New Manager [Archive]

PinBallWizard

05/09/2006, 9:23 AM

The man who couldn't get Pike to win an FAI?? Several times?? You got to be ,joking.

The best man for the job in my opinion would be a Dolan/O'Connor partnership like they had at Cork. If not that then I 'd like to see someone with local knowledge. Could Eoin Hand be tempted back into management...he'd be a super signing.

The club is screwed unless it gets this sorted out sooner rather than later cos it looks like the chain smoking, anorak wearing wiry haired chairman is beginning to fancy himself as the new gaffer....now theres a disaster waiting in the wings.:eek:

see's it

05/09/2006, 2:10 PM

he has a great knowledge of the game,good local knowledge and with players who have a more professional approach then pike i think he could do really well

fitzknows

05/09/2006, 3:20 PM

Reckon it will be hard for the club to attract a good manager when the chairman has been picking the team for god knows how long now.

sadloserkid

05/09/2006, 4:47 PM

gspain

05/09/2006, 5:44 PM

Dermot Keely went to some lengths to distance himself from the post anyway. Somebody told me today that Drew wanted the new man (whoever he may be) to live in Limerick which probably reduces the options somewhat as I can't imagine there's too many out there who are going to be willing to relocate to Limerick to take the job.

I think the new manager has to live locally.

I don't think it will be that difficuolt to get the right candidate to live locally if everything else is right.

smellyfeet

06/09/2006, 10:34 AM

I think the new manager has to live locally.

I don't think it will be that difficuolt to get the right candidate to live locally if everything else is right.

What about Finnan the old Fairview manager?

joeSoap

06/09/2006, 11:23 AM

Its all well and good bandying about local names, but lets not forget that whoever gets the job must have the right coaching badges. It's a vital part of the licensing criteria. Not too many locals fit the bill there apart from Noel O'Connor and Mike Kerley. To entice somebody from outside to move to and live in Limerick is going to be very expensive.

I know that a winless run of ten games forced the position that saw Noel O'Connor vacate the position, but what about the undefeated run of ten prior to that, the defeat of Drogheda in the cup and the advancement to the League Cup semi final?? There wasn't too many calling for his head back then.

Football is a fickle business that is dictated by results on the pitch. However, it is equally crucial that the next manager can be afforded, has the right qualifications, and is prepared to live locally or else make a whole lot of sacrifices. The longer the hunt goes on, the more unstable things become.

Let's hope that it is sorted out sooner rather than later and then the club can start progressing again.:ball:

LFC in Exile

06/09/2006, 11:24 AM

Do any of the junior fellas have coaching badges?

If we are going to go local I think we will at least need someone who has the badges - I am not saying they are a guarantee (we all know who had tehm and wasn't a great manager) but it is a step-up and we should be looking for a professional approach.

My preference is still for a manager with eL experience (if only to avoid the curse of St Munchin). Haven't all of our successful managers been non-Limerick men. Proof of the curse if ever it was needed. :)

thelimerick

06/09/2006, 4:34 PM

I know that a winless run of ten games forced the position that saw Noel O'Connor vacate the position, but what about the undefeated run of ten prior to that, the defeat of Drogheda in the cup and the advancement to the League Cup semi final?? There wasn't too many calling for his head back then.

Let it go joe, the fact remains that NOC simply wasn't and isn't good enough.
A good fitness coach he may well be, i don't know, but a good manager he is not. You know quite well that a winless run of ten was not what determined him a "bad manager", Noel O'Connor was determined a bad manager in his actions across the board for the last two years and before. Getting rid of a bad manager is never a bad move, even if we don't have the ideal replacement in just yet.

PinBallWizard

07/09/2006, 3:01 PM

A bad manager would be better than no manager at all, and I reckon theres a few within the club that feel that they would have at least beaten UCD if the butcher was around.

It's true, he is a bad manager, but moreso, a bad man manager. If he learnt how to deal with people, and handle situations with a little more sensitivity and common sense, he could be a fine manager. Derek McCarthy and Paul mFinnucane are two inexcusable blots on his Limerick FC career that will always be remembered.

I'm glad he's gone, don't get me wrong. But it will only be a good thing if his replacement is adequate. I think it will be either extremely hard or extremely exopensive, probably both, to replace him with someone with the local knowledge and his coaching ability. Again, I say he shouldn't have been sacked, or forced to resign. He should have had a Dolan like figure there with him officially.

