UEFA Cup Draw

[JC_GUFC]

On tomorrow:

Derry (and possibly Drogheda) will be in the UEFA Cup draw tomorrow - here's the list of opponents they could face:

Newcastle United
Club Brugge
Hertha Berlin
Brondby
FC Twente
Gretna
Roeselare
Molde
Flora Tallin
Odense
Start

The obvious plum draw is Flora Tallinn who are "seeded" because they beat Lyn Oslo. Any 5 of the bottom 6 (apart from Odense) should be winnable ties.

[higgins]

Why would Tallin be seeded due to beating Lyn Oslo ?
They wont be

[JC_GUFC]

Because Lyn would've been seeded and they will take their coefficient into the next round. I'm pretty sure anyway - if not Brann Bergen who knocked out Glentoran will be the extra seeds.

[Mick89]

On tomorrow:

Derry (and possibly Drogheda) will be in the UEFA Cup draw tomorrow - here's the list of opponents they could face:

Newcastle United
Club Brugge
Hertha Berlin
Brondby
FC Twente
Gretna
Roeselare
Molde
Flora Tallin
Odense
Start

The obvious plum draw is Flora Tallinn who are "seeded" because they beat Lyn Oslo. Any 5 of the bottom 6 (apart from Odense) should be winnable ties.

JC is that the full list?

I thought the draw was Europe wide this round, not regionalised?

Cheers for any info.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Because Lyn would've been seeded and they will take their coefficient into the next round. I'm pretty sure anyway - if not Brann Bergen who knocked out Glentoran will be the extra seeds.That only happens if the draw for the second round is made before the completion of the first round, I think.

[JC_GUFC]

I think it's for all qualifying rounds, I could be wrong though.

That is the full list. Pretty good chance one of them could draw Newcastle.

[Mr A]

If Talinn would have been seeded for beating Lyn, will Derry be seeded for beating IFK?

[DmanDmythDledge]

Flora are unseeded: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seeduc2006.html

[DmanDmythDledge]

If Talinn would have been seeded for beating Lyn, will Derry be seeded for beating IFK?
Derry are unseeded- see link above.

[sonofstan]

From the looks of it, Gretna might be the best draw - cheap to get to and definitely beatable

[higgins]

You only take the seed of your opponent when UEFA run the draw before the tie is complete.

For the purpose of the draw UEFA have to assume that the seeded side comes through and use the highest coefficient of the two teams.

An example is that the coefficient for Cork Red Star will be the Red Start one as the tie is not over and the draw is tomorrow.

There is no reason for Derry or Drogheda to take the coefficient of the teams they beat.

UEFA QR2 is split into regions

[Dodge]

Gretna best for advancement (possible Scottish tv deal too)

[JC_GUFC]

Sorry about that - replace Flora Tallinn with Brann then.

IFK would have been unseeded anyway in the 2nd round so it wouldn't make a difference to Derry!

Any of the Norwegians or Gretna or the Belgian side who got through the fair play competition would be decent draws.

Hertha & Newcastle would be the worst.

[De Town]

Gretna would be the best draw IMO.

[Poor Student]

It seems the new Inter Toto format is a bit of a hinderance to unseeded clubs. It has added some strong teams into the mix too early like Newcastle.

I'm not sure how easy Gretna are in reality. They've stepped up a division so you'd expect them to be stronger than last season. I haven't traced their summer signings. Anyone know who they've brought in? That said, they're probably still the most beatable and convenient team. Brann didn't exactly have it easy against Glens so they're probably not the greatest either. In general it doesn't look like a favourable group of teams to be drawn against.

[BohsFans]

I reckon Derry will get Gretna and Drogs a tough draw against maybe Newcastle or Hertha

[Dazzy]

Roeselare will be the best draw for us they are a small team and not very good from what i hear from the people in belgium. Gretna will be tricky, their chairman will pump money into this so they wont be a bad side in the draw, so belgium for me either Roeselare or Brugges i'd be happy or hertha :P we can take them on :P

[OneRedArmy]

Gretna please!

Otherwise Lyn Oslo, who we have a bit of history against!

