Since when do we boo our own team? [Archive] - Page 2

DotTV

19/08/2006, 2:43 PM

seems like this is splitting into the usual foot.ie groups.

those (usually EL fans) who go to games every week and have a 'fan culture' that logically allows them to boo sh�te when served up at �42 a ticket

and the, ahem, ole ole/barstool/leprechaun suit/event junkie/ semi regular match goer (choose as applicible) who seems to see games as an alternative to the cinema or a night in the pub, ie just a bit of entertainment.

you can argue that it was innapropriate to boo the players on that occasion, but to argue you have no right to get on any teams back when they serve that up is just plain plastic-hammerism.

And what does getting on the teams back achieve?
Nothing.
As eirebhoy said, nobody sings and then when things go wrong they're quick to boo.
It's when the team is down that they need the fans the most.
Its easy to sing when we're winning and then boo when we're losing.That's plain plastic-hammerism IMO

Cosmo

19/08/2006, 3:54 PM

Going to lansdowne road since 1985 (since I was 3 and a half, haven't mmissed a handful of home matches since my first match) and wedenesday was the first time ive left a match with 15 minutes to go.

Pure fcuking ****e - people are entitled to their opinion, but that performance was fcuking muck and staunton looked clueless - he should never have been given the job imo

slow2anger

19/08/2006, 5:42 PM

Noelys Guitar

19/08/2006, 8:06 PM

The worst I have witnessed was Mick Martin getting booed everytime he touched the ball in a 3-3 home draw with Spain in 1983. He was blamed (wrongly) for allowing Spain into score (ashley Grimes was the guilty party). Giles was also booed near the end of his time with Ireland. as was Hand. Its going to happen. Getting beaten at home 4-0 to an average Dutch team is not good. But no points lost. If Staunton doesn't get this team playing as a team fairly soon (as in 2 weeks time) then expect more booing and plenty of words ending in er.

zinedineontour

19/08/2006, 8:28 PM

You are entitled to boo your team off the pitch if the performance is $hite. If there are hundreds/thousands doing it then obviously you are not alone in thinking it's $hite.

Maybe the prawn sandwich brigade won't boo as it is their first and only appearence at a game. But the supporter who spends all his/her cash travelling around the world supporting their country is entitled to boo. The 'oh it might hurt their feelings' or 'you can't boo your country' crowd are the same ones who clap when the opposition scores a goal at lansdowne road.

Really dont agree with booing your own team . What good will it do ? Do you honestly think that the players out there were not trying ? There was no organisation on the field but that should have been sorted by the manager not the 11 on the field . Disgusted me on wed to hear our own fans booing us . First time in a while ive heard it . Not a nice trait from our " supporters " . Arjen Robben was he just booed cause he is far better than anyone we have ?

dfx-

19/08/2006, 9:48 PM

Nothing supportive about booing your own team

Nothing supportive about lying to them by cheering them or keeping quiet when they were sh!te.

Robben was booed because of his diving reputation and rightly so if anyone wanted to as he is a diving cheating little.........player. (I didn't boo him however)

rodoman

19/08/2006, 11:26 PM

Nobody expects us to be world beaters. Nobody expects us to go out and consistently play like one of the best teams in the world. All that anyone expects is that the players go out onto the pitch and give 100%, right from when the ref blows the whistle at the beginning of the game right up to when the 90 minutes is up. There was no passion shown whatsoever by most of the players out there last night. They deserved the boos they got.

I agee 100%. Saw them in Cyprus, and if they were allowed to wear watches on the pitch (Rolex's, Cartier's etc) they would have been looking at them to see when they were finished and could go off and they're holidays.
The rest of us spent �1000+ to see the nightmare.
God be with the days when we didn't have 'superstars' with the excepting of Shay, and we'd give it, pardon the pun 'A Lash'
4 months on a full contract these days will have the Ireland players set for life while the rest of us save and scrimp to see the B.I.G. get back to when we were the underdogs, like Cyprus, when our players had to put themselves in the shop window.
Now that their there, it's like 'do we really give a f**k', sure I'll still be on 20K a week, and that's not including bonuses.

ALL I WANT IS A HONEST 100% DISPLAY FROM THEM, NOT MUCH TO ASK IS IT.
Look at me signature !!!!!!!!!

Cowboy

20/08/2006, 12:34 PM

Nothing supportive about lying to them by cheering them or keeping quiet when they were sh!te.

who said anything about lying to them and it was not vety quiet in the section I was in everytime a pass went astray. Point I'm making is calling yourself a supporter and then booing your own team is a contradiction. We live in a democracy, boo if you want but dont pretend its a positive act in any shape or form.

el punter

20/08/2006, 1:54 PM

Booing the Ireland team at Lansdowne Road is nothing new, and was never more deserved than at the Holland game. As a sporting nation I take great in us being able to punch above our weight and make it difficult for classier outfits by playing with an exceptional drive, belief and heart. When someone who was been given the extremely precious accolade of representing my country fails to show a determination to put in a credible performance then I will boo them and apologize to no man for doing so.

