New Manager

[jebus]

That's bullsh1t. They gelled fine, we went 13 games unbeaten at the end of the season and ended up in the play-off spot. The players left because at the time the club was not given a license and so there was a lot of uncertainty surrounding whether the club would even be there for the following season. Nobody blamed the players for signing for other clubs when the alternative was to stay with a club about to go out of business. Many of the players (Purcell, Heff, O'Flynn) took the opportunity to step up to the premier. None of that was Kerley's fault and you know it Joe. Don't twist things. Kerley was left scrambling for players two weeks before the season started with obvious results. Again, not his fault.

If anyone dropped teh club in the sh1te around that time it was NOC departing to take a job at Cork 2 weeks before the start of the previous season. NOC gets no credit from me for 'building a squad'. Anyone can assemble good players given enough time - but getting them to play is another thing altogether.


Oddly enough I agree 100% with you here In Exile! Miracles can happen then, I might just go out a put a tenner on Mayo for this sunday now! :D

[JohnD]

Post of the Week:)

Well said LFC in Exile !!!

[thelimerick]

Anyone can assemble a squad?? Totally off the mark there LFC. If anyone could assemble a squad then why didn't Mike Kerley do it over the two seasons he was in charge. What he did was lose an excellent squad and have no contingency plan for the enivitable. Blame the club for whatever you like...yes it was poorly run by idiots blah blah, but a manager who cannot attract players to a club is worthless.

And the squad that you wouldn't give Noel O'Connor any credit for building included ; Pat Purcell, Paul Finnucane, Brendan Sweeney, Gareth Cooney, Steven O'Flynn, Brian Morrisroe, Colm Heffernan and others. On top of that, in the last two seasons he has brought in players like Noel Mooney, Purcell back to the club, Cooney back to the club, Paul Rose, John Lester, Conor Sinnott, Anthony Woulfe, Brian Buckley, John McGrath, Robbie Kelliher, Tommy Barrett and others.

So credit him if you want, don't credit him if you want. But stop talking pure and utter cr*p about Mike Kerley being the messiah.

Some more of your fantastic objectivity Joe. You must have been scratching your head wondering how this time last season along with a few weeks ago this season, Limerick were plumeting down the table with the genius of NOC in charge.
I'm no Mike Kerley fanatic, personally I don't think he should get the job, but your assesment below is baffling.

"If anyone could assemble a squad then why didn't Mike Kerley do it over the two seasons he was in charge. What he did was lose an excellent squad and have no contingency plan for the enivitable. Blame the club for whatever you like...yes it was poorly run by idiots blah blah, but a manager who cannot attract players to a club is worthless."

How can a manager attract players to a club that can't pay their players their wages? That can't guarentee their existence in the league the following season? Mourihno couldn't attract players in that situation. Have you forgotten what a joke we were to Irish football?
You say this yet NOC had so much more at his disposal, especially last year as the buzz of new owners with big ambitions was being thrown all over town and beyond. Yet he achieved nothing. We stood in the shed and watched decent players play rubbish football as he watched on with a 100 yard stare. We slid on our ar*e last season and we did it again this season, in and around the same time, and he had nothing within him to turn it around. You may blame the players for this but they were NOC's players and he simply could not get them to play and when he did he got them hoofing the ball and playing without any imagination. NOC is gone, he is part of our past and I'm bloody thankfull for that. I'm not judging him on his personality, I'm judging him as a manager and his "effort" speaks for itself.

[LFC in Exile]

But stop talking pure and utter cr*p about Mike Kerley being the messiah.

Where did I say Kerley is the messiah. He's not. He would be well down my preferred list of new managers. But in the spirit of your much lauded objectivity (which seems surprisingly absent in relation to Kerley) I couldn't let your rewriting of the history books pass. By the way, at the time the squad was dissembling who took two players (our players of the season in fact) to Cork City?

