UEFA Cup Draw

[CuanaD]

I tried do some research on Start, i tried reading the website in my best Norwegian accent but i still couldn't understand it. That's about the only effort I'm going to make. I hope they underestimate their opposition and Drogs go through. For the more knowledgeable out there, how many internationals have they got and how good are they on a scale of 1-10. 1 being Bohs, 10 begin Shels. ;)

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D

[paudie]

it was in the metro over here during the week that they are playing in fir park in motherwell :confused:

Motherwell or Glasgow still a good trip from the English border. Gretna seems to be a really small town so Derry may have at least half the crowd at the away leg.

[Poor Student]

it was in the metro over here during the week that they are playing in fir park in motherwell :confused:

Sorry, you're quite right. I was getting Firhill and Fir Park mixed up.

[ColinR]

Same also! Setanta will probally show our game in Scotland as they have rights to Scottish football?? anyone confirm??

i'm not sure, bbc scotland showed hibs in the uefa last year as well as celtic against artmedia, and they showed hearts the other night, so i reckon they would have it. if they are showing it on bbc scotland, i'd imagine bbc ni would take it as well

[dav_sfc]

At least you know we're number one!

Serves me right I suppose. Should have picked a team from outer mongolia to pick on. Don't think their wit is up to much. Kegus Khan is right behind me.. is'nt he.:o

[Terry]

Same also! Setanta will probally show our game in Scotland as they have rights to Scottish football?? anyone confirm??

scottish domestic matches, doesnt include european ties.

[Dazzy]

scottish domestic matches, doesnt include european ties.

Ah well will be at it anyway.

[Poor Student]

Gretna seems to be a really small town so Derry may have at least half the crowd at the away leg.

There'll be Scottish neutrals coming to support Gretna too.

[paul_oshea]

should have read

of course they want to beat gretna, but surely the should beat gretna? :)

[paul_oshea]

Great two fair draws and chance for both teams to progress into group stages excellant and vaduz got basel which is a bonus

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?

[bluemovie]

Stig Inge Bjornebye is the new manager of IK Start.

[Ronnie]

Nowhere near Abromovich type owner. He looked into buying/raping Pats and Rovers within the last year. Mates with Roddy Collins

I used to like Gretna and now you tell me this!

[ifk101]

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.

[Dodge]

If BBC Scotland are showing the Gretna game it'll be streamed live on their interwebby. The hearts game was. Might be limited to those with a UK aIP ip address (calm down republicans...)

[CuanaD]

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?
That's right - qualifying rounds 1 & 2, then Round 1, followed by the group stage

[higgins]

I thought there were 3 rounds before the group stages. as in they would have to win this next one and then one more to progress? hence cork getting in as the loser to milan ( if they got to the third round of the CL qualifires )?

1st QR
2nd QR
1st Round
2nd Round (Group stages)

[CuanaD]

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.
Do you want to have a go at this then? :
"UEFA 2. kvalik: IK Start - Drogheda United FC (IRL)
Trekningen er foretatt og Start møter irske Drogheda United FC. Start får hjemmekamp 10. august og reiser til Irland 24. august
Irene slo i første kvalik-runde ut finske HJK 4-2 (1-1 og 3-1) og er for tiden på andre plass i den irske Premier Divison. 1 poeng bak Shelbourne som leder.

The "Drogs" spiller sine kamper på United Park i byen Drogheda som ligger ca 56 km fra Dublin. Banen opplyses å ha en tilskuerkapasitet på 5 400 . Drogheda by har rundt 29 000 innbyggere og ligger på østsiden av Irland, like opp mot grensen til den irske republikk.

Alle de norske lagene var seedet til trekningen kl 13.30. Det betyr at Start kunne møte FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL)"

[Jerry The Saint]

I used an online translator on their site & got this:
"The tics am carry out and Start appointments Irish Drogheda Untited FC. Irene struck in first agony - beat edged Finish HJK 4-2 (1-1 and 3-1) and am at present at other accommodation in it Irish Prizes Division. 1 crunch at the back Shelbourne as administrator.":D

John Delaney: You can stick your "Premiership" we have a new name we can all agree on - Irish Prizes Division! :)

[BohsPartisan]

I can read Norwegian if you want be to translate something. Talking to a few of their fans on their forum and they reckon they're already in the third round.
Good. Let them think that. Hopefully the Drogs can take advantage of that cockyness.

