The squads

[youngirish]

What's the story with that fat waster Paddy Kenny? Has he been dropped? If so good riddance to him he was pure s**te against the Dutch and the Cypriots. 9 goals conceeded in 2 games. Now John O'Shea to follow him.

[bwagner]

kenny should be dropped but no logan .....why
Liam Lawerence is a good player that staunton made get an irish passport ,he has only picked him once

[Paddy Garcia]

Where is Liam Lawrence. He deserved a run out before now.

[frankbrett]

Frecklington

http://www.redimps.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/ProfilesDetail/0,,10440~27429,00.html

Emanuel

http://www.lutontown.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/ProfilesDetail/0,,10372~18728,00.html

[Stuttgart88]

WTF does Colgan offer?

I believe Randolph is highly rated but why no Conrad Logan?

[Risteard]

I can't find my pin for the Lincoln City website in my inbox archive.

[theworm2345]

Paddy Kenny could have been good here, and probably raised his confidence. However, Staunton has called up pretty much the exact same squad who played our last 2-3 games, which really hasnt worked that well. Ireland still rarely plays at Man City, Clarke deserves it just as much as Lee, Murphy and Connolly have been playing more than Elliott and Sunderland (he was injured, and they have not been scoring :() Martin Rowlands has half the appearences (injuries) and 4 more goals than Douglas (who has 0). Where is Shane Long in the B team? And why would you not call up Dixon for a B match if you are so confident in him? Is Ian Harte still hurt? Strange thing, the FAI. I'm really not too worried though, that B team could beat San Marino, and if they (the A team) dont, Staunton won't be there through Thanksgiving.

[tetsujin1979]

And why would you not call up Dixon for a B match if you are so confident in him?
out with a broken knee cap

Is Ian Harte still hurt?
Can't say for certain, but he didn't play at the weekend?

[Stuttgart88]

And why would you not call up Dixon for a B match if you are so confident in him? Long term injury, dislocated kneecap.

[pineapple stu]

KIETH FOY!!!!
He plays for Sligo Rovers and i quality! He was Captain of the Ireland U-16 team that won the European championship a few years back! it included Duff and Keane!
No it didn't. It included John O'Shea and Joe Murphy. Duffer was on the U-20s in 1997 and 1999, while Keane was on the U-18s in 1998.


I believe Randolph is highly rated but why no Conrad Logan?
I'm biased obviously, but I'm curious as to how Randolph - the U-19s keeper - can jump ahead of Darren Quigley (and Colin Doyle), the U-21s keepers?

[drinkfeckarse]

Haven't heard much about Ward about Bohs this season so that's a surprise for me.

[eirebhoy]

What's the story with that fat waster Paddy Kenny?
Waster? Come on, he didn't purposely play badly against Cyprus. Leave it out on the guy. You're posts give off such a huge sense of anger. :)

[eirebhoy]

I find it ridiculous that if Frecklington was Irish born I'm absolutely certain he'd be nowhere near this squad.

[Dr. Ogba]

I think yer man Emanuel is a left-full and highly regarded at his club so I could see Stan's thinking in bringing him through....its funny though I never heard he had Irish connections at all....

And who the f**k is Frecklington???!!!:eek:

[youngirish]

Waster? Come on, he didn't purposely play badly against Cyprus. Leave it out on the guy. You're posts give off such a huge sense of anger. :)
No but he was c*ap. I have no anger towards the fat pulp but have no desire to see him in action for Ireland again (Supple and Logan should be given a chance in his place to see if they can do better).


I think yer man Emanuel is a left-full and highly regarded at his club so I could see Stan's thinking in bringing him through....its funny though I never heard he had Irish connections at all....
He's as Irish as the St George's Cross.

[greendeiseboy]

dumb and dumber flatter to deceive with their squads - where is jay tabb. he was in the reckoning last month when caled into the senior aquad against the czechs who are in the top ten teams but he cannot make the A or B squad for these games against substantially inferior opposition to the czechs. Came on as a sub for Coventry last night and was impressive in his distribution and overall contribution earning him praise from both commentators.

kenny being dropped from both squads is a disgrace - why should he be made a scapegoat.