And please, please Danny...don't do what I have a sneaky feeling you're going to and announce that no appointment is going to be made until next season with yourself handling team selection til then....don't make an even bigger laughing stock of this club and yourself.

Proud cove

07/09/2006, 6:41 PM

manager, Gavin Dykes, is in the running for the job. If he gets it, ye better alert the air traffic control in Shannon.

True View

07/09/2006, 10:28 PM

Would have thought that Tommy Lynchs name would have been mentioned for the post.
He has managed & won this division with Waterford & is tactically good also lives locally.

Tommy would be my choice:ball:

lim abroad

07/09/2006, 11:48 PM

i agree with true view,tommy had put together a decent team on little or no money a few years back before he left,a real players manager too which i think would establish a bit of team spirit that we apperar to be lacking.spending the last few years in junior soccer will have done him no favours however

swift

08/09/2006, 12:33 AM

manager, Gavin Dykes, is in the running for the job. If he gets it, ye better alert the air traffic control in Shannon.

Actually Dykes has been offered terms and has told the committee of the developments and told them to match it or hes gone.

smellyfeet

08/09/2006, 8:33 AM

Actually Dykes has been offered terms and has told the committee of the developments and told them to match it or hes gone.

He's got a bit of a journey on his hands.
Mayo to limerick 3/4 times a week?

joeSoap

08/09/2006, 8:52 AM

Actually Dykes has been offered terms and has told the committee of the developments and told them to match it or hes gone.
And the 'rumour' mill kicks in............:rolleyes:

gael353

08/09/2006, 11:22 PM

Well this isnt a rumour........guess which former Limerick Manager and his noble yet talentless mad side kick were helping out Derry City last Tuesday in UL?

sligoman

09/09/2006, 12:44 AM

He's got a bit of a journey on his hands.
Mayo to limerick 3/4 times a week?and he's ****e too;).

gael353

09/09/2006, 4:35 PM

and he's ****e too;).

agree with yu there, hes toss. Nothing in his past roles as manager of any club signals quality or success

fc hammer

09/09/2006, 11:55 PM

agree with yu there, hes toss. Nothing in his past roles as manager of any club signals quality or success

Who are ye talking about ? And what mad sidekick ?

sadloserkid

11/09/2006, 1:14 PM

see's it

11/09/2006, 2:09 PM

what badges are needed to manage in the LOI?

superhero

11/09/2006, 2:49 PM

The rumour to which gael refers is one which suggests that NOC and Aidan Ryan took a training session with Derry City last week. And just to further muddy the waters Tommy Lynch was at Danny Drew's arm yesterday in Tolka Park.

they didn't take a training session, they met with Stephen Kenny and his staff to go through the Limerick team, strengths, weakness etc......
Tommy Lynch is interim coach at the moment, someone to take training as the lads were a bit fed up of Danny's efforts!, a few people were interviewed for the job last week, Mike Kerley and Gavin Dykes among them

Ash

11/09/2006, 2:55 PM

what badges are needed to manage in the LOI?

For Division 1 you need your Map Reader, Rescuer,
Pathfinder, Adventurer and Entertainer badges :p

Although most get away without having the Entertainer one

thelimerick

12/09/2006, 9:17 AM

they didn't take a training session, they met with Stephen Kenny and his staff to go through the Limerick team, strengths, weakness etc......

Well thats just lovely of them isn't it.

JohnD

12/09/2006, 9:55 AM

Well thats just lovely of them isn't it.

Glad we are shot of them. 2 Complete and utter W**nkers. No more no less.
We are doing better managerless: 5 points in the last 3 games than we did for thew last 3 months under those two muppets !!

NOC can shove his Coaching badges up his A**se:D

joeSoap

12/09/2006, 10:23 AM

A replacement still has to be found though. Short term results such as 5 points out of the last 9 are all well and good, but without a suitable managerial structure that the players respect, then its going to go very sour very fast.

I know his last ten games were poor, and that is pretty obvious, but the first ten were excellent and he got no credit for those. It was down to the players. Why were the players not criticised at all for the horrendous run of ten games. I know everyone will say that I'm being pro- NOC here but I'm actually being objective. I'm acknowledging both the good and the bad, not just the bad.It works both ways and it should be seen that way. Personal abuse is never called for or welcomed here on this site.

JohnD

12/09/2006, 10:32 AM

Anyone who turns around after "Parting Company because of Business pressures" and then coaches the opposition in a major Cup Competition deserves all the criticism that is thrown at him.

