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mick noonan is chairman of the ldmc a week and pike have an objection gone in already its a funny old world.a team gets knocked out of a cup these days and the first thing they do is appeal it,junior football is becoming a fiasco
not really surprising is it
I would like to coment on the other half of then clonmel situation.Alan Coady who was sent off against St Michael s never even served an automatic one match ban before appeal.Paul Quinn got sent off against pike two weeks before Balla played ST Michael s in MJC.The thing is Balla were supposed to play Star the week before but the game was called off,so Paul Quinn could not play against St Michael s on appeal because he did not serve his automatic one match ban.MJC Council told Balla commitee that was the case.If Alan Coady played against pike he was illegal end of story.Along with the Ken Kiely situation Clonmel should be thrown out and Pike put into the semi s.RULES ARE RULES.
C.T.F.C
31/03/2007, 8:22 AM
If the match you are refering to was canceled then thats called a postponement. However if the opposing team fails to field a team then a walkover is awarded and this constitutes a fulfilled fixture i.e Coadys one match suspension. If you are going to quote rules try to get it right. I cant comment on the Ken Kiely situation at the moment but if Town are to suffer any sanctions it definetley wont be as a result of Coadys participation in the match.
Limeref
31/03/2007, 9:28 PM
If the match you are refering to was canceled then thats called a postponement. However if the opposing team fails to field a team then a walkover is awarded and this constitutes a fulfilled fixture i.e Coadys one match suspension. If you are going to quote rules try to get it right. I cant comment on the Ken Kiely situation at the moment but if Town are to suffer any sanctions it definetley wont be as a result of Coadys participation in the match.
Here is my opinion.
In the past, the LFA (I know different Association) and the FAI have deemed that a competitive match is a match that is actually played (needs not be concluded). If a teams fails to show, a suspension is NOT automatically served (this caused a rumpus in the LSL last season). If this happens the suspension is carried over to the next competitive fixture.
Rule 47 (3) sending off offences (a)(ii) states "In all other matches played under the auspices of the Football Association of Ireland an expulsion automatically incurs a suspension from the next competitive match. A player sent from the field of play shall serve an automatic suspension at the same level of football i.e. a player sent from the field of play in a 1st team fixture may not serve an automatic suspension in a reserve team fixture and vice-verse."
Also if Ken Kiely played for Limerick in the FAI Senior Cup Last year, he is ineligible for the MFA Junior Cup this season (Rule 2 of the Munster Junior Cup Rules), did he not play against Drogheda in the first game last year and in the second game coming on a last minute replacement for John Lester?.
However the sting in tail for Pike is Rule 18 of the MFA general competition rules "Teams playing ineligible players will be fined for each offence and may be removed from the competition.".
The word MAY permits the MFA to allow Clonmel remain in the competition. However I don't think this will happen.
gaidin
02/04/2007, 9:29 AM
When is this objection going to be heard?
Tipp Man 2
02/04/2007, 10:11 AM
If the match you are refering to was canceled then thats called a postponement. However if the opposing team fails to field a team then a walkover is awarded and this constitutes a fulfilled fixture i.e Coadys one match suspension. If you are going to quote rules try to get it right. I cant comment on the Ken Kiely situation at the moment but if Town are to suffer any sanctions it definetley wont be as a result of Coadys participation in the match.
see the next comment after yours!!!!! fact enough???
C.T.F.C
02/04/2007, 1:54 PM
see the next comment after yours!!!!! fact enough???
It certainly would be if we played in Lenister but WE DONT. The hearing is tommorrow night in Cork. Lets wait and see shall we:D
would hate to see clonmel go out of cup like this. but rules are rules i suppose its a pity cause they had great chance of making 4 mjc finals in a row which would have been great achievement
gaidin
03/04/2007, 8:35 AM
would hate to see clonmel go out of cup like this. but rules are rules i suppose its a pity cause they had great chance of making 4 mjc finals in a row which would have been great achievement
Could there be a possibility of a replay with Pike?