Also, I said that any manager can build a squad given enough time. You left out the last bit. Limerick's license was granted 2 weeks before the season started. Even NOC couldn't attract players in that time - even if he could pay them. And after the sh1tty start how could players be brought in? Kerley does deserve a lot of credit for staying at the club throughout that season when a lot of other managers would have walked. He was in an invidious position thoughout that season when he had so few fit players that there was no point in even having a manager because the side picked itself.

I think you also give too much credit to managers for attracting players. At eL level I think money is a much greater motivating factor - and the likelihood of getting your wages is important too. I suspect that what attracted a lot of players back was not NOC but DD getting the club back on a reasonable financial footing. The players that came from Waterford I'm sure saw a better chance of getting paid their wages.

[4tothefloor]

That's bullsh1t. They gelled fine, we went 13 games unbeaten at the end of the season and ended up in the play-off spot. The players left because at the time the club was not given a license and so there was a lot of uncertainty surrounding whether the club would even be there for the following season. Nobody blamed the players for signing for other clubs when the alternative was to stay with a club about to go out of business. Many of the players (Purcell, Heff, O'Flynn) took the opportunity to step up to the premier. None of that was Kerley's fault and you know it Joe. Don't twist things. Kerley was left scrambling for players two weeks before the season started with obvious results. Again, not his fault.

If anyone dropped teh club in the sh1te around that time it was NOC departing to take a job at Cork 2 weeks before the start of the previous season. NOC gets no credit from me for 'building a squad'. Anyone can assemble good players given enough time - but getting them to play is another thing altogether.

Well said LFC. joeSoap, you're talking utter ****e again. You'd be better off going away and starting up a NOC fan club, and appoint yourself as chairman so you can wax lyrical about him forever more. Seriously man, you're deluded when it comes to O'Connor. Do you watch the League of Gentlemen? Is Noel feeding you any 'special' burgers?!

I'm delighted NOC is gone. Never liked his style, never thought he should have got the job. Personally, I thought we played rubbish football throughout his reign - including the 'good runs'. I often found myself yawning up at Hogan Park even when we were winning. Not once was I convinced about us this season, even when we were top. The results were good, it was exciting to think of promotion, but at the back of it all we knew we were playing poor stuff. Route one crap is all I could describe it as. I can honestly say I never rated the guy at all during his time here. Yeah he had players like John McGrath, Robbie Kelleher, Colm Heffernen etc. But did he utilise them properly? Did he fcuk! No point having ball players if you don't allow them to play ball :rolleyes:

As for Mike Kerely, another grossly over-rated manager. He produced one season of heroics and everyone thinks his sh!t is ice cream. It's not. What I will say about Kerley is that he is a better man manager and his teams play better football than NOC's. Wouldn't be my choice as manager, I think we should move forward rather than going back to the past. But I think we're all agreed the sooner DD gets out of that dug out, the better. Billy Barrett should've been given that role.

[plasticpitch]

It was a real pity that the new chairman at limerick didnt keep kerley on. the time when he managed he had an excellent run and got the team to the top end of the table from nowhere. it has to be said that he must have done an excellent job as there were so many uncertainties with limerickfc at the time ie wages ground etc. the squad at the time played for him and the limerick jersey something that NOC never managed. he must have been gutted to get the sack to o connor. i know he didnt have a good spell at waterford but he was travelling across the country a couple of times a week and this must have affected his style of management
i think he is the best candidate for the post and i hope he gets it:ball:

[joeSoap]

Okay...lets get one thing straight here; I beleive that Noel genuinely did a good job for Limerick FC. He developed a fantastic youth policy which probably saved the clubs existence in the late 90's, spent a hell of a lot of his own time and money in doing so, signed very well throughout his time as manager, initially got amazing results which were probably beyond all expectation, thus setting himself up for a big fall if things went bad, as they enivitably do for every club at some stage of a season. I acknowledge that there were some huge mistakes made during his time in charge, mistakes that even shocked me. However, unlike most of the 'Anti-NOC' fan club that exists, I see both sides to this and give credit where its due and criticism where its deserved. None of you...not one singled him out for praise when Limerick won the league cup...all of you savaged him for finishing bottom that year. None of you...not one singled him out for praise at reaching the semi final of this years competition, defeating the Setanta Cup champions and then EL League Leaders in their own back yard in the FAI Cup, and the amazing league run at the first half of this league campaign. But you all savage him for the subsequent run of bad results.

