From RTE : Limerick to go bust

[John83]

So...there is no democracy to be allowed in your world? People are entitled to their opinions and it is hard not to be critical or smug when the club has been denegrated so badly by so few.
Er, that's not what democracy means. I think you're referring to free speach... which means exactly what the forum mod and ultimately Dahamsta want it to on here. Anyway, just my €0.02, but the people who want to point and laugh can do so in the eL subforum version of this thread.

I've read someone suggest that this is a ploy to put pressure on certain people regards the lease. Anyone care to comment on that?

[LFC in Exile]

So...there is no democracy to be allowed in your world? People are entitled to their opinions and it is hard not to be critical or smug when the club has been denegrated so badly by so few. You have no right to tell people to p1ss off from remarking on this issue.


Leaving aside the democracy/free speech difficulty, I absolutely 100% accept that anyone has a right to express their opinion and I'll back that to the hilt no matter how inane and wrong their opinion. The point I was making was that the harping about how the club is a shambles etc etc is an exaggeration and is also irrelevant. Your view on why things got to where they are depends on when you start the clock - when Grace took over, when Joe got the lease, when MOS appointed a commercial director or when DD first burst into a dressing room. That is a lovely but academic argument - we are where we are. Some on here obviously care about the club and want to work on a future for it. Schadenfreude is not welcome in the current situation. :ball:

[LFC in Exile]

I've read someone suggest that this is a ploy to put pressure on certain people regards the lease. Anyone care to comment on that?

I wouldn't be surprised but at this stage the existing lease is running out and the club have no alternative potential ground. Also, it is easy to see a situation where the threat to pull the plug is a credible one. And I'm not sure we can take the chance.

The situation we need to avoid is one similar to three seasons ago when we were touch and go regarding a licence and players, who rightly were concerned about the club moved on and we were left scrambling for players two weeks before the start of the season. If the club has a huge question mark hanging over it will Purcell, Kelliher, Heffernan, Barrett, Lester etc hang around? Or would another club take the chance to sign up a handy free agent?:(

[lim abroad]

i for one would be sad to see the club fold and will back any initiative that supporters might have to save it

[joeSoap]

Schadenfreude Sweet Jesus :eek:

[LFC in Exile]

Sweet Jesus :eek:

There isn't a better word for it.:)

[lfc at heart]

Ive just wasted my time reading 3 pages of complete bull**** and I still dont know were and when this supporters meeting is on, you people are a joke, organise something and stop talking ****** please

[Lim till i die]

Ive just wasted my time reading 3 pages of complete bull**** and I still dont know were and when this supporters meeting is on, you people are a joke, organise something and stop talking ****** please

See other Thread the one with the big sign next to it and EMERGENCY MEETING IN BLOCK CAPITALS ;) :p

A time and date can't be set until we get confirmation from people wanting to attend

It'll have to be within the next ten days though

(See Nempton, I've taken your point and am being alightly pro-active :) )

[smellyfeet]

Who cares. We wish we had a clubhouse. We wish we had a schoolboys team. We wish we had our own grounds. We don't. We have to deal with reality. Whether the junior scene is better run than LFC or whether it isn't is completely irrelevant. I have my view of junor football in the city. Others have their's - it adds nothing to the current concerns. Can we leave it there. :ball:

Don't get me wrong, i don't like to see Limerick FC in the state it is in at the moment, i was just stating a point. It would be the worst thing ever to happen in Limerick sport if Limerick FC were to go out of business as they are in the league for so long now...I think that Limerick have been through so much in the last 10 years that it would be unimaginable for them to fold now.
I know alot of the players that play for Limerick and it would be a shame for them aswell not to be able to represent their home town in the national league....Hopefully something can be done to SAVE LIMERICK FC.:ball:

[Lim till i die]

Don't get me wrong, i don't like to see Limerick FC in the state it is in at the moment, i was just stating a point. It would be the worst thing ever to happen in Limerick sport if Limerick FC were to go out of business as they are in the league for so long now...I think that Limerick have been through so much in the last 10 years that it would be unimaginable for them to fold now.
I know alot of the players that play for Limerick and it would be a shame for them aswell not to be able to represent their home town in the national league....Hopefully something can be done to SAVE LIMERICK FC.:ball:

You'll be at our meeting aswell so??