A bit like what happened with Carew a few years back when they had an objection against them in the fai.
They werent kicked out but had to replay the game.
backodanet
04/04/2007, 8:28 AM
LUCOZADE SPORT MUNSTER JUNIOR CUP
Semi - Finals Draw
Leeside v Ballynanty Rvs fixed for Midleton FC's ground Midleton, Co.Cork on Sunday 15th April 2007 at 3-00pm.
Maymount Celtic v Clonmel Town (subject to protest)
gaidin
04/04/2007, 8:37 AM
It certainly would be if we played in Lenister but WE DONT. The hearing is tommorrow night in Cork. Lets wait and see shall we:D
Any word on the outcome of this meeting or did it go ahead?
the hoops
04/04/2007, 9:08 AM
went ahead last nite
Town Fan
04/04/2007, 9:55 AM
What was the decision? Does anybody know who was on the Clonmel delegation? Hope they sent people who could provide a strong case
the hoops
04/04/2007, 11:04 AM
wont hear till maybe tomorrow
it should be settled with a replay,i know rules are rules but no one would want to advance to the next round on a technicality,although it is pike we're on about
Roadend
04/04/2007, 4:17 PM
it should be settled with a replay,i know rules are rules
If rules are rules then why should it be replayed:confused:
pearse4t3
04/04/2007, 4:20 PM
i dont no the ruling on Ken Kiely, but a walk-over constitutes a game played which definately makes Coady legal.
would u rather go thru by beating a team and proving ur better,or by objection,I just think it should be sorted on the pitch....and if pike had won,which they should of,would anyone have complained
Tipp Man 2
05/04/2007, 8:19 AM
i dont no the ruling on Ken Kiely, but a walk-over constitutes a game played which definately makes Coady legal.
the walk over was only officially ratified by the TS&Dl committeee on monday 2nd April and points were added therefore he was illegal... it all comes back to the clonmel town secretary making a big **** up (or chances his arm) on both counts .... simple as that.....
Town Fan
05/04/2007, 8:44 AM
the walk over was only officially ratified by the TS&Dl committeee on monday 2nd April and points were added therefore he was illegal... it all comes back to the clonmel town secretary making a big **** up (or chances his arm) on both counts .... simple as that.....
Pike won their objection on both counts, Town are out
Roadend
05/04/2007, 8:45 AM
would u rather go thru by beating a team and proving ur better,or by objection,I just think it should be sorted on the pitch....and if pike had won,which they should of,would anyone have complained
That's not the point, if you break the rules you suffer the consequences. What would be the point of having rules in the first place if every time someone broke them we'd say "ah sure replay the game, they broke the rules but who wants to progress after the they were kicked out because of cheating"
Honestly you have no grounds for an argument whatsoever.
silvercircle
05/04/2007, 9:34 AM
it should be settled with a replay,i know rules are rules but no one would want to advance to the next round on a technicality,although it is pike we're on about
how can it be a technicality..Pike won the appeal on BOTH counts..CTFC fielded 2 illegal players...the fact it is Pike is the basis for your argument...the rules were broken..I have to have sympathy for the CTFC players..if anyone is to blame it is not Pike its the idiot that allowed both players to play.
Tipp Man 2
05/04/2007, 10:27 AM
how can it be a technicality..Pike won the appeal on BOTH counts..CTFC fielded 2 illegal players...the fact it is Pike is the basis for your argument...the rules were broken..I have to have sympathy for the CTFC players..if anyone is to blame it is not Pike its the idiot that allowed both players to play.
here here.. its the secretary or manager whoever is responsibile is to blame.....
C.T.F.C
05/04/2007, 11:09 AM
how can it be a technicality..Pike won the appeal on BOTH counts..CTFC fielded 2 illegal players...the fact it is Pike is the basis for your argument...the rules were broken..I have to have sympathy for the CTFC players..if anyone is to blame it is not Pike its the idiot that allowed both players to play.