I fear for the next manager with you lot, because if he doesn't pick exactly who ye want to play, when and where ye want to play him, then he's going to be questioned. And before ye start, yes, I agree the new manager won't make the same mistakes Noel made with Paul Finucane etc....I hope not either.

Hopefully the new guy , whoever he may be, will be treated equally...praised when he does well and criticised when he doesn't. Not like the last one.

[LFC in Exile]

None of you...not one singled him out for praise when Limerick won the league cup...all of you savaged him for finishing bottom that year. None of you...not one singled him out for praise at reaching the semi final of this years competition, defeating the Setanta Cup champions and then EL League Leaders in their own back yard in the FAI Cup, and the amazing league run at the first half of this league campaign. But you all savage him for the subsequent run of bad results.

Post number 2 - http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=474643#post474643

Post number 11 - http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=35512

Thats all I could find in a quick sketch.

[Nempton]

It's fair to say Joe that a lot of people were not quick to come out with praise for NOC despite their dislike of him or the continous poor level of football we played under him. But I find it quite ironic that you speak of treating a Limerick manager with respect. While your preaching from your home made pulpit let's not forget the manner in which you attacked Mike Kerley while he was manager. I haven't forgotten how you came on here and tried to undermine Mike with the intention of turning the fans against him especially when you were fully aware of developments to bring NOC in as manager and how you were subsequently involved with the club then last season. So you know what they say about people in glass houses Joe....


Also since you insist in drawing parallel's with Mike Kerley in regards to the following;
And the squad that you wouldn't give Noel O'Connor any credit for building included ; Pat Purcell, Paul Finnucane, Brendan Sweeney, Gareth Cooney, Steven O'Flynn, Brian Morrisroe, Colm Heffernan and others. On top of that, in the last two seasons he has brought in players like Noel Mooney, Purcell back to the club, Cooney back to the club, Paul Rose, John Lester, Conor Sinnott, Anthony Woulfe, Brian Buckley, John McGrath, Robbie Kelliher, Tommy Barrett and others.
The players you have listed meant that Limerick were in a position to challenge for promotion. The difference between Mike and NOC as managers then is simple. At least Mike succeeded in guiding us to the playoffs but for NOC, promotion was a task he was not able to manage. Its all well and good saying NOC was able to attract these players to the club but when it came down to it he couldn't get them to perform. What good was that to us then?

[4tothefloor]

At least Mike succeeded in guiding us to the playoffs but for NOC, promotion was a task he was not able to manage. Its all well and good saying NOC was able to attract these players to the club but when it came down to it he couldn't get them to perform. What good was that to us then?
The same thing has happened in his second tenure at the club. Decent squad, decent players (even better resources), yet no real success or achievement on the pitch. In short, a bad manager, and as you rightly said, attracting players isn't worth a cent if you can't get them to perform. That sums up NOC perfectly. He's a bit of a Brian Kidd - stick to the coaching....

[fc hammer]

You hit the nail on the head there 4...Well said.

[gael353]

It looks unlikely that a manager will be appointed in the comming weeks. The cost is prohibitive and with NOC massive pay off i wouldnt blame them. Eoin Kallackey left the club last night to take up a role with the FAI womans team. Best of luck Eoin.

[sadloserkid]

It looks unlikely that a manager will be appointed in the comming weeks. The cost is prohibitive and with NOC massive pay off i wouldnt blame them.

What cost on success then? With all due respect the sooner we get our chairman out of the dugout the better. If the rumours are true anyway there's not many on the fabled shortlist of five who are going to break the bank. If we are pinching pennies what the hell are we doing appointing goalkeeping coaches too? All of a sudden the non existent jersey sales money is looking more significant.

