had made an official approach to the Limerick Desmond League with a view to opening talks about playing at their ground in Askeaton next season.

Limerick last played at Jackman Park in 2002 before moving to the Pike Rovers Sportsgrounds and then Hogan Park where they have been playing for the last two seasons.

However, the Shannonsiders were told last week that their application to be granted a UEFA licence to play football at Hogan Park next season had been rejected.

It is understood that one of the reasons given for turning down the clubs application was infrastructural.

Drew said: 'We will meet with the Limerick District Management Committee tonight to discuss the possibility of us playing at Jackman Park in the future.

'We have also requested a meeting with the Limerick Desmond League with a view to playing at their ground in Askeaton but we are waiting for them to get back to us.'

Drew also confirmed that the Polish business consortium associated with a takeover bid for the club are still very interested.

He added: 'We are having ongoing talks with the Polish people concerned and the picture should become clearer after tonight's meeting.'

[Kerry Blue]

According to one of today's papers Drew has until 12pm tomorrow to sort out the club's licence (a ground for next season in other words), otherwise the club will not be in the league next year.

[joeSoap]

Which paper?? Thats a load of bollock....not from you Kerry Blue, but from the paper. The league will give Limerick every chance.

[gael353]

id say it will be about 2/3 weeks before we hear anything for good or bad, but i dont think we'll be playing in Hogan park ever again as none of the interested parties (Limerick FC/FAI) have gotten a playing lease :ball: :ball:

[football boy]

Which paper?? Thats a load of bollock....not from you Kerry Blue, but from the paper. The league will give Limerick every chance.
come on joe tell us more. you're better in the no then the rest of us.

[Kerry Blue]

Which paper?? Thats a load of bollock....not from you Kerry Blue, but from the paper. The league will give Limerick every chance.

It was the Mirror, Joe. It's had quite a few dramatic headlines over the past couple of weeks concerning Limerick. They seem to think the club is already dead. I'm just waiting for the headline with the words 'Limerick', 'phoenix' and 'ashes' in them to appear some time soon now.;)


id say it will be about 2/3 weeks before we hear anything for good or bad, but i dont think we'll be playing in Hogan park ever again as none of the interested parties (Limerick FC/FAI) have gotten a playing lease.

I think you're right there Gael. From what I can gather, Drew is trying to work out a deal with the LDMC for Jackman and if he can't then I suppose he'll have to try with the Desmond League and Askeaton.

[BohsFans]

In fairness what can we do? As In Exile said, we'd be lucky to get a Limerick 40 supporters trust going, let alone the (possibly) required 400 that would be needed, so thats the idea of a Supporters Trust dead in the water. As for asking questions, who are we going to ask them to? Danny has said he is done with the club, besides that he never had much time for the SC in the past anyway. So until new owners come in and sort us out (looking doubtful if we are to be honest) Limerick FC shall be dead and buried by tomorrow and there is nothing we as supporters can do about it at this late stage

With that kinda attitude, I can see why the club is in the position it's in!

So what if there's only 40 supporters, maybe it'll grow, work at it, big things don't happen over night.

[Johnnie C]

Why will Fr Young not give the FAI a lease on Hogan Park ?
If Limerick are back at Jackman will they have to play on Sunday afternoons ?

[jebus]

With that kinda attitude, I can see why the club is in the position it's in!

So what if there's only 40 supporters, maybe it'll grow, work at it, big things don't happen over night.

Considering that question and response were given with less than 48 hours before a final decision would be made by the FAI as to whether or not there would even be a Limerick FC anymore I think saying that there was nothing we could do now was a perfectly reasonable response

[BohsFans]

Considering that question and response were given with less than 48 hours before a final decision would be made by the FAI as to whether or not there would even be a Limerick FC anymore I think saying that there was nothing we could do now was a perfectly reasonable response

wrong! This has been going on the whole of last season, will they, won't get a lease etc.

Have you ever heard of a pressure group?

[joeSoap]

The failure to get a licence has been appealed and a decision is expected within 5 days.

I wonder what has been done to change the decision??

[jebus]

wrong! This has been going on the whole of last season, will they, won't get a lease etc.

Have you ever heard of a pressure group?