Anyway, as Adrian Eames said tonight, nobody will relish drawing Derry...

[MariborKev]

ORA,

Yer obviously still blocked. Lyn Oslo got knocked out

[ifk101]

Derry and Drogheda would both have a great chance of progressing if they drew Start. There're easily the weakest of the three Norwegian teams and will be lucky to avoid relegation this year. If Derry can beat Göteborg home and away, they can beat Start.

It's difficult to know how good Gretna are so I'd be wary about drawing them.

Hertha Berlin would be a great draw just in terms of the about of money that tie would bring in.

If I could hand pick the opposition for Derry and Drogheda, I would pick Start and Molde.

[MariborKev]

If I could hand pick the opposition for Derry and Drogheda, I would pick Start and Molde.

Logistically Molde is a bit of a disaster to get to though.

[BohsPartisan]

Roeselare will be the best draw for us they are a small team and not very good from what i hear


Wexford would be handy enough to get to too. :D


Where are Start from?

[ColinR]

according to http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UEFACup/news/Kind=1/newsId=439442.html

we can only get Newcastle, Twente, Odense, Start or Randers

and derry can get

Brugge, Bronby, Gretna, Molde or SK Brann.

don't really care who we get at this stage, its now bonus time :D

[ifk101]

BohsPartisan: Start are from Kristiansand, Norway.

Looking at the "new" draw, if Drogheda got Start or Randers I'd fancy them to go through.

[Hecko]

Twente might not be a bad draw either - judging by Njimegen (spelling?) we played a couple of years back, Dutch teams of that level are well beatable

[thejollyrodger]

from irish times

Euphoric scenes as Drogheda triumph
Emmet Malone at Dalymount Park



Drogheda United 3 HJK Helsinki 1 (Agg 4-2): Having grown accustomed to seeing their side eke out the narrowest of wins in the eircom League, Drogheda fans were euphoric at the end of 120 minutes of a frantic Uefa Cup contest last night in Dalymount Park, where a couple of hotly contested extra-time penalties by Damien Lynch booked the home side their place in this morning's draw for the second qualifying round of the competition.

It was a compelling contest, with both sides clearly determined to take the game to the other, and while HJK will feel they were hard done by at the end, United earned their victory thanks to a combination of passion and perseverance that should serve them well if they can reproduce it in the next round.

In the end it was a great night for the Irish side, who were given a long ovation at the end, but having fallen behind late in the first half of an enthralling and wonderfully open game there were some nervous moments for Paul Doolin and his players both before and after Graham Gartland's dramatic second-half equaliser.

Glen Fitzpatrick, who had replaced Eamon Zayed, looked anxious to make the most of the opportunity and he repeatedly caused the visiting defenders problems with a series of strong runs from just outside the area.

And even had the ball in the net midway through the first half only for the Andorran linesman to raise his flag for what he reckoned had been a foul by the Irishman on HJK central defender Tuomas Aho.

Had it counted the goal would not have flattered the locals, who were comfortably the better side over the opening half-hour, when they rattled the Finnish back four, particularly from set pieces, and forced the visiting goalkeeper, Ville Wallen, into one rather desperate save.

United's finish, though, was not quite what it should have been, and having passed up a couple of chances to take the lead, they cruelly found themselves behind 36 minutes in to a goal from Algerian international Farid Ghazi.

The 32-year-old did exceptionally well, first setting Mika Nurmela on his way down the right wing and then tearing forward to convert his curling cross to the far post. But Doolin must have wondered how his normally reliable defence had allowed both men so much space.

At least one of the guilty parties, Gartland, was to make amends in some style 10 minutes after the break when, after a frantic spell during which both sides created clear-cut scoring chances, he powered into the six- yard box to head home Shane Robinson's corner from the right.

The equaliser took some of the urgency out of the home side's situation but you'd scarcely have noticed as the two sides produced open and furiously fast football for the 35 minutes that remained of normal time.

With Zayed and Shane Barrett now leading the attack for the hosts, HJK had a little more pace to deal with, but as the game moved into extra-time the visitors were coping well enough despite some searching balls into the area from Robinson and Gavin Whelan out on the flanks.

