Michael Doyle

[obwon]

Why hasn't mick doyle been called into the squad..
Staunton is a joke..calls Jay Tabb and some lad of Luton in the squad and leaves Coventry's skipper like a tick..!!

[NeilMcD]

Foley plays at the back and Doyle does not so thats not a comparison and Jay Tabb is an attacking player who can also play wide in midfield. As far as I know Doyle is a central midfielder so its Andy Reid Alan Quinn and Lee Carsley who are there ahead of him.

[dr_peepee]

I think Doyle is a left sided midfielder....

[eirebhoy]

I think Doyle is a left sided midfielder....
He was about 2 or 3 years ago but afaik he's playing regularly in the centre for some time now.

[Dodge]

Central midfielder. Keeps Tabb out of the team usually. Should be in the squad

[Stuttgart88]

He's both.

Neil's right. Tabb was called up to replace Kevin Doyle, Kevin Foley was in for Carr I think.

Having a pop at Staunton for basics such as persisting with the notion that Kilbane can play central midfield is fair game in my opinion, but for not picking Michael Doyle is harsh.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Michael Doyle has captained Sheffield United to the FA Cup semi-finals today, participating in a 2-0 victory over Charlton.

[Charlie Darwin]

Why hasn't he been called up? O'Neill is a joke!

[Crosby87]

Is that the longest time between posts in foot.ie history?

[Yard of Pace]

He was a tick, though, he was right there.

[Stuttgart88]

Where is obwon these days? What were his other contributions?

And Neil McD? Married with kids now I reckon and following rugby.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Where is obwon these days? What were his other contributions?

IDK but it always amazes me that there are so many posters who never comment in the International section. Its the main attraction!!

I see a lot of myself in eirebhoy. Looking through his forum posts, I have the same kind of opinions and enthusiasm about Irish football.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And Neil McD? Married with kids now I reckon and following rugby.

No, know him and still going to Ireland & Bohs games pretty regularly, still in the Dublin area.

Yeah and what Paul said, a YBIG regular.

[paul_oshea]

Neil is [I]going[I] to games doesnt gave time to post....

He is over on ybig.

Ya idk talked a lot of sense.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And also know Mick Doyle's uncle, who I hope Mick is nothing like...

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

And also know Mick Doyle's uncle, who I hope Mick is nothing like...

An Irish International who shall remain unnamed was socialising with one of my mates - I can verify through Facebook that they are friends - and my mate asked him why Simon Cox was starting ahead of Shane Long (this was a couple of years ago). With a deadly straight face, he shook his head and said that Trapattoni thought that Cox was Long and nobody, not even Tardelli, could convince him otherwise.

[paul_oshea]

Ah come on towk

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Ah come on towk

I wish it wasn't true.

[Charlie Darwin]

An Irish International who shall remain unnamed was socialising with one of my mates - I can verify through Facebook that they are friends - and my mate asked him why Simon Cox was starting ahead of Shane Long (this was a couple of years ago). With a deadly straight face, he shook his head and said that Trapattoni thought that Cox was Long and nobody, not even Tardelli, could convince him otherwise.
You aren't half gullible.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You aren't half gullible.

Trapattoni is an old man. Cox and Long are/were strikers playing at the same club. Same age. Both good looking lads. You put it past him?

He banished Marc Wilson from the squad because he thought he was someone else.

Trust me. I had the same reaction as you but my mate has a good head on his shoulders (unlike me) and he said he was really serious.

[ArdeeBhoy]

TbF to TWOK heard similar stories via my pal's FAI contact re. Trapp being 'prematurely senile' which we would usually dismiss, so the tone of his story rings true.

[Charlie Darwin]

Trapattoni is an old man. Cox and Long are/were strikers playing at the same club. Same age. Both good looking lads. You put it past him?

He banished Marc Wilson from the squad because he thought he was someone else.

Trust me. I had the same reaction as you but my mate has a good head on his shoulders (unlike me) and he said he was really serious.
How do you explain him playing both players in the same game, was he drunk and reckoned he was seeing double?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

How do you explain him playing both players in the same game, was he drunk and reckoned he was seeing double?

The way it was explained was that Trapattoni thought Cox was starting every week for West Brom and scoring goals and Long was the squad player at West Brom who often times wasn't even making the bench.

He thought Marc Wilson was Keith Treacy and vice-versa.

There were a few other gems but the Cox and Long anecdote was the only really interesting thing that he parted with.

[Charlie Darwin]

The way it was explained was that Trapattoni thought Cox was starting every week for West Brom and scoring goals and Long was the squad player at West Brom who often times wasn't even making the bench.

He thought Marc Wilson was Keith Treacy and vice-versa.