And you'll bring a couple of mates?? :)

[thelimerick]

First off.
Remember we are being asked to take Danny Drew at his word on this, the very man who believes it is a good idea to pass spectacular lies to the national media in order to get publicity for the club. Hiring Brian Kerr are we? Jason McAteer, Curtis Fleming?
Secondly,
Danny Drew stepping down does not necessarily mean the death of the club.
Lets look at the characters that have been attracted to this club, look at their records and note the one consistant has been incompetence.
Ask yourself why someone like JP McManus invests in sport throughout limerick and ignores our club repeatedly. Why would any sensible human being simply give this club money when its history is dogged with rogues and money pinchers, when lotto monies disappear, and financial records remain private and unaccountable. This club has been run into the ground by mercilessly greedy individuals and so the people we've always needed to steer this club upwards have kept their distance.
If Limerick does fold I believe there is the opportunity for individuals to invest properly in a fresh start for a Limerick team, one without the strings attached and hangers-on that Drew has had to contend with throughout his reign. Start again from scratch under a new name if needs be. If this club folds it will hurt but we will not remain unrepresented for long, I firmly believe that. One Season without would be a small price to pay for a fresh approach by intelligent people with a proper vision and furthermore the capacity to delivery on it. We have never had that with people like Joe Young and crew continuing to hang onto this club like a tick on a mangy dog.

[Lim till i die]

It doesn't matter whether you believe Drews word or not if he wants to walk, he'll walk

Why go out of the eague when we don't have to? I take it you'll be presenting us all with your ideas for a bright new future within the next couple of weeks?

[Poor Student]

For those talking about starting afresh, it's the worst possible time to drop out of the league. From 2008 a third tier will be added to the LOI with the only opportunity for promotion to win a playoff. It could be a long way back to senior football for a new club.

[Lim till i die]

For those talking about starting afresh, it's the worst possible time to drop out of the league. From 2008 a third tier will be added to the LOI with the only opportunity for promotion to win a playoff. It could be a long way back to senior football for a new club.

THAT'S what I've been trying to tell everyone :eek:

[thelimerick]

Why go out of the eague when we don't have to? I take it you'll be presenting us all with your ideas for a bright new future within the next couple of weeks?

Why spend the end of every couple of seasons with the threat of dropping out of the league and folding, after watching the people who run it mishandle is again and again? If we did get out of this league it offers the opportunity of investing in a club without parasites. Stay and it will only be as it alway is, a stay of execution, with incompetent people messing it up time and time again.

[thelimerick]

For those talking about starting afresh, it's the worst possible time to drop out of the league. From 2008 a third tier will be added to the LOI with the only opportunity for promotion to win a playoff. It could be a long way back to senior football for a new club.
And how long now have we lay rotting in this division? Regardless of what happens we still need to gain promotion on merit, be it in our current state or in a new capacity

[Lim till i die]

Why spend the end of every couple of seasons with the threat of dropping out of the league and folding, after watching the people who run it mishandle is again and again? If we did get out of this league it offers the opportunity of investing in a club without parasites. Stay and it will only be as it alway is, a stay of execution, with incompetent people messing it up time and time again.

Well nows your chance to have a say, get a voice, interested??

[Poor Student]

And how long now have we lay rotting in this division? Regardless of what happens we still need to gain promotion on merit, be it in our current state or in a new capacity

There's a few problems. How do you even get into the A Championship? Will they allow newly formed entities to slot in there like Dublin City and Cork City have in the past or will they only allow clubs in through the Intermediate/Junior levels? If you then get in there, how can your club prosper playing Premier Division reserve teams and other minnows? Can you get out of there fast with the narrow promotion opportunities? Also, UL or a junior club could step in there and fill the void before you get your act together. Limerick should try to hang on and stay where they are. Bad as it seems it could be a while before you even got back in at that level.

[thelimerick]

Well nows your chance to have a say, get a voice, interested??
Whats the plan?

[joeSoap]

Dropping out simply would not be an option because however honourable and good peoples intentions are, it would simply be too much of an ask to get things back up and running from scratch.

Survival at any cost is the key, even if it means playing 11 unpaid amateurs every week and losing each game if necessary. This club has been on its knees before and there are enough good people out there to make sure it doesn't go bad again.

[Lim till i die]

Whats the plan?

At present................am.......................lo ts of hot air followed by drinks and a pool tournament sound ok???

Besides I thought you were the man with the plan :p

Nah, get together and maybe look at a supporters trust/400 club style thing? Raise awareness among the local public, bombard the politicians, generally rabble rouse, you know stuff like that

[smellyfeet]

You'll be at our meeting aswell so??