Why Joe in the last 2 Years have things gone pear shaped at the exact same time of the season? Maybe something to do with Poor Man Management and dressing room troubles. ;)

joeSoap

12/09/2006, 11:18 AM

Not arguing with you in the least here John....just trying to be objective.

LFC in Exile

12/09/2006, 11:45 AM

Well, having been slagged off for being too objective before ( :) ) I can see where Joe is coming from but he is wrong. I think if you look back NOC was given credit at the start of teh season - though in most cases I think his detractors just disappeared rather than give credit. The run of results subsequently was enough to get him sacked IMO. It was obvious the team was foundering and he seemed unable to steady it. The buck stops with NOC and since it was obvious that the club was going nowhere fast his departure was warranted. Keeping him there just because we had no obvious successor was a recipe for discontent and change was needed even just to give the brief fillip it gave. Of course long-term DD is not a viable alternative - I presume even he knows that.... But tehre is time to get something out of this season without NOC and little chance with NOC as a lame duck manager.

I do think helping out Derry prior to the cup game was a lousy thing to do. Its not like Derry really needed it so it is a real two fingers up to LFC. :ball:

sadloserkid

12/09/2006, 11:52 AM

Not arguing with you in the least here John....just trying to be objective.

You don't think that objectivity should include such things as the fallout with Paul Finucane as well as our early season form no? Or the obvious inability to change things tactically? Or the baffling persistance with Kevin Waters and Conor Synott (though the new team seem to have a blind spot there too)? Sure we started the season with an excellent, excellent sequence of results (performances were patchy throughout but if things had continued in that vein there would have been few complaints) but objectivity is a dangerous game. If I was to be objective about his league cup success I could argue that it was shameful that a team who could beat four top flight teams on their way to that trophy could be sufficiently unmotivated to finish bottom of the first division the same year.

Unlike a lot of people here I stayed out of the Noel bashing that went on when he left and I've no intention of joining in now, I've always gotten on well with him personally and I believe that he genuinely did his best for Limerick. That said the fact that he was willing to go out and give Derry a hand before one of our biggest games of the season is truly disappointing and seems like a bit of a two fingers to Limerick and all of us who care about the club.

joeSoap

12/09/2006, 12:14 PM

Objectivity to me is the ability to see both sides clearly and the fact of the matter is that while there were some serious errors made, there was also a lot of good too which by and large went unnoticed.

As you said SLK, the detractors who now have the knives out and the fingers wagging disappeared through the good ten game league run, the defeat of Drogheda in the cup and the good league cup run.

Thats not being objective, its being blinkerred and allows personal feelings dictate. I'm a Manchester United fan, but I think Alex Ferguson is a knob...yet I praise his achievements as well as criticise his faults. The main objective of the club is to now find a replacement that will put in the same level of time, effort and commitment for a similar salary. Not going to be easy.

jebus

13/09/2006, 11:25 AM

As you said SLK, the detractors who now have the knives out and the fingers wagging disappeared through the good ten game league run, the defeat of Drogheda in the cup and the good league cup run.

Well I rank myself amongst those finger wagging, knives out detractors that disappeared when the going was good so I'll field this one I think. Throughout our good run of last year and this I still had great misgivings about Noels management style and about his tactical ineptness, but what would be achieved by myself or whoever else coming on here and pointing out what I thought again and again (and I think I made myself perfectly clear as to what I thought about NOC being given the job for about a year or more afterwards) about NOC, his management style and his tactical non-awareness. Plus as any Limerick fan can tell you we're at our most vocal when things are turning sour. :D

As far as I can remember though I only ever critcised NOC personally on here when he himself started making decisions last year that were more based on his personal preferences rather than what he thought was best for the team, i.e. shipping Derek, our then top scorer out on loan for the rest of the season. When he did that based on personal reasons I thought, and still do think that he left himself open for some personal attacks. What he did before the Derry game in my book leaves him open yet again for more personal attacks, simply because anyone can see that giving Derry a hand in that game was a lousy, unprofessional thing to do to a club that has given you every chance to prove yourself and a chairman that has just given you a decent severence package and one that has defended you to the hilt against us detractors

LFC in Exile

13/09/2006, 1:04 PM

but what would be achieved by myself or whoever else coming on here and pointing out what I thought again and again (and I think I made myself perfectly clear as to what I thought about NOC being given the job for about a year or more afterwards) about NOC, his management style and his tactical non-awareness.

Well, be not giving credit when it's due, criticism is not really credible and comes across as subjective and bias.