'wrong!', who are you? Paris Hilton? Anyway that question that I answered was asked in this thread, not last year. Fair enough you can say that we could have been asking that question all year, but if you look through our threads you'll see that we have. My response had to do with a fan asking what we can do 48 hours before our appeal is submitted, and the answer to that one is still a big fat zero

[Goals4fun]

Why will Fr Young not give the FAI a lease on Hogan Park ?
If Limerick are back at Jackman will they have to play on Sunday afternoons ?

jackman has new lights installed, i would expect them to be of good standard, but them again it is the ldmc

[Kerry Blue]

jackman has new lights installed, i would expect them to be of good standard, but them again it is the ldmc

Are they new lights on existing pylons I wonder? Or have new ones been erected? There are more pylons in Jackman Park than there are coming out of Moneypoint.:rolleyes:

[thelimerick]

Its a great shame in the season just gone, that the issue of a ground could not have been sorted before it began. Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club. With Galway now being a part of the Premier set-up and us talking of a return to Jackman Park it just shows where we are in the scheme of things. Take nothing away from Galway, they deserve to be a part of it. However on the way this club is run, we don't, and a return to Jackman Park for me signals the future will be more of the same.
I've been harping on about this for ages now but we could really do with a public meeting from the club explaining whats going on, and where we're going. Seriously lads, this is a f**king joke. 12euro a match next season???

[JoeyFantastic]

So getting away from the name calling and the doom and gloom, what can be done?

Imo, forget Hogan Park, whatever Young wants obviously can't be given if a return to Jackman Park is being mooted. So, if Hogan Park is gone, what's the next best thing? Is it Jackman, Pike Rovers, or where, should the Market's field be tried for one last season (is it due to be knocked?), or Thomond Park, would one of the rugby clubs allow a ground share? Should Limerick try and work a deal with UL or LIT?

Also, leaving Hogan Park may be no bad thing for Limerick FC, the majority of the "floating" Limerick sports supporters (ie summer hurling supporters, HEC rugby supporters etc) will never feel comfortable going to Southill for games, you'd get more at a field in Castletroy than at a stadium in Southill. (not my fault they're snobs, but they are, so lets accept it for now).

Now, how do you get the floating fans who turned Munster from a 400 supporter base to a 40,000 supporter base into following Limerick FC?

[GavinZac]

12euro a match next season???

pretty reasonable :S

[football boy]

Its a great shame in the season just gone, that the issue of a ground could not have been sorted before it began. Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club. With Galway now being a part of the Premier set-up and us talking of a return to Jackman Park it just shows where we are in the scheme of things. Take nothing away from Galway, they deserve to be a part of it. However on the way this club is run, we don't, and a return to Jackman Park for me signals the future will be more of the same.
I've been harping on about this for ages now but we could really do with a public meeting from the club explaining whats going on, and where we're going. Seriously lads, this is a f**king joke. 12euro a match next season???

can you please answer me something .what have the people running the club done so wrong ? from what I read the club has been falling to pioces for years .please answer this.

[declan hide]

Now, how do you get the floating fans who turned Munster from a 400 supporter base to a 40,000 supporter base into following Limerick FC?

huh? arent munster players full time and a lot of them irish internationals? how can limerick fc deliver that?

[gaidin]

Now, how do you get the floating fans who turned Munster from a 400 supporter base to a 40,000 supporter base into following Limerick FC?


Cant see the people from Cork coming to support Limerick fc.

[PinBallWizard]

I have been warned by Pete the moderator that I will be "taking a break for a while" if my personal attacks continue, so I've been biting my tongue. I hope this doesn't constitute a personal attack and I will word it carefully as I can:

Basically, we have been told more bare-faced lies:

RTE said:
Limerick FC may be on the verge of moving back to Jackman Park four years after leaving the venue.

Limerick Chairman Danny Drew said yesterday that they would meet with Limerick Junior soccer chiefs, the Limerick District Management Committee (LDMC) this evening. (Fri Dec 8)

Danny Drew said:
'We will meet with the Limerick District Management Committee tonight to discuss the possibility of us playing at Jackman Park in the future.

'We have also requested a meeting with the Limerick Desmond League with a view to playing at their ground in Askeaton but we are waiting for them to get back to us.'

Drew also confirmed that the Polish business consortium associated with a takeover bid for the club are still very interested.

He added: 'We are having ongoing talks with the Polish people concerned and the picture should become clearer after tonight's meeting.'