[fitzknows]

Does anybody know what the turover is at Limerick FC. I just guessing here but I reckon that there is no way it is more than 300,000 Euro. A 30,000 Euro pay-off for a manager is going to hit any First division club very hard.

[LFC in Exile]

Does anybody know what the turover is at Limerick FC. I just guessing here but I reckon that there is no way it is more than 300,000 Euro. A 30,000 Euro pay-off for a manager is going to hit any First division club very hard.

You're right - but I don't begrudge NOC this money. If he is entitled then he is entitled. If he didn't take it he would effectively be funding the club to the tune of 30k. That's a lot of money for anyone. He obviously had a contract and that cuts both ways. If he saw out his contract he could have been removed without any compensation. It is tough for the club - but that is not NOC's concern. At least not any more.

Meeting Derry was bad form however. Whatever he did with them they contacted him in order to get extra advantage over Limerick (even though they may not have needed it). He didn't have to meet them and it does leave a sour taste that he did.

[scoobysham]

What cost on success then? With all due respect the sooner we get our chairman out of the dugout the better. If the rumours are true anyway there's not many on the fabled shortlist of five who are going to break the bank. If we are pinching pennies what the hell are we doing appointing goalkeeping coaches too? All of a sudden the non existent jersey sales money is looking more significant.

who are the 5 people who are supposedly on the shortlist than danny drew was on about the other day........

[Lim till i die]

who are the 5 people who are supposedly on the shortlist than danny drew was on about the other day........

Me, you, Tommy Lynch, Mike Bassett: England manager and a surprise mystery guest ;)

[LFC in Exile]

Me, you, Tommy Lynch, Mike Bassett: England manager and a surprise mystery guest ;)

If that's the choice I vote for Mike Bassett - though Jim Royle would be a good catch at this rate. :)

[JohnD]

Jim Royle ? !!! ....My Arse !!:D

[lfc at heart]

Lads NOC is gone,any chance of ye lot getting over it and moving on reading about him 4+ weeks after he is gone is getting a bit boring to say the least. any chance ye point out the possitive things about the club

move on people ye are starting to get boring........

[LFC in Exile]

I didn't think we were going on about NOC - he's yesterday's man. We were talking about the managerial vacancy at the club - which is still very much exercising fans - which can hardly be surprising. :ball:

[Lim till i die]

If that's the choice I vote for Mike Bassett - though Jim Royle would be a good catch at this rate.

I'll have you know my managerial achievements include guiding Limerick to third place in a Champions league group which included Real Madrid, Galatasaray and Manchester United. JP Stokes got the crucial winner over in Istanbul in our final group game :eek: :ball:

Championship Manager - Ultra Realistic :D

[Lim till i die]

Lads NOC is gone,any chance of ye lot getting over it and moving on reading about him 4+ weeks after he is gone is getting a bit boring to say the least. any chance ye point out the possitive things about the club

move on people ye are starting to get boring........

Who's this NOC your talking about, was he involved in the club at some stage or something :confused: ;)

[sadloserkid]

Lads NOC is gone,any chance of ye lot getting over it and moving on reading about him 4+ weeks after he is gone is getting a bit boring to say the least. any chance ye point out the possitive things about the club

move on people ye are starting to get boring........

So why not go and read something else if you're that bored perhaps? You're hardly forced to read this page. :confused: To end on a positive note perhaps you should spend some of your net time on the club's webpage instead of this one if you want to hear about 'more positive things at the club'?

[True View]

Just my opinion but I think Tommy Lynch will be the new manager.
I think he is being given a "coaching position" for both parties, i.e. him & the club to get a feel for each other & if both are happy at the end of the season he will take charge for next season.
Just my opinion of course but I think he could do a good job

[plasticpitch]

Who will the players play for??
Lads Limerick have some fantastic players. The big thing from what i can make out was that the better junior players in limerick didnt want to be trawling all over the country playing athlone and finn harps etc. IMO limerick are(should) be a premier club at least and then should be challenging for uefa and champ league competition. Look at drogheda derry etc.
The new manager should be able to get the best from his players and there should be mutual respect between both parties.
If this can be sorted i have no doubt that LFC will be back at the top of LOI soccer