Plus as any Limerick fan can tell you we're at our most vocal when things are turning sour. :D

Not quite all of them. :rolleyes:

jebus

13/09/2006, 6:00 PM

thelimerick

14/09/2006, 9:35 AM

This is ridiculous.
Noel O' Connor showed his abilities through both terms at Limerick FC.
He was not sucessfull because he is not good enough. It's as simple as that. He was given the opportunity and he failed.
Leaving the club all the richer he advises Derry City on how to knock us out of the League Cup. Show me where in that he should be respected.

joeSoap

14/09/2006, 9:53 AM

Noel O' Connor showed his abilities through both terms at Limerick FC.
He was not sucessfull because he is not good enough. It's as simple as that. He was given the opportunity and he failed. . Yet despite all of his failings and inability he did win a National trophy, and leave Mike Kerley a squad a few seasons back that was worthy of promotion.This season had its good points as well as the bad.

Leaving the club all the richer he advises Derry City on how to knock us out of the League Cup. Show me where in that he should be respected.
If you really believe that he 'advised' Derry on how to beat us then you must think Derry needed help in the first place.:rolleyes:

fc hammer

14/09/2006, 10:52 AM

[QUOTE=joeSoap;535368]Yet despite all of his failings and inability he did win a National trophy, and leave Mike Kerley a squad a few seasons back that was worthy of promotion.This season had its good points as well as the bad.

Granted NOC gathered those individuals togeather,but it was mike kerley who got them to gel and brought them forword to challange for promotion not NOC.

joeSoap

14/09/2006, 11:42 AM

Granted NOC gathered those individuals togeather,but it was mike kerley who got them to gel and brought them forword to challange for promotion not NOC.
Gel ?? Don't make me laugh. If they 'gelled' like you say, why did they all run in different directions at the end of the season? He had one good season, then was unable to keep the squad together and then had no ability to rebuild a squad from scratch. You can go on about not having any money, no ground etc as factors in this, but where was the money and ground the season before this when O'Connor built the squad?

PinBallWizard

14/09/2006, 12:59 PM

Agree with JoeSoap strangely enough on the Kerley situation. Way way overrated in my book. Sadly from what I hear, Tommy Lynch has been brought in to steady the ship for Kerley next season, but hopefully thats just a rumour.

I cant remember a really dedicated decent manager since Eoin Hand. Well, thats not fair on the butcher...he was dedicated...awful...but dedicated.

It seems to me that Mr Drew fancies himself as the new gaffer...he's even been in touch with UEFA from what I hear to get his badges. I'm sure it won't be long before more players run out the door like Woulfe, Rose and mCcARTNEY.:mad:

gaidin

14/09/2006, 1:06 PM

LFC in Exile

14/09/2006, 1:41 PM

Gel ?? Don't make me laugh. If they 'gelled' like you say, why did they all run in different directions at the end of the season? He had one good season, then was unable to keep the squad together and then had no ability to rebuild a squad from scratch.

That's bullsh1t. They gelled fine, we went 13 games unbeaten at the end of the season and ended up in the play-off spot. The players left because at the time the club was not given a license and so there was a lot of uncertainty surrounding whether the club would even be there for the following season. Nobody blamed the players for signing for other clubs when the alternative was to stay with a club about to go out of business. Many of the players (Purcell, Heff, O'Flynn) took the opportunity to step up to the premier. None of that was Kerley's fault and you know it Joe. Don't twist things. Kerley was left scrambling for players two weeks before the season started with obvious results. Again, not his fault.

If anyone dropped teh club in the sh1te around that time it was NOC departing to take a job at Cork 2 weeks before the start of the previous season. NOC gets no credit from me for 'building a squad'. Anyone can assemble good players given enough time - but getting them to play is another thing altogether.

LFC in Exile

14/09/2006, 1:48 PM

Okay then In Exile, what point would there have been in me coming on here when we were in the middle of our good run and saying that NOC is a talentless hack who is in the middle of a red hot lucky streak that will quickly run out?