I have personally spoken to three committee members of the LDMC. All three have confirmed that there was no official meeting last Friday night. Nobody from the LDMC was expecting to meet Danny Drew. And all three knew of no pending meeting to broach the subject.

This is yet another lie. This may sound like a personal attack but it isn't. It is born out of frustration at being constantly lied at again and again and again by the sole controlling force within the club.

It is sickening. And he is sickenng. I'm off now before I get banned.

[joeSoap]

If this is true, then, yes, it is truly sickening. I don't understand the logic behind it though. Why lie about something you are so easily going to get caught out on?

[thelimerick]

can you please answer me something .what have the people running the club done so wrong ? from what I read the club has been falling to pioces for years .please answer this.

Listen, I don't get any pleasure at all sprouting doom and gloom, I like singing the birdie song when we win, I like hearing about 5 year plans, us up in the Premier etc etc. What annoys me is so far we have had talk, plenty of talk and very little else. What the current ownership has managed to do is turn good ideas into bad.
Its a good idea to hire coaches for the squad, its essential for a squad aiming for promotion. Its a bad idea to get rid of them without replacing them half way though a season.
Its a good idea to release a manager out of his depth. Its a bad idea to not replace him, to instead speak about getting in Jason McAteer or Brian Kerr while in the end choosing to allow the chairman to do the job he's no idea how to do.
Its a good idea to sort out the commercial side of things, get in advertising etc. Its a bad idea to spend a season without kit sponsorship while nailing random sponsor boards onto a wall. It tends not to attract more such investment.
Its a good idea to set up a website. To have a line of communication with your supporters. Its a bad idea to update it once, back in August and never again touch it.
We cant seem to manage the simpliest of tasks, what can you see being done at the club that gives you any sort of hope for the future. Back to the jacks?? Are we going to draw down our grants there do you think?? Where are we going to get investment from? How are we going to attract good players, coaches and managers now??

[LFC in Exile]

Its a great shame in the season just gone, that the issue of a ground could not have been sorted before it began. Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club. With Galway now being a part of the Premier set-up and us talking of a return to Jackman Park it just shows where we are in the scheme of things. Take nothing away from Galway, they deserve to be a part of it. However on the way this club is run, we don't, and a return to Jackman Park for me signals the future will be more of the same.
I've been harping on about this for ages now but we could really do with a public meeting from the club explaining whats going on, and where we're going. Seriously lads, this is a f**king joke. 12euro a match next season???


Agree with most of this. Except this bit. "Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club" - I put a massive proportion of the blame on Joe Young. He will not sign - apparently because he doesn't like DD - and he will not sign over to the FAI. IMO Joe Young has, out of sheer spite, almost (and may yet completely) destroyed senior soccer in the city. Almost any thing else we could get over but not having a ground that can be developed is the single greatest stumbling block for Limerick senior soccer. Joe has it in his gift to finally end our wandering around the city with all the negativity that brings. He refuses to do the honourable thing. Lets get clear on this - the club i.e. DD can be accused of not being nicer to him. Fair enough. That is not the same as denying the club a home out of spite.

[thelimerick]

If this is true, then, yes, it is truly sickening. I don't understand the logic behind it though. Why lie about something you are so easily going to get caught out on?

What like Brian Kerr, Curtis Fleming or Jason McAteer being the next manager?

[gael353]

the appeal has gone in and we should know by next week if its been succesful or not. Looks like its back to the jacks for the time being also.

[thelimerick]

Agree with most of this. Except this bit. "Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club" - I put a massive proportion of the blame on Joe Young. He will not sign - apparently because he doesn't like DD - and he will not sign over to the FAI. IMO Joe Young has, out of sheer spite, almost (and may yet completely) destroyed senior soccer in the city. Almost any thing else we could get over but not having a ground that can be developed is the single greatest stumbling block for Limerick senior soccer. Joe has it in his gift to finally end our wandering around the city with all the negativity that brings. He refuses to do the honourable thing. Lets get clear on this - the club i.e. DD can be accused of not being nicer to him. Fair enough. That is not the same as denying the club a home out of spite.

I completely see where you are coming from and I will take nothing away from Joe Young in the role he is in, he is denying the club a home out of spite and should be treated accordingly for it.
My view on this is that the club should have had this issue grounded a long time ago. Even as far back as taking over the club. Not having a firm ground for the club in the first place and knowingly having to deal with someone like Joe Young on this should have rang alarm bells, this was always going to be a problem, maybe not as much as it has turned out to be, but there was always going to be sticking points considering Joe Youngs previous role at the club.

