Advice on the Laws of the Game

[Round Tower]

Its something that is happening in a lot of premiership matches lately, Team A has a corner or a free kick, a player from Team B pulls a member of Team A down in the penalty area before the corner or free-kick is taken, penalty or not. I heard that its no penalty as the corner or free-kick has not been taken.

[the 12 th man]

If the ball is not in play you can't give a penalty,if on the other hand the ball is in the air that's a different matter.

[Round Tower]

This incident happened in the Iranian league, a player rounds the keeper and is through on goal, his shot is saved on the line by a subitute player who was warming up behind the goal. The referee showed a straight red card I expect, u could not really see and gave a indirect free kick on the 6 yard box, should it not have been a penalty.

[The Ref]

This incident happened in the Iranian league, a player rounds the keeper and is through on goal, his shot is saved on the line by a subitute player who was warming up behind the goal. The referee showed a straight red card I expect, u could not really see and gave a indirect free kick on the 6 yard box, should it not have been a penalty.

No it should not have been a penalty. The referee is correct to show a straight red card and award an indirect free kick.

[Game-of-sloggs]

Hi ref, just wondering there if an attacking player gives an over the top ball but a defender heads it back to his keeper, is the referee right to give offside if an attckin player intercept s and scores? Take in mimd the defender intentionaly hit it to his keeper

[Murt316]

My understanding from reading your question is that the defender intentionally played the ball. If that is the case, then the attacking player is not offside under the new rule

[Game-of-sloggs]

Ya thats exactly it but a few times so far this year refs have seen it a different, in my eyes and others players and managers it should not be off side

[Round Tower]

In a recent game Harte of Man. City was taking a free kick or a goal kick, he double hit the ball without another player touching the ball, it went too a opposing player who scored, the referee disallowed the goal, rightly so and allowed Harte too retake the kick or should it have been indirect free-kick too the opposition
A team has a kick out, the ball does not goo outside the box, if one of there own players touch it the goal kick is retaken, but if a member of the opposition intercepts the ball inside the box, what happens.

[the 12 th man]

^^I'd be pretty sure the result would be the same (re take) as the ball is not deemed active til it leaves the box,I'm sure a Ref can confirm.

[Murt316]

You are correct, 12th Man. It is a retake. From a restart of play, the ball must leave the penalty area before another player can touch it

[Insidetherock]

A player from team A is caught offside in the 18 yard box,
So it is a kick out for team B,
So the keeper from team B takes a kick out must the ball leave the 18 yard box before a player from team B can touch it.

No, it's a free kick, not a kick out.

[Insidetherock]

Sorry I explained it wrong to you.

The B team have a free kick for the offside in the 18 yard box must it leave the box before a player from the B team can touch it.

No.

Let me get this right.

Team A are attacking, but the referee gives a free kick for a player from Team A, who is in an offside position, inside the penalty area of team B (let's say he was standing on the penalty spot)

The free kick is awarded from that point i.e. the penalty spot.

Under the rules, Team A must retreat 10 yards, so all of their players will be outside the area.

However, Team B can take the free kick as if it is a normal free kick anywhere on the pitch, so the ball does not have to travel outside the area before it is touched by a second player from Team B.

It must only travel outside the area for a kick out.

[Notaclue]

Sorry Hightackle, but the ref was correct. check fifalotg page 41 for clarification. the ball is not in play until it leaves the penalty area when its the defending teams free kick. thats why he is one of the better refs, he knows the rules.

[Round Tower]

During a recent youths match, the opposition had a indirect free kick, one of there players touched the ball before one of our players left the wall, the ref. made them take the free kick again as he made out that 2 of the attacking players had too touch the ball before one of our players left the wall. He warned our players if they done it a third time he would award a penalty against them. This referee is going through the FAI elite school of reffing.

[Round Tower]

In a junior game yesterday, one of our players had no tape holding up his socks, so his sock fell down exposing his shinpad. The referee put him off and told him to get tape to hold up hid socks and would not allow him back on till he had tape on holding up his socks. was the ref. correct.

[Subprime]

Yes, the ref was correct. Presume he also did not allow him back until a stoppage in the game and went and rechecked the tape, which is what the law says. Also, I still see players asking the ref during a game to allow them to tie their shoe laces.... A player's equipment cannot be fixed on the field, they are to be sent to the sideline to fix their gear and cannot come back on until a stoppage in play and the referee has checked their equipment (or the assistant if 3 man job) which means their team is down a player. It's to prevent slowing the game down.

[Risteard]

Was Tom the ref???

[Round Tower]

Was Tom the ref???

Are u on about the ref. in my question, it was a ML. referee.

[Risteard]

I'm on about the profile The Ref?
I was going to state that he hadn't been active in the past few days until I realised it had been over a year.

[fruice]

At a game recently our keeper knocked down a long through ball to his feet with his hands but never caught it! So as to waste time he waited for the opposing teams player to come and then he picked it up!
But the ref gave an indirect free kick!
After discussing it with the ref after the game the ref still maintained he was right.
I don't think he is as the Kepper only caught the ball once.
Can anyone confirm who is right?