Robinson carved out a particularly good chance for Zayed 94 minutes in but the recently signed 22-year-old fluffed his header.

Within a minute, though, the visitors were in turmoil with Aho penalised for handling Keegan's scrambled shot and then sent off for disputing a penalty awarded on the say-so of the linesman.

When the defender finally departed Lynch despatched the spot kick and United were back on top of the tie.

This time there were no slips in concentration and after Dan Connor saved well from Timo Marjamaa, Lynch converted his second penalty of the night - a rather soft-looking one given after Markus Halsti had tangled with Barrett - to seal the win.

DROGHEDA UNITED: Connor; Shelley, Gavin, Gartland, Webb; Whelan (Gray, 118 mins), Lynch, Keegan, Robinson; Grant (Barrett, 78 mins), Fitzpatrick (Zayed, 59 mins).

HJK: Wallen; Lampi, Aho, Halsti, Aalto; Sorsa, Nurmela (Marjamaa, 88 mins), Hakanpaa (Savolaine, 105 mins), Zeneli (Oravainen, 75 mins); Ghazi, Pohja.

Referee: M Prades (Andorra).

© The Irish Times
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2006/0728/1153813832856.html


O'Flynn quick to take command

Derry City 1 IFK Gothenburg 0 (Agg 2-0): Derry City boss Stephen Kenny again waved his magic wand at the Brandywell last night to etch his name into folklore.

Having defeated two-time Uefa Cup winners IFK Gothenburg for the second time in a fortnight, Derry City will progress in Europe for the first time in 41 years.

It was a richly deserved result, and the team of 2006 have now emulated those Derry City heroes of the Irish League back in 1965 when Willie Ross's side overcame Norway's FK Lyn.

Effort, tenacity and determination fashioned this win, and to record a 2-0 aggregate over a team of the calibre of Gothenburg was special.

Killian Brennan failed a late fitness test and Kenny opted for Stephen O'Flynn to deputise on the left side of a 4-5-1 formation.

And what a choice that turned out to be, as the Mallow man grabbed the ball in the 32nd minute following a penalty award for handball and drove the Foylesiders into the next round.

The result was clinched following a deep corner from Kevin Deery which saw Gothenburg striker George Mourad, amazingly, handle the ball inside the area.

Iceland referee Gardar Hinriksson immediately pointed to the spot, and the restricted Brandywell attendance of 2,400 held their breath.

Refusing to negotiate with anyone, O'Flynn grabbed the ball and drove it low into the corner. It was a superb strike by the stand-in winger, as Gothenburg goalkeeper Benjt Andersson guessed the correct side.

Until the penalty, both sides had taken their time to settle. Derry's McHugh and Barry Molloy created half-chances but nothing serious enough to trouble the visiting defence.

Gothenburg also had their moments, with strikers Stefan Selakovic and the towering Mourad always a handful, but Darren Kelly and Peter Hutton stood up to the challenge.

After the goal, and with Gothenburg frustrated, the home side went close to adding a second in the 34th minute. A throw-in on the left saw Beckett play a superb ball into McHugh, but he failed to hit the target with an angled volley.

And Kelly also went close when, following another Deery corner, the big centre-half's downward header was directed to the wrong side of the post.

In fact, Gothenburg forced Derry goalkeeper David Forde into his first save of the match in the 73rd minute when Mourad got his head to a Hjalmar Johnsson cross but the Galway man plucked the ball from the air.

Controversy arose in the 75th minute when substitute Marcus Berg appeared to dive following a challenge with Forde. The referee pointed to the spot, but a quick consultation with his assistant forced a change of mind and Berg was yellow-carded.

DERRY CITY (4-5-1): Forde; McCallion, Kelly, Hutton, Hargan; McHugh (McGlynn, 82 mins), Deery, Molloy, Higgins (Oman, 82 mins), O'Flynn (Martyn, 86 mins); Beckett. Subs not used: Doherty, Farren, McChrystal, Jennings.