There were a few other gems but the Cox and Long anecdote was the only really interesting thing he parted with.
Right, and when they both turned up for training and Cox was clearly not the guy playing every week, what did he do? And when Cox moved to Forest, did Trapattoni still think he was started for West Brom every week? Or, possibly, maybe he got them mixed up every now and then but when it came to picking his team he knew who he wanted. Managers mix up players' names all the time - Bobby Robson was famous for it - but they're also pretty good at judging the game when the players are right in front of them.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Right, and when they both turned up for training and Cox was clearly not the guy playing every week, what did he do? And when Cox moved to Forest, did Trapattoni still think he was started for West Brom every week? Or, possibly, maybe he got them mixed up every now and then but when it came to picking his team he knew who he wanted. Managers mix up players' names all the time - Bobby Robson was famous for it - but they're also pretty good at judging the game when the players are right in front of them.

Charlie, there were 23-30 players called up in the average squad. He didn't know who half of them were playing for.

For instance, unnamed player. *Hint* Not Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Duff or Keane; or Granny ruler.

[Charlie Darwin]

Charlie, there were 23-30 players called up in the average squad. He didn't know who half of them were playing for.

For instance, unnamed player. *Hint* Not Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Duff or Keane; or Granny ruler.
You forgot to answer my questions.

[CraftyToePoke]

I see a lot of myself in eirebhoy. Looking through his forum posts, I have the same kind of opinions and enthusiasm about Irish football

Not a link I'd have made myself, if I'm honest :)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You forgot to answer my questions.

How would he know which one is the one playing every week from seeing them in training? As for the Forest move, IDK. I believe the timeframe I was told about this was 2nd half of 2011 or first half of 2012. I think Cox was still at West Brom at this point.

[CraftyToePoke]

IDK but it always amazes me that there are so many posters who never comment in the International section. Its the main attraction

True, I put this down to the highly insular nature of many L.O.I. fans T.W.O.K. They are the keepers of the flame and it's their flame. No one else's.

[Charlie Darwin]

How would he know which one is the one playing every week from seeing them in training? As for the Forest move, IDK. I believe the timeframe I was told about this was 2nd half of 2011 or first half of 2012. I think Cox was still at West Brom at this point.
I imagine he'd be able to tell them apart once he saw them in training and said to himself "this Cox fella hasn't won a header all day" or "this Long fella has won a lot of headers today". It's the little details that give these things away.

Are you prepared, in any shape or form, to accept that maybe you and your mate is being had on?

[geysir]

Not a link I'd have made myself, if I'm honest :)
Not in a million years, but if anybody was going to run with self delusion on such a grandiose scale, it would be TOWK.

[Crosby87]

Trap once confused TOWK with Piers Morgan.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Not in a million years, but if anybody was going to run with self delusion on such a grandiose scale, it would be TOWK.

geysir, I know you don't like me but you don't have to keep making such cynical and stupid comments. There is honestly no need for it whatsoever.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I imagine he'd be able to tell them apart once he saw them in training and said to himself "this Cox fella hasn't won a header all day" or "this Long fella has won a lot of headers today". It's the little details that give these things away.

Are you prepared, in any shape or form, to accept that maybe you and your mate is being had on?

I don't know the player in question but my mate is good friends with him and his family going back to secondary school. We may have been had but I don't know why the player in question would make such a statement to my friend if it wasn't true. My friend was adamant that he was serious.

I'm going to ask him about it again actually.

[Crosby87]

Can you ask him if Trap has ever ate in Crackbird? I heard that he wandered in there looking for a steak sandwich and nobody, not even Tardelli, could convince him it was a chicken place. :beer:

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Can you ask him if Trap has ever ate in Crackbird? I heard that he wandered in there looking for a steak sandwich and nobody, not even Tardelli, could convince him it was a chicken place. :beer:

....... I'll get right on top of that, Crosby.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't know the player in question but my mate is good friends with him and his family going back to secondary school. We may have been had but I don't know why the player in question would make such a statement to my friend if it wasn't true. My friend was adamant that he was serious.

I'm going to ask him about it again actually.
Anybody who knows football players knows they like to wind people up - it's part of the culture of football. At least the ones that don't take themselves too seriously do anyway. Cases of confused identity aren't uncommon in football, but not on the scale your friend is suggesting. If what you're suggesting is true, Trap is the greatest manager of all time, able to put out a time consisting in part of players he doesn't even know and still make it to a major finals. The suspension of disbelief that requires is staggering.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Anybody who knows football players knows they like to wind people up - it's part of the culture of football. At least the ones that don't take themselves too seriously do anyway. Cases of confused identity aren't uncommon in football, but not on the scale your friend is suggesting. If what you're suggesting is true, Trap is the greatest manager of all time, able to put out a time consisting in part of players he doesn't even know and still make it to a major finals. The suspension of disbelief that requires is staggering.

He might have wound me up because I would have just been a random fan (and it's easy to wind me up) but my mate is actually really close with him and I don't know why he would lie to me. :(

I would find it hard to believe but slapstick things have happened with Wilson, Treacy, Walters, Andy Reid and Kelly so it's not by any means a wild stretch of the imagination.