[LFC in Exile]

Who will the players play for??
Lads Limerick have some fantastic players. The big thing from what i can make out was that the better junior players in limerick didnt want to be trawling all over the country playing athlone and finn harps etc. IMO limerick are(should) be a premier club at least and then should be challenging for uefa and champ league competition. Look at drogheda derry etc.
The new manager should be able to get the best from his players and there should be mutual respect between both parties.
If this can be sorted i have no doubt that LFC will be back at the top of LOI soccer


That's it. I knew we were missing something. Limerick should be a premier club.
The manager shoudl get the besr from his players. Will you give DD a shout and tell him that you've realised where we've been going wrong for the last 15 years. Sound, that's al sorted. Can't wait for the trip to the Brandywell next season. :rolleyes:

Sorry for being so sarcastic - but seriously....

[jebus]

Lads NOC is gone,any chance of ye lot getting over it and moving on reading about him 4+ weeks after he is gone is getting a bit boring to say the least. any chance ye point out the possitive things about the club

move on people ye are starting to get boring........

whatever Danny.....;)

[gael353]

Lads NOC is gone,any chance of ye lot getting over it and moving on reading about him 4+ weeks after he is gone is getting a bit boring to say the least. any chance ye point out the possitive things about the club

move on people ye are starting to get boring........

Its funny that, that your quote ended on boring as it is the one word which went side by side with our football over the last 15 months. yea right and we've not been talking about Sam Allardyce at all asking for him to come back (bungs or no bungs)
NOC has been involved in Limerick Fc so therefore he is part of our history so yes we can talk about him as much as anyone wants too. I think also putting us through four seasons of the most boring football is justification for anyone talking either good or bad on NOC

[plasticpitch]

That's it. I knew we were missing something. Limerick should be a premier club.
The manager shoudl get the besr from his players. Will you give DD a shout and tell him that you've realised where we've been going wrong for the last 15 years. Sound, that's al sorted. Can't wait for the trip to the Brandywell next season. :rolleyes:

Sorry for being so sarcastic - but seriously....
No bother!!
Well LIE if you think that limerick should not be a premier club then i really cant say that they should.
I mean a city the size of limerick, shouldnt really have a team as good as a university in dublin or a small town in the midwest of ireland (longfort).
what the hell was i thinking???

[gael353]

a small town in the midwest of ireland (longfort).
what the hell was i thinking???

LongFORD is in the midlands. We're the team in the mid west.

[LFC in Exile]

No bother!!
Well LIE if you think that limerick should not be a premier club then i really cant say that they should.
I mean a city the size of limerick, shouldnt really have a team as good as a university in dublin or a small town in the midwest of ireland (longfort).
what the hell was i thinking???

That whizzing sound was obviously the point flying past.

Everyone here thinks LC should be a premier team. Everyone here thinks the manager should be able to get the best out of players. Everyone here thinks there should be mutual respect. The point is none of these are. Hoping something will happen or saying something should happen doesn't mean it does happen.:)

[Breifne]

Eoin Kallackey left the club last night to take up a role with the FAI womans team. Best of luck Eoin.

Partly true, Eoin has taken up a role with the FAI Women's Unit, but will be staying with Limerick until the end of the season. He asked me to clarify that.

[Paddyfield]

I just heard from the horse's mouth that LFC have offered the job to Gavin Dykes and he said no.

Is Dave Connell still living in Limerick?

[PinBallWizard]

I just heard from the horse's mouth that LFC have offered the job to Gavin Dykes and he said no.
Doesn´t really surprise me.....I know of one or two others who actually laughed out loud at the prospect of working with Danny Drew. He is a joke of a chairman, and has the respect of nobody in Eircom League circles. I know he saved the club a short time ago, but now he id ruining it as quickly as he saved it. His antics before, during and after games are a sight for sore eyes, and to be frank, he has the manners of a pig. I have had business dealings with him and his family outside of football, so I could see this coming a mile off when he took over the club.