[PinBallWizard]

Agree with most of this. Except this bit. "Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club" - I put a massive proportion of the blame on Joe Young. He will not sign - apparently because he doesn't like DD - and he will not sign over to the FAI. IMO Joe Young has, out of sheer spite, almost (and may yet completely) destroyed senior soccer in the city. Almost any thing else we could get over but not having a ground that can be developed is the single greatest stumbling block for Limerick senior soccer. Joe has it in his gift to finally end our wandering around the city with all the negativity that brings. He refuses to do the honourable thing. Lets get clear on this - the club i.e. DD can be accused of not being nicer to him. Fair enough. That is not the same as denying the club a home out of spite.

Well, I believe the priest has just cause to not co-operate with Drew. As part if the 'buttering up the priest to secure the lease' process, Drew made a promise to the priest, totally un-football related. He promised to fund a trip to Lourdes for sick children and some elderly folk of the priests parish and for no reason, pulled the plug on the whole thing late in the day, leaving a lot of disappointed people and a very disgruntled priest. In my book thats enough cause for the priest not to co-operate with Mr Drew.

Joe may well have it within his gift to stop our wandering, but Drew had it within his gift to make false promises to sick people and then left them in the lurch.

I know who I blame more.

[gspain]

The motive may well not be spite. The ground is held in trust for Limerick FC. If there is no Limerick FC then in theory it could be sold (rezoned even) for a few million. The trustees get to keep the cash.

[thelimerick]

I have been warned by Pete the moderator that I will be "taking a break for a while" if my personal attacks continue, so I've been biting my tongue. I hope this doesn't constitute a personal attack and I will word it carefully as I can:

Basically, we have been told more bare-faced lies:

RTE said:

Danny Drew said:

I have personally spoken to three committee members of the LDMC. All three have confirmed that there was no official meeting last Friday night. Nobody from the LDMC was expecting to meet Danny Drew. And all three knew of no pending meeting to broach the subject.

This is yet another lie. This may sound like a personal attack but it isn't. It is born out of frustration at being constantly lied at again and again and again by the sole controlling force within the club.

It is sickening. And he is sickenng. I'm off now before I get banned.

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to this club.
With that in mind, don't be too surprised to hear less and less about Polish takeovers

[Roadend]

The motive may well not be spite. The ground is held in trust for Limerick FC. If there is no Limerick FC then in theory it could be sold (rezoned even) for a few million. The trustees get to keep the cash.

I thought it was held in trust for the people of Limerick, not Limerick FC as such.

[jebus]

I thought it was held in trust for the people of Limerick, not Limerick FC as such.

I thought so too, can anyone clear this up as to who it is actually held in trust for?

[joeSoap]

It was left in trust to the youth of Southill, to be overseen by Joe Young as he saw best.

[thelimerick]

It was left in trust to the youth of Southill, to be overseen by Joe Young as he saw best.

Regardless of where the club calls home, the potential to play a positive role in the community has always been there. If the club put structures in place to involve local youth (or youth from so called "disadvantaged" areas who have inadequate local amenities) in an academy style system, the club would also inherit the benefits, both through players and gates. Such projects would not go unnoticed by the like of Joe Young, the FAI and City Hall.

[gspain]

I thought it was held in trust for the people of Limerick, not Limerick FC as such.

I don't know the details of the trust so you may well be correct. I've seen different things reported.

However as was the case with Flower Lodge if it is sold then the trustees trouser the cash.

[barryk]

Agree with most of this. Except this bit. "Responsibilty for that lies equally with Joe Young and the club" - I put a massive proportion of the blame on Joe Young. He will not sign - apparently because he doesn't like DD - and he will not sign over to the FAI. IMO Joe Young has, out of sheer spite, almost (and may yet completely) destroyed senior soccer in the city. Almost any thing else we could get over but not having a ground that can be developed is the single greatest stumbling block for Limerick senior soccer. Joe has it in his gift to finally end our wandering around the city with all the negativity that brings. He refuses to do the honourable thing. Lets get clear on this - the club i.e. DD can be accused of not being nicer to him. Fair enough. That is not the same as denying the club a home out of spite.