[eirebhoy]

It's a bit strange if he has gone from no.2 right out of the squad because of 1 or 2 mistakes. Maybe Warnock asked him not to be called up after the injury after the last game.

greendeiseboy - That's the thing, Tabb is a Coventry sub atm. All the midfielders in the squad are more deserving of a place, bar O'Brien who is slowly being faded out I presume. Actually, just noticed Frecklington is a midfielder. Tabb can certainly feel hard done by if he's in competition for his place. Lincoln are in league 2 and he has started 20 league games in his career.

[adamcarr]

Haven't heard much about Ward about Bohs this season so that's a surprise for me.

Cracking player, was about to go to Norway this season for €250k but decided against it. One of the better U21 players and can play on the wing or up front.

[Stuttgart88]

Good point about Tabb.

Glad to see Quinn in the senior squad. I'd like to have seen Ireland in the B squad and McPhail in the senior squad, but I suppose if the intention is to see McPhail play rather than warm the bench then I suppose that's OK.

[Billsthoughts]

He's as Irish as the St George's Cross.

So he is georgian then?

[eirebhoy]

Cracking player, was about to go to Norway this season for €250k but decided against it. One of the better U21 players and can play on the wing or up front.
I don't know about him on the wing. He seems like the perfect lone striker to me.

[Paddy Garcia]

dumb and dumber flatter to deceive with their squads - where is jay tabb. he was in the reckoning last month when caled into the senior aquad against the czechs who are in the top ten teams but he cannot make the A or B squad for these games against substantially inferior opposition to the czechs. Came on as a sub for Coventry last night and was impressive in his distribution and overall contribution earning him praise from both commentators.

kenny being dropped from both squads is a disgrace - why should he be made a scapegoat.

Agree with both points, very well made. Very poor, lacking in consistency & inspitarion.

About as motivational as some of the comments from youngirish. Who may get a call up to Stans management team, the way he is sounding.

[youngirish]

So he is georgian then?

Was he not from Palestine? Anyway Emmanuelle is as Irish as his cross.

[Dodge]

No Michael Doyle, Jay Tabb, Clive Clarke, Shane Long or Derek Geary - all of whoom are irish born and playing regularly (or at the least semi-regularly) at a high level.

Shocking selection

[Rossi]

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Morrison is in the A squad ahead of Stokes who is in the B squad.Surely Stokes merits a place ahead of Morrison

[Dr. Ogba]

I find it ridiculous that if Frecklington was Irish born I'm absolutely certain he'd be nowhere near this squad.


but surely representing an Irish B Team will not mean he's tied down to us?

If that's what you're getting at....:cool:

Saying that I'd have no explanation as to why an unheard of League 2 player warrants a B squad place...

[endabob1]

I guess that means that Ronnie O'Brien is not ever going to play for Ireland. I didn't realise he was almost 28 which explains his abscence from the B (Development) Squad I guess, but given he has been in the all-star games in the MLS he must be at a reasonable standard, there are some decent players in the MLS.

Paddy Kenny's ommission is a surprise, the lack of an explanation from the master of communication that is the Ireland Manager is unfortunately anything but a surprise.

[youngirish]

Agree with both points, very well made. Very poor, lacking in consistency & inspitarion.

About as motivational as some of the comments from youngirish. Who may
get a call up to Stans management team, the way he is sounding.

Yeah good one. Let's persist with players who have been proven to be s**t for us. Like Kenny. Did you watch the games he played in? Obviously not because he was diabolical.

F**k him out maybe it'll be a wake up call to some of the others and instead of complaining when Staunton develops the balls to actually shift some of the s**t maybe it makes more sense to back him. I for one don't think it weakens the squad if Kenny was to be replaced by Logan or Supple which is surely what matters the most. If Staunton continues on this course we might get JOS and Kilbane out of the squad also to be replaced by some potentially good young talent. Or would you criticise him for that as well?

[Dodge]

FFS PAddy Kenny is obviously a miles better keeper than the likes of Colgan. There's a reason why he's a definite starter in the premiership. He's had a couple of nightmares for Ireland but anyone who blames either defeat on him needs to have their head examined

[youngirish]

FFS PAddy Kenny is obviously a miles better keeper than the likes of Colgan. There's a reason why he's a definite starter in the premiership. He's had a couple of nightmares for Ireland but anyone who blames either defeat on him needs to have their head examined
He was one of the main culprits along with Andy O'Brien and JOS who I also wouldn't mind if they were omitted. Colgan shouldn't be in the squad either. I'd have Given, Logan, Supple.