You are spot on- it wasnt a technicality. The munster council have decided that Town broke the rules. Pike were well within their rights to lodge a protest, in much the same way as Town have the right of appeal and beyond.
here here.. its the secretary or manager whoever is responsibile is to blame.....
We try not to crucify people for genuine mistakes at this club.
Tipp Man 2
05/04/2007, 11:14 AM
You are spot on- it wasnt a technicality. The munster council have decided that Town broke the rules. Pike were well within their rights to lodge a protest, in much the same way as Town have the right of appeal and beyond.
We try not to crucify people for genuine mistakes at this club.
fair enough ! !
munsterman000
05/04/2007, 12:56 PM
from Clonmel Town Website......
Town Thrown Out Of Munster - 5th Apr
Pike Rovers of Limerick have won their appeal that Clonmel Town played an illegal player in their recent Munster Junior Cup Quarter Final two weeks ago. As a club we feel very disappointed with the judgement of the Munster Football Association and we feel that we owe to the management and players to take this issue as far as we can. We acknowledge a mistake was made but it was an honest one and the brutality of the decision is not a reflection of this. Also, the club's good name and integrity has now been brought into question and we must now act accordingly to clear our name. It seems comical that one player can be eligible for the FAI Junior Cup, Oscar Traynor Trophy, his own Domestic league and cups but not the Munster Junior Cup. What a joke.
Seems that there will be an appeal
silvercircle
05/04/2007, 1:30 PM
from Clonmel Town Website......
Town Thrown Out Of Munster - 5th Apr
Pike Rovers of Limerick have won their appeal that Clonmel Town played an illegal player in their recent Munster Junior Cup Quarter Final two weeks ago. As a club we feel very disappointed with the judgement of the Munster Football Association and we feel that we owe to the management and players to take this issue as far as we can. We acknowledge a mistake was made but it was an honest one and the brutality of the decision is not a reflection of this. Also, the club's good name and integrity has now been brought into question and we must now act accordingly to clear our name. It seems comical that one player can be eligible for the FAI Junior Cup, Oscar Traynor Trophy, his own Domestic league and cups but not the Munster Junior Cup. What a joke.
Seems that there will be an appeal
Derek Mccarthy of Pike was eligible to play FAI....OT....and Limerick Prem...but not in the MJC...he has played no part in Pikes MJC campagin !!!!!:ball:
same to be said for shane geurin and dave ryan of ballynanty. rules are rules at the end of the day. how many other games on the way to the quarter final did ken kiely play?
Innishvilla
05/04/2007, 4:25 PM
same to be said for shane geurin and dave ryan of ballynanty. rules are rules at the end of the day. how many other games on the way to the quarter final did ken kiely play?
I think that is another big question... How many other games in the cup run did they play an illegal player?
Goals4fun
05/04/2007, 6:15 PM
I think that is another big question... How many other games in the cup run did they play an illegal player?
does not make a diference unless you appeal before the window. Then it is too late.
This one is not over yet. Expect the MJC to be delayed...
Noddy
06/04/2007, 10:31 AM
clonmel know they won't win the appeal. so whats the point in appealing they don't have a leg to stand on.
the only 1
06/04/2007, 7:24 PM
clonmels keeper is illegal as well he played with st,pats
lim abroad
06/04/2007, 11:43 PM
every year there seems to be issue's with illegal ex loi players,i agree that pike are well within their rights to appeal,i just can't understand how clubs still make this mistake
Town Fan
07/04/2007, 6:04 AM
clonmels keeper is illegal as well he played with st,pats
He is not the same Richie Ryan
the only 1
07/04/2007, 1:49 PM
He is not the same Richie Ryan
makes no difference does it?:) heard yere players are rightly ****ed off over this not turning up for games how could ye be so thick 2illegal players
That's not the point, if you break the rules you suffer the consequences. What would be the point of having rules in the first place if every time someone broke them we'd say "ah sure replay the game, they broke the rules but who wants to progress after the they were kicked out because of cheating"
Honestly you have no grounds for an argument whatsoever.
i stand corrected
tipp man
10/04/2007, 7:29 AM
Having listened to Tipp FM last night it would appear that Clonmel Town are resolved to fight this all the way!
on what grounds? what is going to be there reason/excuse?
anyone know when we'll know the outcome of clonmels appeal??