I didn't expect us to win the match, but I demand that every Ireland team does the best they can. We could have lost 6-0 and I wouldn't have booed had the performance been genuine.

eirebhoy

20/08/2006, 6:24 PM

Getting beaten at home 4-0 to an average Dutch team is not good.
I wouldn't say they're average. :) van Bronkhorst, van Bommel and van Nistelrooy can't even make the squad.

nshoop

21/08/2006, 1:33 AM

Irish players will always give it their all. .

:D Yeah duff and keane look very interested when they bother playing and the brits(morrison and co) show great pride and determination on the pitch.Sh*te players can make ok teams if they give 100% effort and show some pride,as past irish teams have shown,but the current team has very little talent and doesn't give a boll*cks(I'll exclude given and carr who always give an effort)

keenanboy

21/08/2006, 10:41 AM

I wouldn't say they're average. :) van Bronkhorst, van Bommel and van Nistelrooy can't even make the squad.

Agreed. The Dutch are a very tidy outfit and were let down by a lack of discipline in the World Cup rather than a lack of talent.

eirebhoy

21/08/2006, 10:54 AM

:D Yeah duff and keane look very interested when they bother playing and the brits(morrison and co) show great pride and determination on the pitch.
Duff? Man of the match in almost every friendly he plays in.

DotTV

21/08/2006, 11:16 AM

You are entitled to boo your team off the pitch if the performance is $hite. If there are hundreds/thousands doing it then obviously you are not alone in thinking it's $hite.

Maybe the prawn sandwich brigade won't boo as it is their first and only appearence at a game. But the supporter who spends all his/her cash travelling around the world supporting their country is entitled to boo. The 'oh it might hurt their feelings' or 'you can't boo your country' crowd are the same ones who clap when the opposition scores a goal at lansdowne road.

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

Roverstillidie

21/08/2006, 11:18 AM

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

and the prize for stating the bleedin obvious goes to :rolleyes:

you are right. delaney knows best. dont think. just consume. heaven forbid the fans create an atmosphere, good or bad.

Duffman

21/08/2006, 12:39 PM

Impossible to say I suppose but I would be curious how many of these booing/beat the traffic merchants have nailed down their Stuttgart tickets. How typical it may be for the FAI to have supplied the negative merchants with tickets :mad:

DotTV

21/08/2006, 12:40 PM

Thats not what I said Rovers and I never mentioned Delaney so don't be putting words in my mouth.
My point is you should always support the team, good or bad.
Nothing positive comes from booing the team.It didn't make them play any better, did it?

slow2anger

21/08/2006, 1:58 PM

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

Fair enough. Go on and keep applauding poor performances.

DotTV

21/08/2006, 2:14 PM

Fair enough. Go on and keep applauding poor performances.

It's not applauding poor performances, it's supporting the team when they're down and need the fans the most.

osarusan

21/08/2006, 2:45 PM

Point I'm making is calling yourself a supporter and then booing your own team is a contradiction.

Didnt see the game so I cant comment on the effort made by the players, or Stauntons tactics etc.

But I disagree with the above comment. I think that part of being a supporter is the willingness to criticize a team when they are playing badly. Dont support the team blindly, understand the game and the abilities and limits of your team.

Booing may not be positive criticism, but I think it is a valid way to criticize the team.

Were supporters to say "That performance was of a standard which was not acceptable to the supporters", I think most people would say that was a fair point.

Booing, in my opinion, sends the same message.

nshoop

21/08/2006, 2:57 PM

Duff? Man of the match in almost every friendly he plays in.

Says it all really

eirebhoy

21/08/2006, 4:27 PM

Says it all really
:D So you think he only tries in friendlies?

Green Tribe

21/08/2006, 6:45 PM

I've been to a good few Ireland games over the years and I can't recall us booing our own lads. Whatever excuse one may off for the final score there was a resounding chorus of boos after the first half.:mad: There was also a pretty big walkout fairly early on, maybe about the hour mark. A lot of us pat ourselves on the back for being such great supporters but that's crap. It's also ridiculous to see different members of the crowd boo different members of the Dutch team depending on their club allegience. I thought this was supposed to be a Celtic sectarian problem but it seems the issue runs far wider. Pathetic stuff.

I agree with this Poor Student, no need for it
:mad:

youngirish

22/08/2006, 1:37 PM

I don't agree with this idiotic opinion that you shouldn't boo your team under any cirumstances and we should just support these embarrasing displays like brainswashed, happy, similing mongos. This is absolute rubbish. Under normal circumstances even if we were beaten at home by 1 or 2 goals by a good team and gave a decent account of ourselves I wouldn't condone any booing but after that shambles of a performance (the worst I've ever seen from Ireland) I think it's more than justified. And also the other point that the players weren't good enough to get anything better from the match and tried their hardest is also nonsense. Liechenstein probably wouldn't get beaten 4-0 at home by Holland so for us (a country with a half decent recent International record) it was a disgrace.