[Dr. Ogba]

Yeah good one. Let's persist with players who have been proven to be s**t for us. Like Kenny. Did you watch the games he played in? Obviously not because he was diabolical.

F**k him out maybe it'll be a wake up call to some of the others and instead of complaining when Staunton develops the balls to actually shift some of the s**t maybe it makes more sense to back him. I for one don't think it weakens the squad if Kenny was to be replaced by Logan or Supple which is surely what matters the most. If Staunton continues on this course we might get JOS and Kilbane out of the squad also to be replaced by some potentially good young talent. Or would you criticise him for that as well?

Hate to say this but I agree with ye! I wouldn't be shedding any tears if Kenny was dropped but only if he was dropped for promising keepers such as Logan and Supple.
Colgan? He's the definition of journeyman and doesn't merit being anywhere near the squad. I'd even have Stack there instead of him because at least he has youth on his side...

[livehead1]

I live in Lincoln and the press are constantly raving about Frecklington up here. He's just signed a new contract, when i went to see them play, he stood out by a mile, i think the lad has talent.

[endabob1]

I honestly don't think Kenny could be singled out for the Cyprus game, dropping him makes no sense especially if the replacement is Colgan.

Andy O'Brien has been one of Irelands most consistent players in the last 2 years, him & Dunne were rocks in Stuttgart, yes he had a shocker against Cypurs but don't drop him unless we have someone to replace him with.

[Stuttgart88]

From Irish Times online:

Staunton has afforded Kenny time off to aid his recovery from a string of niggling injuries and to also deal with personal issues.

[dr_peepee]

Some shocking omissions and inclusions. Typical of Stauntons reign. No consistency. It's gonna be a long four years.

I don't see what's to be gained by the inclusion of the like of Stokes, Billy Clarke, arguably Keogh, for me anybody under 21. I really don't. They're playing with players they've never been exposed to and probbly won't ever again. They have platforms in their respective age groups and so their taking up valuable space in a limited platform. I mean bar a few of them, Hunt, McPhail, Emanual, they're all 21 or there about. I'd rather see quinn and lee dropped to the B squad for a full game. Or take a look at the like of Tabb, David Bell. I thought the whole point was to GIVE A PLATFORM FOR THOSE CURRENTLY WITHOUT ONE!!!!!!!! Snappin:mad:

There are alot of youngish players who have every right to feel agreived. What was his criteria for selction? Standard?? Experience??

Never heard of yer man Emanuel but as a young left back with so much experience is definately worth a look.

[dr_peepee]

Still snappin over the B squad.:mad: .. Mark my words it's gonna be like an England friendly. Way too many substitutions. Players won't be on long enough to form a substantiated opinionon. Some of them won't even get off the bench. Gonna be an utter waste of time. Harrumph!!!

I'm just praying we see something worth while from McPhail (He's gonna be like Micheal Jackson in there he's surrounded by that many kids) or the new left full.

[Stuttgart88]

But what if the best underage players are the best of those outside the senior squad? Personally I felt all along that the best, but only the best, U21s should be looked at to see if they can play above that level. But Randolph's inclusion is odd.

And when do the U21s play next anyway?

Sometimes I think they make some wild-card selections just so they can say "hey, at least we know what's out there".

I hope Paddy McCarthy plays a stormer.

[greendeiseboy]

greendeiseboy - That's the thing, Tabb is a Coventry sub atm. All the midfielders in the squad are more deserving of a place, bar O'Brien who is slowly being faded out I presume. Actually, just noticed Frecklington is a midfielder. Tabb can certainly feel hard done by if he's in competition for his place. Lincoln are in league 2 and he has started 20 league games in his career.[/QUOTE]

mc shane - either a sub or not on panel - had one good game for us - why cant he get into a championship team if he's supposed to be so good

andy o brien - ditto - got his first start last week and was crap

aiden mcgeady - sub - ok recovering from injury but still on bench

john o'shea - now an almost permanent sub

s ireland - where has he gone

s elliot - injured as far as i know - dont think he's good enough anyway

c morrison - where do i start

j o cearuill - who? what? when and where?

alan o'brien - on missing persons posters all over newcastle

tell me now Tabb dosent warrant inclusion.