Had I done so I would have had yourself going on about how I have something personal against NOC and I can't see past that to how good a job he is doing. So instead of getting involved in yet another petty tit for tat 'discussion' with you I left you, joesoap and whoever else harp on and on about how NOC is showing his doubters the error of their ways cause I knew it would all blow up in your face at some stage, just as it did last season, but no I thought I'd be the bigger man, which I should have realised was never going to happen on foot.ie :rolleyes:

A bigger man? You only post here when the club is going through a bad patch. This just goes back to whether everything is black and white. I don't know whatever gave you the impression I think NOC is a good manager. When his side is winning (which is my side too) then fair play but I don't feel the need to always adopt the same opinion irrespective of what is actually happening. I have no axe to grind with anyone - so if I think they're doing a good job I give them credit. If not then criticism. I think that makes criticism a lot more valid as opposed to those who always carp on about the negative and go missing when good stuff is happening for their club. Talk about a martyr complex - when we get promoted you'll be inconsolable. :)

joeSoap

14/09/2006, 2:13 PM

If anyone dropped teh club in the sh1te around that time it was NOC departing to take a job at Cork 2 weeks before the start of the previous season. NOC gets no credit from me for 'building a squad'. Anyone can assemble good players given enough time - but getting them to play is another thing altogether.Anyone can assemble a squad?? Totally off the mark there LFC. If anyone could assemble a squad then why didn't Mike Kerley do it over the two seasons he was in charge. What he did was lose an excellent squad and have no contingency plan for the enivitable. Blame the club for whatever you like...yes it was poorly run by idiots blah blah, but a manager who cannot attract players to a club is worthless.

And the squad that you wouldn't give Noel O'Connor any credit for building included ; Pat Purcell, Paul Finnucane, Brendan Sweeney, Gareth Cooney, Steven O'Flynn, Brian Morrisroe, Colm Heffernan and others. On top of that, in the last two seasons he has brought in players like Noel Mooney, Purcell back to the club, Cooney back to the club, Paul Rose, John Lester, Conor Sinnott, Anthony Woulfe, Brian Buckley, John McGrath, Robbie Kelliher, Tommy Barrett and others.

So credit him if you want, don't credit him if you want. But stop talking pure and utter cr*p about Mike Kerley being the messiah.

jebus

14/09/2006, 2:19 PM

A bigger man? You only post here when the club is going through a bad patch.

True my posting count picks up when we have something to discuss, i.e. no lease, no direction on the pitch, etc., but then how many times can we (and I'm not the only who's posting increases in the dark times) come on and say 'everythings fine and dandy?'. I still came on these boards when the going was good for Limerick, although admittedly less frequently than at the moment, but that was due to college work, but when I did I chose to post in places like off-topic, world football and current affairs when I repeatedly saw the same four or five posters saying the same thing over and over again. I had nothing to offer those conversations so why would I bother?:)

When his side is winning (which is my side too) then fair play but I don't feel the need to always adopt the same opinion irrespective of what is actually happening. I have no axe to grind with anyone - so if I think they're doing a good job I give them credit.

Fair enough, but would you also say it's fair enough of me to not give him credit when I think the opposite? Apparantly not, because everytime I have been on this board in the last year you jump on any negative thing I have had to say about Danny Drew, the direction of the club or NOC at times. Sounds like an axe to grind to me :) Oh and for the record I have no personal axe to grind, which is something you have made out that I have against DD or NOC at times, I have never spoken to them in my life so how could I have anything personal against them?

If not then criticism. I think that makes criticism a lot more valid as opposed to those who always carp on about the negative and go missing when good stuff is happening for their club.

Again this goes down to a difference of opinion. What you saw as a good run, I saw as a lucky run that would soon run out. I think anyone who witnessed our run this year would agree there was a large element of luck involved in our remaining unbeaten, why else would so many fans have been complaining about us having a tactically inept manager (again you seem to think I'm a one man tribe with the negativity, which isn't the case at all) and a directionless team at the time of our run?

If I had have come on here and said just that you would have leaped out of chair yet again and gone on yet another tirade, which is one discussion I'm tired of having to be honest :)

fc hammer

14/09/2006, 2:23 PM

That's bullsh1t. They gelled fine, we went 13 games unbeaten at the end of the season and ended up in the play-off spot. The players left because at the time the club was not given a license and so there was a lot of uncertainty surrounding whether the club would even be there for the following season. Nobody blamed the players for signing for other clubs when the alternative was to stay with a club about to go out of business. Many of the players (Purcell, Heff, O'Flynn) took the opportunity to step up to the premier. None of that was Kerley's fault and you know it Joe. Don't twist things. Kerley was left scrambling for players two weeks before the season started with obvious results. Again, not his fault.

If anyone dropped teh club in the sh1te around that time it was NOC departing to take a job at Cork 2 weeks before the start of the previous season. NOC gets no credit from me for 'building a squad'. Anyone can assemble good players given enough time - but getting them to play is another thing altogether.

well said LFC in Exile!!