I never exaggerated. Trapattoni did know all the key players. It was the fringe players whose identities he had trouble remembering.

[Charlie Darwin]

He might have wound me up because I would have just been a random fan (and it's easy to wind me up) but my mate is actually really close with him and I don't know why he would lie to me. :(
Because it's funny! People around here wind each other up all the time and most of us don't know one another.

Look, I have no doubt that Trap does mix people up - in fact, he has done it in public as you've said. Again, look up Bobby Robson and all the mix-ups that he's been involved in. Even when he was far from old age, he was confusing his own players. Some of the stories attributed to him are probably exaggerated too, but there's a grain of truth there too. Nevertheless, Robson was a great coach who could instantly tell whether a player was doing the job or not, and he's not going to confuse two very different players like Cox and Long on the pitch, regardless of whether he confuses their names or mixes one up with the other on a particular DVD.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I don't think the player was on a wind-up (a) because of the close friendship and (b) my mate says he is the dryest sh*te this side of the Sahara.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Well I'm going to hit the hay.

My presence on the site will be greatly diminished over the next week or so because I need to study Microsoft excel and complete this Business Law assignment.

Behave and try not to miss me too much when I'm gone.

[Charlie Darwin]

You're bringing in new information now. You're mate's friend might just be a bit thick. The picture he's putting forward requires so many assumptions that you'd need to be very crazy or gullible to accept them.

[Stuttgart88]

Not a link I'd have made myself, if I'm honest :)
I was tempted to paraphrase Lloyd Bensen at that point.

[paul_oshea]

Right, and when they both turned up for training and Cox was clearly not the guy playing every week, what did he do? And when Cox moved to Forest, did Trapattoni still think he was started for West Brom every week? Or, possibly, maybe he got them mixed up every now and then but when it came to picking his team he knew who he wanted. Managers mix up players' names all the time - Bobby Robson was famous for it - but they're also pretty good at judging the game when the players are right in front of them.

You still including Trap here?

I don't believe that story, but some of his decisions tactically and around players were baffling particularly during games - so it might not be that far fetched!

[geysir]

geysir, I know you don't like me but you don't have to keep making such cynical and stupid comments. There is honestly no need for it whatsoever.
I haven't a clue about you personally, your posts are what define you here, I'll make as many comments in reply to your posts as I see fit and appropriate
and seeing a lot of yourself in Eirebhoy's posts takes the delusional biscuit.

[Stuttgart88]

back to the original thread title: isn't being in Coventry by definition to be ignored?

[Charlie Darwin]

You still including Trap here?

I don't believe that story, but some of his decisions tactically and around players were baffling particularly during games - so it might not be that far fetched!
Some of his baffling decisions paid off too. The fact is he was working with a squad of players who, by and large, he didn't really rate so he tended to have his favourites based on graft rather than ability, and that was reflected in his selections.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I reminded my mate about the story and had a good laugh about it. He's insistent it's true. Personally, I believe him.

Another funny story is that Trapattoni used to call unnamed player "Stefano" even though that wasn't remotely close to his Christian name. Apparently he used to call all the new(ish) players "Stefano" or "Steve" (Stephen)" regardless of their real names because he gave up on trying to remember them, and possibly because of the proliferation of players called Stephen.

He said he actually liked Trapattoni but some of the players morale totally sank when he was in charge including, understandably, Shane Long.

And geysir, I understand it's your right but it's just constant negativity. I know what you think of my posts. It's just another opinion. Don't let it get to you!

I also see a lot of myself in Stutts. I think we disagree on a few big things but generally we agree on everything else.

Don't laugh.

[dr_peepee]

How much of yourself do you see in Stutts?

[Stuttgart88]

My Lloyd Bensen remark earlier probably went over peoples's heads. He was Dukakis'(?) running mate who famously put down Dan Quayle in the VP debate live in TV in the late 80s. Quayle was comparing his career to date with JFK's early career, in context of defending his lack of hard experience. Bensen caustically replied with something like "I worked with Jack Kennedy. I was a friend of Jack Kennedy. I served under Jack Kennedy. Senator Quayle, you're no Jack Kennedy". It was a stunning blow.

I spent years yapping about football here and on soccercentral.ie with eirebhoy. TOWK, you're no eirebhoy.

We do actually agree on many things but unlike you I respond to direct questions even if it means I have to acknowledge a competing opinion trumps my own. I don't ignore questions that require me to admit I'm wrong, and I regularly am wrong.

Also, I make my arguments honestly and systematically. I don't twist ambiguous quotes to suit stupid agendas. I don't even have any agendas. You consistently lace your arguments with sophism and speculation and refuse to desist when you get called on it. Our approach to debate could not be more different.

I'll acknowledge that you do seem to know your stuff and I appreciate the links you post to stories we may not have seen otherwise, but the only similarity between us that I can identify is an inability to use one sentence when ten can be used instead.