And you'll bring a couple of mates?? :)

Sorry but can't say i will. Don't live in the area.
But honestly wish the lot of you involved at the club the best
as their are good people involved in the club as i used to play
their many moons ago myself and enjoyed it alot.:ball:

[Lim till i die]

Sorry but can't say i will. Don't live in the area.
But honestly wish the lot of you involved at the club the best
as their are good people involved in the club as i used to play
their many moons ago myself and enjoyed it alot.:ball:

Did you go pro afterwards??

Don't have a spare million lying around do you :confused: :p

[smellyfeet]

Did you go pro afterwards??

Don't have a spare million lying around do you :confused: :p

Nope on both accounts.

[Lim till i die]

Nope on both accounts.

BLAST

There's Plan A gone out the window

[jebus]

BLAST

There's Plan A gone out the window

Well then we'd better start putting plan B in place and get you out on the streets pimping your wares :)

[thelimerick]

Survival at any cost is the key, even if it means playing 11 unpaid amateurs every week and losing each game if necessary. This club has been on its knees before and there are enough good people out there to make sure it doesn't go bad again.

Sorry Joe buts its exactly this attitude that has had this club shuffling its feet like a Leper to the grave for decades now. Keep it propped up and patched, on the cheap, just to survive. Well sorry, but thats not good enough.
This club has being dying for too long, you say there's enough good people out there to make sure it doesn't go bad again, its bad now Joe, its been bad for as long as I can remember.
We need a fresh start. One season out and a Limerick Football Club will be much more attractive a proposition than in its current state with the same old problems and faces causing them. What kind of proposition is our club now to anyone, investors, advertisers, players, managers, supporters???
We're a bad joke Joe. It's time for it to stop once and for all.

[Magicme]

I think you will see a lot of clubs having to cut back on the squad tho next year and alot more U21's will b playing on the senior squads to help ease the cash burden so it would do Limerick no harm to look at this option.

Take a few years of batterings and get the money together to put the club on a better footing financially and then who knows.

[joeSoap]

Sorry Joe buts its exactly this attitude that has had this club shuffling its feet like a Leper to the grave for decades now. Keep it propped up and patched, on the cheap, just to survive. Well sorry, but thats not good enough.
This club has being dying for too long, you say there's enough good people out there to make sure it doesn't go bad again, its bad now Joe, its been bad for as long as I can remember.
We need a fresh start. One season out and a Limerick Football Club will be much more attractive a proposition than in its current state with the same old problems and faces causing them. What kind of proposition is our club now to anyone, investors, advertisers, players, managers, supporters???
We're a bad joke Joe. It's time for it to stop once and for all.
I have to disagree here. If Limerick FC drops out for one season, then I will bet you any amount that it won't be back at all. The foot has to be kept in the door, otherwise the door will shut in the face of the club. What tiny bit of interest there is at the moment will disappear with no club being in the league.

Dropping out is simply not a viable option.

[sadloserkid]

Dropping out is simply not a viable option.

Nail on head. If we go we're gone for the forseeable future, it won't be a simple case of waving a wand and sorting things out (with no income or players either it should be noted) and then strolling back in at our leisure. We have to stay in the league at all costs.

[Lim till i die]

We have to stay in the league at all costs.

I just found out i've €110 in the bank :confused:

[thelimerick]

From what I'm hearing, Danny Drew claims Limerick FC are NOT in debt, that they will not "go bust" but that he does wants out. Again impossible to know the truth as we can only go on his word. We have to remember that this is all going through the press and that this has been Drew's way of getting a message out to particular people, rather than actually speaking of truths and reality.
If he does go and the club is not in debt then presumably should an acceptable offer come in for the club, its not finished. However would new owners not face the same old problems? I don't want to see the club gone, but I equally don't want to see the club being beaten by teams like Athlone and Monaghan week in week out for the next few years as we string out a patchwork youth/sunday football team until something is sorted for us by divine intervention.
We have probably the biggest potential in the country, why should we settle for this depressing soap opera

[LFC in Exile]

From what I'm hearing, Danny Drew claims Limerick FC are NOT in debt, that they will not "go bust" but that he does wants out. Again impossible to know the truth as we can only go on his word. We have to remember that this is all going through the press and that this has been Drew's way of getting a message out to particular people, rather than actually speaking of truths and reality.

This does suggest that the issue is the ground. Pure and simple. In fairness to DD the club is going nowhere if Joe won't give us a lease on the ground and we would just stumble along in the first for the remainder of the lease - obviously DD does not want that - as it is not worth the effort. I think you and he agree on that....