He has endeared himself to nobody-players, manager, prospective managers, investors, the FAI.....NOBODY!! The club has no future with the likes of him involved.....none at all.:mad:

[lfc at heart]

I agree with you, I think Danny drew is to-days version of Pat Grace, wants to get what he can (money wise) from the club, Ireland (Limerick) is too small a place to have a privater owner of a city soccer club, i heard he has bought a site in Ballysimon road and intends moving Limerick FC there, he can go alone I wont support them there, I think the FAI move is the best, how can it not be

;)

[Lim till i die]

I agree with you, I think Danny drew is to-days version of Pat Grace, wants to get what he can (money wise) from the club,


While these theorys are great fun they overlook the fact that whatever else about Drew I don't think he's a simpleton. There must be at least 523,216 easier ways to make a quick buck in Limerick than buying the local Eircom League side :rolleyes:

[gspain]

There isn't an F.A.I. option. Why should they invest in Limerick and not in Cork or Galway or even Longford for that matter? I don't think the F.A.i. have been anymore successful than Danny in getting a lease on Rathbane.

I've no problem with a private owner. There isn't a fortune to be made in LoI football (or indeed in World football) as an owner/investor. I can only think of Louis Kilcoyne who made a lot of money out of the game and they were special circumstances.

Investing in football is very much an emotional decision. Sure there are benefits in prestige, goodwill, good publicity etc as well as a bit of an ego trip.
however there are much easier ways to make money

In fairness to Pat Grace too he didn't get involved for the money. Certainly a lot of the problems can be traced back to his time but there were people involved in the club at the time purely because he was so wealthly and to take what they could. For such a wealthy and successful businessman I was amazed at how easily he (and the club) was fleeced. One guy bought a house for cash Grace left the club in a total mess from which it has never really recovered.

[smellyfeet]

Is Dave Connell still living in Limerick?


No he is back in Dublin. The last i heard he was managing Mount Merrion in the LSL.

[Number9]

Is Billy Kinane still involved in football?

[sadloserkid]

Is Billy Kinane still involved in football?

Not to the best of my knowledge.

[see's it]

his training caherdavin why do you think they are going so well

[joeSoap]

I thiought Danny Donnan was in charge at Caherdavin??:confused:

[Jofspring]

in the star on friday it had a quote from drew sayin limerick have a manager but he is involved with another club at the moment so he won't be arriving till the end of the season, anybody have any idea who this might be.

[sadloserkid]

in the star on friday it had a quote from drew sayin limerick have a manager but he is involved with another club at the moment so he won't be arriving till the end of the season, anybody have any idea who this might be.

The latest rumour (and I stress that's all it is) is that the incoming manager is currently a player with a club that's still in the Premier Division title race so make of that what you will.

[LFC in Exile]

I know its only a rumour but at least we can have a happy diversion. I can't think of anyone it could be. Now maybe if it was still involved in the relegation battle (alan reynolds?)

Could it be Colin O'Brien (has his badges yes?), Phil Harrington, Peter Hutton? Or if not a player, Mick Neville? :confused:

[joeSoap]

Could it be Colin O'Brien (has his badges yes?), Phil Harrington, Peter Hutton? Or if not a player, Mick Neville? :confused:Cork can hardly be described as being in the title race after last Fridays debacle against Bray; Can't see Hutton coming down from Derry, and perhaps he is from Shelbourne, but not Mick Neville, I'd say.

If the rumour is to be substiantiated and embellished along those lines, then how about Bobby Ryan as player manager next season?? He's still in the title race, is from Limerick......

[LFC in Exile]

If the rumour is to be substiantiated and embellished along those lines, then how about Bobby Ryan as player manager next season?? He's still in the title race, is from Limerick......

He's also 27 with quite a few years left in the top flight.

[joeSoap]

Well I can't think of anyone else involved with Shels or Derry, currently playing, who could be linked with the job....

[fitzknows]

Phil Harrington seems to be the most likely option if that rumour is true