[Subprime]

It's palming the ball, in control of the ball with the hands, cannot pick it up, indirect free kick against him. Ref got that one right.

[fruice]

Is palming down not the same as making a save and then picking it up?

[Subprime]

When the keeper makes a deliberate save and controls the ball, as opposed to a deflected save, he cannot pick up the ball a second time.

[Game-of-sloggs]

2 questions here.

1. If a ball is coming towards two attackin players and one says leave it or I have it is it always a free out? Ref today said its only when its in a dangerous position and in one case the player had a shot after sayin leave it and nothing was giving.

2. If a player passes the ball over or passed the goalkeeper, is it right that there has to be 2 defenders behind the keeper also for the player to be offside? Or is it once your not passed the defenders your onside?

[Subprime]

The cautionable offence is verbally distracting an opponent, you don't have to use a name, all you have to do is deliberately distract an opponent verbally such as "leave it" in order to gain an advantage. Calling "offside" with the intention of making an opponent stop his run is another one. Yellow card and IDFK.

You have to be in line with the second last line of defense to be onside when the ball is played (not when it arrives). Any two opponents make up that line, one of them can be the goalkeeper but not necessary. FAI game last night the keeper went up for the corner kick which meant two defenders are the line of defense.

[Round Tower]

In the Yorkshire derby between Sheffield Wednesday V Leeds Utd., SW was 2-0 up with 10 to 15 minutes left, they were making a substitution Leeds had a free kick. The ref. looked round and then blew the whistle for the FK to be taken as SW was making the sub. The SW player was walking off the pitch when the ref. blew the whistle, Leeds scored from the FK, naturally the SW bench was up in arms, after a couple of minutes of discussion the ref. disallowed the goal. i believe that the ref. was wrong to disallow the goal as he had blow for the FK to be taken, why did he blow for rte FK when the sub was taken place.

[Game-of-sloggs]

Quick question not very complicated to answer if you know the answer. If a ref calls a foul and calls a player back to book him but while doing this the other team play on and score directly from the free should the goal stand. I get quick free kicks are to get the opposition off gaurd but does it count if the ref have the team a man down by calling the play back while the team play on.

[the 12 th man]

Quick question not very complicated to answer if you know the answer. If a ref calls a foul and calls a player back to book him but while doing this the other team play on and score directly from the free should the goal stand. I get quick free kicks are to get the opposition off gaurd but does it count if the ref have the team a man down by calling the play back while the team play on.

Common sense says if the Ref calls someone back to book them then the game is suspended until he completes same,if you want to take a quick free kick you have to ask the ref anyway?

[damojag]

Had a match earlier where the ball was kicked no more than 5 yards from the defender, the ball struck the player's chest but his immediate reaction was to lift his arms to cover his face. Referee gave a penalty, second yellow and sent the lad off. What could the boy have done differently or was this quite harsh?

[Game-of-sloggs]

This forum has been useful for me but another question. If a ref makes a decision in the 90 minute for a corner and points to the corner spot can he just change his mind and give a penalty instead for a hand ball. I've giving out to enough referees and I've always heard back they won't change there minds if its called it's called

[Round Tower]

This forum has been useful for me but another question. If a ref makes a decision in the 90 minute for a corner and points to the corner spot can he just change his mind and give a penalty instead for a hand ball. I've giving out to enough referees and I've always heard back they won't change there minds if its called it's called

If the corner kick had not been taken, he can change his decision. if the corner kick was taken, he can't changes his decision. Although we had a referee, the ball went into our net but went out of the goal through a hole in the net, quick thinking by our keeper got the ball and kicked it out, we went up and scored, the opposition questioned the ref. about the goal they had scored. The ref. disallowed our goal and allowed the other goal, the original goal was a goal but once the ball was kicked out and allowed to continue he could not bring the game back and allowed the first goal.

[Round Tower]

A game last night one of our player taking a corner, placed the ball outside the circle, the ref. said nothing, a couple of minutes later he done the same thing and the ref. booked him, do not think that is a bookable offence.

[Round Tower]

Is their a referee on here any more, what is your view on the first Barcelona. penalty tonight

[scubasteve]

Someone said to me recently that the six second rule for keepers is gone, is that true

[Subprime]

Someone said to me recently that the six second rule for keepers is gone, is that true

Still there, anything over that is considered time wasting. It's meant to keep the game flowing, it's why kicking the ball away is delaying the restart of a game and time wasting. Delaying the restart of a free kick by standing over the ball, time wasting - Yellow Card. Keeper controlling the ball with his hands a second time - parries the ball down to his feet, waits for an attacker to challenge for the ball and picks it up and then waits another 6 seconds to deliver it out - unfair advantage to the keeper and time wasting.

[Round Tower]

Still there, anything over that is considered time wasting. It's meant to keep the game flowing, it's why kicking the ball away is delaying the restart of a game and time wasting. Delaying the restart of a free kick by standing over the ball, time wasting - Yellow Card. Keeper controlling the ball with his hands a second time - parries the ball down to his feet, waits for an attacker to challenge for the ball and picks it up and then waits another 6 seconds to deliver it out - unfair advantage to the keeper and time wasting.