IFK GOTHENBURG (4-4-2): Andersson; A Johansson, Bjarsmyr, D Johnsson, H Johnsson (Johansson, 74 mins); Alexandersson, Kihlberg, Wernbloom, Vasquez; Selakovic (Berg, 69 mins), Mourad.

Referee: Gardar Hinriksson (Iceland).

© The Irish Times

[sonofstan]

don't really care who we get at this stage, its now bonus time :D

that's NOT the attitude! no question you can get throught this round

[pete]

Looks like Drogs have the tougher potential opponents.

[Gareth]

The draw is starting!!!!

[Gareth]

Cork vs Inter!!!

[oconghc2]

ac milan

[Gareth]

Ac were kicked out???

[iceman]

Can someone put a link up for the draw please?

[oconghc2]

Ac were kicked out???

not yet - theyre provisionally in the competition - it will be decided next week.

[Real ale Madrid]

AC Milan v Cork City / FK Crvena Zvezda

[Jerry The Saint]

not yet - theyre provisionally in the competition - it will be decided next week.

So if Milan are kicked out, Cork would get a bye into the group stages by beating Red Star....:confused:

:D

[placid casual]

if milan were kicked out surely they would be replaced by Chievo who's place they are taking in the first place.
forza the flying donkeys!

[Sheridan]

So if Milan are kicked out, Cork would get a bye into the group stages by beating Red Star....:confused:
Denis Behan - The Man Who Murdered Irish Football. :D

[Jerry The Saint]

if milan were kicked out surely they would be replaced by Chievo who's place they are taking in the first place.
forza the flying donkeys!

It's a right mess though - I believe Chievo are in there but not seeded. If Palermo got in they wouldn't be seeded either - they might need to run the draw again...?

[Jerry The Saint]

Denis Behan - The Man Who Murdered Irish Football. :D

I'm blaming Georgie. And I think everyone in Cork should too! :p

[micls]

Someone on our forum saying its too late for any Italian team to take the place of milan if they are thrown out(cos Italy have chosen their teams to submit).

Any idea if this is true?

And leading on from this even if Red Star beat to go into the groups would we get the losers third round uefa spot?? Very confusing

[bluemovie]

Wexford would be handy enough to get to too. :D


Where are Start from?

They're Finnish.:D

[paul_oshea]

bluetonic. quality.

[micls]

What time is the Uefa draw being made?

[CuanaD]

What time is the Uefa draw being made?


CL draw started an hour ago,
UEFA starts at 12.30 (our time)

[micls]

UEFA starts at 12.30 (our time)
Thanks

[CharlesThompson]

Justo to clear up on the Milan situation - Cork won't beat Zvezda so there's no need to worry.

No seriously though, Milan are provisionally in the draw and a decision will be made by Uefa as to whether or not they can be Italy's fourth representative in the CL. If not, they will be replaced by the next Italian team in line - not sure who that is.

[Real ale Madrid]

Justo to clear up on the Milan situation - Cork won't beat Zvezda so there's no need to worry.

No seriously though, Milan are provisionally in the draw and a decision will be made by Uefa as to whether or not they can be Italy's fourth representative in the CL. If not, they will be replaced by the next Italian team in line - not sure who that is.

not according to ireland.com


AC Milan next up for Cork in Europe

From:ireland.com
Friday, 28th July, 2006




The glittering prize of a Champions League showdown with Italian giants AC Milan awaits Cork City should they overcome Red Star Belgrade to reach the next round.

Trailing 1-0 after the first leg at Turner's Cross on Wednesday, Damien Richardson's side could hardly have asked for any extra incentive when they travel to Belgrade next week hoping to reach the third and final qualifying round.

There also remains the prospect that the Italians, who have lifted the famuos trophy on six occasions, will be eliminated from the competition before a ball is kicked.

Officials from Uefa are due to meet next Wednesday to rule on Milan's involvement following the match-fixing scandal in Italy. Milan were included in the the draw on a "provisional basis" ahead of a final decision.

Should Milan be eliminated, the winners in Belgrade next week would progress straight to the group stages of the Champions League

[CharlesThompson]

Different to what was reported on the radio this morning then.

[swinfordfc]

Anyone a link for uefa draw?