I would not pretend to be an expert but as Trustee are you not expected to do whats in the best interest of your benifactors.
If I was entrusted with anything I certainly would not sign it over to DD and co.
Take it from me the FAI will NOT give Limerick a licsence with the current Board.

[gael353]

I would not pretend to be an expert but as Trustee are you not expected to do whats in the best interest of your benifactors.
If I was entrusted with anything I certainly would not sign it over to DD and co.
Take it from me the FAI will NOT give Limerick a licsence with the current Board.

Tell us something we dont know Barry. The present trustee glug glug :rolleyes: also wont sign it over to the FAI so this ends all interest in Hogan park. Theres also a lot of immature and ill informed stuff being printed in local and national papers thats so far off the wall and is hyped by junior meddlers etc Also limerick dont have a board, we have 3 do gooders and hard workers and one financier who has put in a ton of money in the last two years.
all i say is wait for a few days and more light will be shed on all things Limerick FC

[football boy]

Regardless of where the club calls home, the potential to play a positive role in the community has always been there. If the club put structures in place to involve local youth (or youth from so called "disadvantaged" areas who have inadequate local amenities) in an academy style system, the club would also inherit the benefits, both through players and gates. Such projects would not go unnoticed by the like of Joe Young, the FAI and City Hall.
please don't pick this up wrong but that's crap .dave ryan /wayne colbort /john boyle 3 out of 16 players for how many matches .I don't think they grew up with a silver spoon .o ya and shane geirn 25% of a panel .

[football boy]

Listen, I don't get any pleasure at all sprouting doom and gloom, I like singing the birdie song when we win, I like hearing about 5 year plans, us up in the Premier etc etc. What annoys me is so far we have had talk, plenty of talk and very little else. What the current ownership has managed to do is turn good ideas into bad.
Its a good idea to hire coaches for the squad, its essential for a squad aiming for promotion. Its a bad idea to get rid of them without replacing them half way though a season.
Its a good idea to release a manager out of his depth. Its a bad idea to not replace him, to instead speak about getting in Jason McAteer or Brian Kerr while in the end choosing to allow the chairman to do the job he's no idea how to do.
Its a good idea to sort out the commercial side of things, get in advertising etc. Its a bad idea to spend a season without kit sponsorship while nailing random sponsor boards onto a wall. It tends not to attract more such investment.
Its a good idea to set up a website. To have a line of communication with your supporters. Its a bad idea to update it once, back in August and never again touch it.
We cant seem to manage the simpliest of tasks, what can you see being done at the club that gives you any sort of hope for the future. Back to the jacks?? Are we going to draw down our grants there do you think?? Where are we going to get investment from? How are we going to attract good players, coaches and managers now??

was there a supporters club this year?did anyone on this site offer help?I went to matches paid 12 euro that's all_ I didn't offer help .I wished I had now.I realy don't think anyone here can stand up and say the last year has been worse then the last 10 But if you look at it this way lf we did have a supporters club a proper one would the club be this bad.I don't think so.if were lucky enough to have a club next year I for one want to do my bit to help .

[football boy]

Well, I believe the priest has just cause to not co-operate with Drew. As part if the 'buttering up the priest to secure the lease' process, Drew made a promise to the priest, totally un-football related. He promised to fund a trip to Lourdes for sick children and some elderly folk of the priests parish and for no reason, pulled the plug on the whole thing late in the day, leaving a lot of disappointed people and a very disgruntled priest. In my book thats enough cause for the priest not to co-operate with Mr Drew.

Joe may well have it within his gift to stop our wandering, but Drew had it within his gift to make false promises to sick people and then left them in the lurch.

I know who I blame more.

I don't know dd but I find that very hard to believe .like limerick are still in hogan pk .I'd think if he did do that limerick would have been kicked out.looking at all you're posts you have only been on about dd all the time .I think there is more between the two ofyou that you're not saying .

[thelimerick]

please don't pick this up wrong but that's crap .dave ryan /wayne colbort /john boyle 3 out of 16 players for how many matches .I don't think they grew up with a silver spoon .o ya and shane geirn 25% of a panel .

I'm talking about a social community program, maybe even a partnership with City Hall, its not about the class structure of the first or youth team. A seperate program altogether actively involving the community in a productive way. Look this is not an in depth criticism of the club just merely an idea that I think could benefit club and city.