Booing let's the players know (and Staunton and the FAI) in no uncertain terms that these performances just aren't good enough and that the fans now expect better. I'm sure the players (all being highly paid professionals) would probably agree and will get over a few boos. The alternative is to go back to the good old days whereby win, draw or lose we were all happy because we were all only there for the crack and it didn't bother us that we were rubbish. I personally hope those days are long behind us. That loser mentality is what held us back for so long until Charlton came along.

Cowboy

22/08/2006, 2:28 PM

brine3

22/08/2006, 2:33 PM

Since when do we boo our own team??
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since the last time we lost 4-0 at home?

bennocelt

22/08/2006, 7:14 PM

How did you come to the conclusion that it was an idiotic opinion, seems to me that many here do not agree with booing? I dont believe anyone here who opposes booing would say that criticism should not take place, of course it should and did , during the game you could here howls of derision everytime everytime the ball was given away or someone was clearly not giving enough effort. If you consider yourself a supporter then

A. Dont leave before the game is over (take the good with the bad)

B. Dont boo your own team.

If you consider booing equates to having a winning mentality the you really should examine your own logic.

well i agree with his point
yeah your right...a football fan should NEVER leave until the fulltime whistle, thats criminal
BUT of course you should boo your team, if they are shi te then they deserve it
that ireland team couldnt have given a monkeys, and they they didnt deserve your "support" by clapping and applauding them

Cowboy

22/08/2006, 11:30 PM

and they they didnt deserve your "support" by clapping and applauding them

you assume incorrectly that I clapped and applauded (is there a difference between the two? ) I and those around me shouted derision at every mistake made and tried to roar some life into their performance to no avail.

Roverstillidie

23/08/2006, 12:15 AM

you assume incorrectly that I clapped and applauded (is there a difference between the two? ) I and those around me shouted derision at every mistake made and tried to roar some life into their performance to no avail.

and when that failed you should have done what every other set of fans in the world do, booed the sh�te out of them

Cowboy

23/08/2006, 11:59 AM

and when that failed you should have done what every other set of fans in the world do, booed the sh�te out of them

What evidence have you to back up your statement? So your logic is that by booing we can help our teams performance? In any case I dont feel the need to imitate other fans behaviour as you seem to want to.

Schumi

23/08/2006, 12:59 PM

So your logic is that by booing we can help our teams performance?But your logic seems to be that "shouting derision" will help the performance but booing won't. that doesn't make sense to me.

Cowboy

23/08/2006, 3:18 PM

But you logic seems to be that "shouting derision" will help the performance

Perhaps exasperation would be a better word to use, a natural reaction in the heat of a game when you see a pass go wrong or the ball been given away cheaply.

geysir

23/08/2006, 5:04 PM

Booing let's the players know (and Staunton and the FAI) in no uncertain terms that these performances just aren't good enough and that the fans now expect better. I'm sure the players (all being highly paid professionals) would probably agree and will get over a few boos. The alternative is to go back to the good old days whereby win, draw or lose we were all happy because we were all only there for the crack and it didn't bother us that we were rubbish. I personally hope those days are long behind us. That loser mentality is what held us back for so long until Charlton came along.
Where do do get all that pre-Charlton good old days sh�te from, win lose or draw we were all happy, happy with rubbish.

There were high standards at home then in the competitive games, won most, drew some and only lost a couple when it didn't matter.
That party mood, win lose or draw stuff came with the Charlton era.

A few boos after a poor losing performance isn't a big deal, it has always happened, personally I couldn't be bothered and too much is made out of it.
Groans, silences and even applauding the opposition's goals is more
telling :)
As mentioned already, sporadic poisonous abuse thrown at some of our own players/managers over the years, before and during a game, by tabloid brainwashed morons is another issue.

FarBeag

24/08/2006, 1:37 PM

ramondo

25/08/2006, 2:54 AM

I get no pleasure out of booing my national team but ffs how are we supposed to let them see how disgruntled we are with their inept performances.Sent them all a bleeden postcard!Many people were not happy with the effort most of the players put in and made this quite clear.Hopefully they will get the message and play with some pride the next time around.Then we will all be happy bunnies players and fans alike.

Here's how, but probably not possible:

Complete silence.

Imagine it, the players trudging off in front of a full house after another shee-ite performance to the sounds of their own feet on the grass.

That would show them.

Cowboy

25/08/2006, 3:32 PM

Something similar to the deathly lull after the switzerland game

Here's how, but probably not possible:

Complete silence.

Imagine it, the players trudging off in front of a full house after another shee-ite performance to the sounds of their own feet on the grass.

That would show them.