[4tothefloor]

This does suggest that the issue is the ground. Pure and simple. In fairness to DD the club is going nowhere if Joe won't give us a lease on the ground and we would just stumble along in the first for the remainder of the lease - obviously DD does not want that - as it is not worth the effort. I think you and he agree on that....
True, and you can see his point but........Drew has shot himself in the foot regarding the lease through his attitude towards Joe Young and later, even the FAI. Drew is abrupt, has no people skills and alienates people - he's even done it to hardcore fans and hard workers in the club. He made a balls of the lease negotiations with his attitude, put the priest's nose out of joint in the process and now we are where we are. The fact that he is playing everything out in the media is both sad, and a joke, and it should tell you all you need to know about him. Instead of being able to sit down and negotiate in a civilized manner and like a proper businessman, he is scare mongering through the media. Is this the way to do things? Absolutely not.

Lets just say Joe Young does hand over the lease (not going to happen though). Do we really have a big future with this guy as chairman? Because I don't see it. I see problems, problems, problems.....

[LFC in Exile]

True, and you can see his point but........Drew has shot himself in the foot regarding the lease through his attitude towards Joe Young and later, even the FAI.

yeah, I see what your saying. But I'd hate to have to negotiate with Joe myself. He'd have Mother Theresa kicking babies I'd say.

I don't know DD but my impression of him is in line with some of what you're saying. In one way that makes him ideal Chairman material (a la Ollie Byrne) but it only really works when you have the strong hand. Somethign LFC haven't had in a long long time.

[4tothefloor]

In one way that makes him ideal Chairman material (a la Ollie Byrne) but it only really works when you have the strong hand. Somethign LFC haven't had in a long long time.
Exactly, and it's Joe Young who has the strong hand here, which is why he should have been molly-collied and kept onside. Instead his nose was put out of joint.....

[LFC in Exile]

Exactly, and it's Joe Young who has the strong hand here, which is why he should have been molly-collied and kept onside. Instead his nose was put out of joint.....

Is it possible to do that with someone who has a personality of the type Joe has? What does he benefit from not signing it over (even to teh FAi if he hates DD)? What is implied isthat he is not signing it out of bad-mindedness or because he personally dislikes DD. Hardly a christian attitude and also a sign of a very odd personality (to be kind). How do you molly-coddle or keep onside someone who acts out of spite?

[thelimerick]

Its a ridiculous situation, the chairman whose damaging the club having to molly colly the priest who's damaging the club. What this club needs is neither of them.

[4tothefloor]

Its a ridiculous situation, the chairman whose damaging the club having to molly colly the priest who's damaging the club. What this club needs is neither of them.
Here, here. You're sound like the man to take them out thelimerick. You up for it? :D

[Goals4fun]

From RTE...........

Limerick to go bust with no lease
Wednesday, 08 November 2006 11:15

Limerick could go out of business at the end of this season unless they secure a lease on Hogan Park.

Chairman Danny Drew warned that they will fold unless the current state of uncertainty surrounding the club is resolved by 1 December 2006.


The Blues were told by Fr Joe Young, a trustee at the ground, in February of this year that he would grant them at least a 25-year lease on the ground.

Because Limerick don't have a lease, they cannot draw down over €400,000 in sports grants they have earmarked for development work at the venue.

Drew said: 'I will honour all the players contracts with the club up until the end of this season but I am giving it a December deadline and then I will step down in my present capacity unless we are granted a lease in our name.


http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/1108/limerick.html?rss

I thought all this had been sorted out.........FAI had the lease and we were welcome tenants etc......

well the 1st has come and that is the dead line. is danny just being a boy who crys wolf the whole time or is that it for limerick?? anybody in the know ?

[Lim till i die]

well the 1st has come and that is the dead line. is danny just being a boy who crys wolf the whole time or is that it for limerick?? anybody in the know ?

Hey for all we know the club could actually be dead :o

[Goals4fun]

Hey for all we know the club could actually be dead :o

true the gates have been closed and might never be reopened. When will they have to regiuster for the next league campaign ? that will probably tell a lot and will give a more realsitic date that dec 1st !

[Kerry Blue]

When will they have to regiuster for the next league campaign ? that will probably tell a lot and will give a more realsitic date that dec 1st !

I presume this will be sometime in the new year as John Delaney said that a decision on whether a new club is going to join the league won't be made until the end of the month.