Limeref
11/04/2007, 2:40 PM
anyone know when we'll know the outcome of clonmels appeal??
Rule 30 of the FAI rule book deals with appeals.
Clonmel had 4 days from the time they received notification of the MFA decision with regard to Pikes protest to Lodge their appeal.
The FAI has 14 days to hear this appeal
The determination is issued within 3 days of the appeal being heard.
Cost €500 (refunded if appeal is sucessfull)
Total 21 days
Any party affected by the FAI decision can then go to arbitration (Rule 31 of the FAI rulebook)
A request for arbitration must be made within 10 days from the date of receiving the FAI decision (above)
An arbitrator hears the case with 10 days of receipt of the request.
A determination is made with 5 days
Cost €5,000
Total 25 days
Overall it could take 46 days or by my reckoning until May 21/22/23 to resolve!
abbeyvale
11/04/2007, 5:04 PM
Sunday April 15th
MJC Semi Final
Leeside FC v Ballynanty Rovers (3pm Midleton)
Town Fan
11/04/2007, 6:15 PM
Having listened to Tipp FM last night it would appear that Clonmel Town are resolved to fight this all the way!
I missed that, what was said? I heard that Town have decided not to appeal
There is alot of talk about appeal s, Clonmel ,Pike etc...What about the other team s Lee Side,Maymount,Balla du they get a mention.Who going to be the first team in the final.Any prediction s.
the only 1
12/04/2007, 1:11 AM
I missed that, what was said? I heard that Town have decided not to appeal
if you read clonmels report on the game on there website they havent kielys or coady name on the team sheet comical:D :D
C.T.F.C
12/04/2007, 11:44 AM
clonmels keeper is illegal as well he played with st,pats
Incorrect
makes no difference does it?heard yere players are rightly ****ed off over this not turning up for games how could ye be so thick 2illegal players
Again incorrect Of course the players are gutted about this but as for not turning up for games??? You might want to quote sources other than the voices in your head.
if you read clonmels report on the game on there website they havent kielys or coady name on the team sheet comical
Finally he gets one right:rolleyes: In a last ditch attempt to save their season Town have decided to make the players disappear by not including them on the teamsheet. Of course if you read the precedding report they are both mentioned in it: Must be a very slow news day in your part of the world:confused: You can go and put your big wodden spoon away now.
zizu's head
12/04/2007, 11:52 AM
Incorrect
Again incorrect Of course the players are gutted about this but as for not turning up for games??? You might want to quote sources other than the voices in your head.
Finally he gets one right In a last ditch attempt to save their season Town have decided to make the players disappear by not including them on the teamsheet. Of course if you read the precedding report they are both mentioned in it: Must be a very slow news day in your part of the world You can go and put your big wodden spoon away now.
:D :D
the only 1
12/04/2007, 4:43 PM
Incorrect
Again incorrect Of course the players are gutted about this but as for not turning up for games??? You might want to quote sources other than the voices in your head.
Finally he gets one right In a last ditch attempt to save their season Town have decided to make the players disappear by not including them on the teamsheet. Of course if you read the precedding report they are both mentioned in it: Must be a very slow news day in your part of the world:confused: You can go and put your big wodden spoon away now.
you cares ye are out:) :)
jug2004
12/04/2007, 5:42 PM
Who cares I think its quiet funny actually that he managed to make a pl****r out ya really!!!:D :D :D
the hoops
12/04/2007, 7:09 PM
bit sad that clonmel are still checking mjc site
obviously there sad. they were in last 3 mjc finals and name was written on it this year again. there best junior team in munster by a mile. pike probably bottle it yet anyway as usual and get beat in semi or final
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