[dr_peepee]

I'm not saying they're not the best of the rest by any stretch. I'm saying we'll learn as much from them playing with their own peirs as we would playing in a B international squad where the large majority of them are 21 anyway, so there's little to be gained by there inclusion in this case. I keep saying this but they have a platform and a medium to the internnational set up already. Cases can be argued for some like Ward maybe or Keogh, but look at the majority of the squad?? I mean are we really see the best of McPhail if he's surrounded by inexperience.

Surely you would rather see 90 minutes of Alan Lee, Jay Tabb, Rowlands et al.

The back four will hopefully be worth a look, assuming he starts who I think will start but you just never know.

[Dr. Ogba]

Supple

Foley
Sledger
McCarthy
Emanuel

Potter
Gamble
McPhail
Hunt

Stokes
Ward

Interesting enough if he was to go with something like that. Definitely something to learn from plenty of those players so wouldn't call it a waste by any means. BTW would prefer Potter at CM but not too sure if there's any RM in that squad?

[CraftyToePoke]

I live in Lincoln and the press are constantly raving about Frecklington up here. He's just signed a new contract, when i went to see them play, he stood out by a mile, i think the lad has talent.


yeah, i live in this area too and Frecklington was actually on loan at Stamford Town, who are my local Dr. Martens Prem side last season, he excelled here (he would need to to aspire to league football never mind international football,but thats another arguement). ive seen him play several times for Stamford and twice for Linclon City also.

he went back off his loan and kicked on in the Lincoln side and began hitting goals from midfield, he started very well this season also and the word is that Reading are the most recent side tracking him. dont know if he will make the move up the leagues or not, but he is certainly attracting the interest at present.

this inclusion almost certainly stems from Stauntons employing John Deehan as lower league scout, they know each other from their time at villa and Deehan is currently the director of football at Lincoln City.

[adamcarr]

Supple

Foley
Sledger
McCarthy
Emanuel

Potter
Gamble
McPhail
Hunt

Stokes
Ward

Interesting enough if he was to go with something like that. Definitely something to learn from plenty of those players so wouldn't call it a waste by any means. BTW would prefer Potter at CM but not too sure if there's any RM in that squad?

Roy O'Donovan has played right wing all season for City but has scored 7 goals in 6 games since being moved up front.

[Stuttgart88]

Dr. Peepee, it's a tough one. Lee probably deserves his place in the senior squad for his height & strength, and we should remember that there is a senior game the next day, even if it is only San Marino. Same about Alan Quinn.

I hear what you're saying about McPhail but you could also say that we're better off looking at him actually playing than being a sub (at best) on the Wednesday. Equally, the less experienced B midfielders could use McPhail's experience.

In any naming of 40+ players for duty there'll always be some that are debatable, but it's the absolute outliers that have me scratching my head.

Glenn Whelan is a notable omission too.

greendeiseboy, several of your questions have been answered on foot.ie in recent threads.

[Dr. Ogba]

Roy O'Donovan has played right wing all season for City but has scored 7 goals in 6 games since being moved up front.

Ah yeah missed him there. He'd defo be worth a run given our lack of options on the right. See what he can do.




Glenn Whelan is a notable omission too.
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Whelan has not been getting his game during Sheff Weds decent run of late. Is he injured maybe or just lack of form?

[Metrostars]

Surprised there is no sign of Shane Long, is he injured or something?

[eirebhoy]

tell me now Tabb dosent warrant inclusion.
Yes he does. A Coventry sub isn't good enough for Ireland though so he needs to be getting games.

[Paddy Garcia]

“Ronnie O’Brien, who plays in America, was in our plans and would have been selected only for he picked up a hamstring injury"

Pat Devlin

[Dodge]

Surprised there is no sign of Shane Long, is he injured or something?

Nope, biggest shock of them all. No Geary, Doyle, Tabb, Flood, Noel Hunt. All of whom have legitimate claims

[eirebhoy]

“Ronnie O’Brien, who plays in America, was in our plans and would have been selected only for he picked up a hamstring injury"

Pat Devlin
Ah damn. Was that for the B squad or main squad? He doesn't seem like the type to me that would travel so far to play a B match. He doesn't seem to be really bothered about playing for Ireland at all tbh.

[Paddy Garcia]

Ah damn. Was that for the B squad or main squad? He doesn't seem like the type to me that would travel so far to play a B match. He doesn't seem to be really bothered about playing for Ireland at all tbh.

The B squad