He is probably questioning the seconds that a GK can hold the ball in their hands before kicking it, it was 6 seconds, pulled very little since, Mingolet of Liverpool was pulled a couple of years back but he was something like 20 seconds.

[scubasteve]

Yeah was wondering about holding the ball, it's at the refs discretion I've been told. But it still rattles some keepers to kick quick and give bad balls when fellas start shouting out 1 2 3 4 ..... just wondering if it's still a thing cause I've never seen a ref in recent years give a free for it outside of mingolet as round tower said

[Subprime]

I think more refs would look at the time wasting by the keeper when he is gone to retrieve the ball when it goes wide and is just strolling along on his way back and then thinks he is practising his Johnny Sexton method of placing the ball for the kick out and he is not satisfied and goes to place it again. I see most opponents pointing to that time wasting to the ref, than a kick out from a ball in play scenario. I have seen refs in local play, and on the telly, give a keeper a Yellow Card for the goal kick time wasting.

The law does state " controls the ball with the hands for more than six seconds before releasing it".

What do you think of the new "sin bin" rule for the coming season? 10 mins for a Yellow Card.

[Round Tower]

I think more refs would look at the time wasting by the keeper when he is gone to retrieve the ball when it goes wide and is just strolling along on his way back and then thinks he is practising his Johnny Sexton method of placing the ball for the kick out and he is not satisfied and goes to place it again. I see most opponents pointing to that time wasting to the ref, than a kick out from a ball in play scenario. I have seen refs in local play, and on the telly, give a keeper a Yellow Card for the goal kick time wasting.

The law does state " controls the ball with the hands for more than six seconds before releasing it".

What do you think of the new "sin bin" rule for the coming season? 10 mins for a Yellow Card.

Have not heard of that, is it coming into law in the PL, worth a trial basics

[Round Tower]

Question, back pass to the keeper, keeper makes a hames of his kick, ball hits the goalpost and the keeper picks up the ball, the ref. allowed the game to go on should the opposition being given a indirect free kick for the BP

[the 12 th man]

Question, back pass to the keeper, keeper makes a hames of his kick, ball hits the goalpost and the keeper picks up the ball, the ref. allowed the game to go on should the opposition being given a indirect free kick for the BP

I'm not a ref but providing it was a genuine attempt to clear it I would imagine logic would dictate it not a back pass any more as it could just as easily ended up an O G.

[corkref]

Incorrect decision by referee, should have been indirect free kick as no other player touched ball after it was deliberately passed back to keeper.

[Round Tower]

Incorrect decision by referee, should have been indirect free kick as no other player touched ball after it was deliberately passed back to keeper.

Does it matter that it hit the post after hitting his foot

[corkref]

"Question, back pass to the keeper, keeper makes a hames of his kick, ball hits the goalpost and the keeper picks up the ball, the ref. allowed the game to go on should the opposition being given a indirect free kick for the BP" No mention here of keeper touching ball so IFK should still be the correct decision.

[Round Tower]

"Question, back pass to the keeper, keeper makes a hames of his kick, ball hits the goalpost and the keeper picks up the ball, the ref. allowed the game to go on should the opposition being given a indirect free kick for the BP" No mention here of keeper touching ball so IFK should still be the correct decision.

Sorry if i did not make it clear in the first question, when the keeper made a hames of his kick, he did kick the ball but kicked it against the post

[Shearer]

Was at a high-profile cup final about 12 months ago.

The fourth official was standing a foot inside the touchline on halfway and at the final whistle (which preceeded extra-time) a frustrated player kicked a ball that was at the feet of the fourth official and blasted it off of his shins.

Surely that's a stonewall red card?

[Subprime]

Was at a high-profile cup final about 12 months ago.

The fourth official was standing a foot inside the touchline on halfway and at the final whistle (which preceeded extra-time) a frustrated player kicked a ball that was at the feet of the fourth official and blasted it off of his shins.

Surely that's a stonewall red card?

Would be unusual for a 4th official to be inside the touchline during a game! After the final whistle maybe! Either way it is a Red Card offense as he assaulted the 4th official (ref). The 4th official can order the officiating ref to issue a Red Card.

[Shearer]

Would be unusual for a 4th official to be inside the touchline during a game! After the final whistle maybe! Either way it is a Red Card offense as he assaulted the 4th official (ref). The 4th official can order the officiating ref to issue a Red Card.
Sorry meant to say outside!

Yeah I thought as much.

[Siberian]

A ball is played into the box and as a striker is about to shoot he is taken down. The referee is about to point to the spot but stalls a second as the ball has broken kindly to another player who seems to have an easy task of shooting into an empty net. He decides to play advantage but unfortunately the player somehow manages to roll the ball wide of the post. Am I right in saying he can't call play back and give the penalty he was about to blow for when the first player was fouled?

[NeverFeltBetter]

I don't see anything in the laws that permit a referee to reverse an advantage so I would assume it would be a goal kick and a suitable caution for the player that had infringed. However, given that the scenario you have described would happen so quickly, I suspect a ref wouldn't have time to even signal an advantage, so may be in a position to award a penalty.

VAR might also complicate such a scenario.