[ifk101]

Do you want to have a go at this then? :
"UEFA 2. kvalik: IK Start - Drogheda United FC (IRL)
Trekningen er foretatt og Start møter irske Drogheda United FC. Start får hjemmekamp 10. august og reiser til Irland 24. august
Irene slo i første kvalik-runde ut finske HJK 4-2 (1-1 og 3-1) og er for tiden på andre plass i den irske Premier Divison. 1 poeng bak Shelbourne som leder.

The "Drogs" spiller sine kamper på United Park i byen Drogheda som ligger ca 56 km fra Dublin. Banen opplyses å ha en tilskuerkapasitet på 5 400 . Drogheda by har rundt 29 000 innbyggere og ligger på østsiden av Irland, like opp mot grensen til den irske republikk.

Alle de norske lagene var seedet til trekningen kl 13.30. Det betyr at Start kunne møte FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL)"


Nothing interesting.

Quick translation follows.

Uefa Qual. Round 2 - Start v. Drogheda
The journey continues and Start meets Drogheda. Start at home Aug 10th, away 24th.

The Irish beat HJK 4-2 in the first round, are in second place in the league, 1 point behind Shels.

The "Drogs" play in United Park in the town of Drogheda 56 kms from Dublin. The stadium holds 5400. Drogheda has a population of 29,000 and is on the east coast of Ireland.

All Norwegian teams were seeded in the first round. Start could have drawn FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL).

[Peadar]

If Palermo got in they wouldn't be seeded either - they might need to run the draw again...?

All teams had to be submitted to UEFA by their respective FA's before todays draw.
If Milan get the boot, that's it, no replacement.

[NY Hoop]

He's a lot more level headed than Abramovich. He's trying to make the club self sustainable after he dies and he sits amongst the fans and travels with them. Watch out for Kenny Deuchar, a qualified GP and a highly prolific goalscorer. John O'Neil was also a good playmaker in his days at Hibs and Alan Main was a great goalkeeper for many years. There's also a host of other names that have played for SPL clubs in there.

Alan Main played in goal for us against hibs last summer.

Great draw for both clubs especially being away first. Derry have great chance IMO.

KOH

[joema]

The Gretna website doesn't say they're playing in Fir Park:

http://www.gretnafootballclub.co.uk/news/?p=38

Gretna have been drawn against Irish side Derry City in the UEFA Cup Second-Round Qualifying Stage.

The Black & Whites will make their European debut at Raydale Park on the 10th August, with the second-leg at The Brandywell Stadium, Derry on the 24th August.

Gretna website:

Gretna have been drawn against Irish side Derry City in the UEFA Cup Second-Round Qualifying Stage.

The Black & Whites will make their European debut at Fir Park, Motherwell on the 10th August, with the second-leg at The Brandywell Stadium, Derry on the 24th August.

Derry City progressed after a famous 2-0 aggregate win over two-time UEFA Cup winners IFK Göteborg of Sweden. The Eircom Premier Division side are 13 games into their season and are currently third, two points behind leaders Shelbourne.

They must have made a mistake first time

[joema]

If BBC Scotland are showing the Gretna game it'll be streamed live on their interwebby. The hearts game was. Might be limited to those with a UK aIP ip address (calm down republicans...)

Does Ireland count as the UK for IP addresses? If not isnt there some way of changing your IP address?

[bigmac]

Does Ireland count as the UK for IP addresses? If not isnt there some way of changing your IP address?

not aware of it, and I've tried before - Ireland does not count as uk

[Terry]

Do you want to have a go at this then? :
"UEFA 2. kvalik: IK Start - Drogheda United FC (IRL)
Trekningen er foretatt og Start møter irske Drogheda United FC. Start får hjemmekamp 10. august og reiser til Irland 24. august
Irene slo i første kvalik-runde ut finske HJK 4-2 (1-1 og 3-1) og er for tiden på andre plass i den irske Premier Divison. 1 poeng bak Shelbourne som leder.

The "Drogs" spiller sine kamper på United Park i byen Drogheda som ligger ca 56 km fra Dublin. Banen opplyses å ha en tilskuerkapasitet på 5 400 . Drogheda by har rundt 29 000 innbyggere og ligger på østsiden av Irland, like opp mot grensen til den irske republikk.

Alle de norske lagene var seedet til trekningen kl 13.30. Det betyr at Start kunne møte FK Ventspils (LAT), FBK Kaunas (LIT), Drogheda United FC (IRL), FC Levadia Tallinn (EST) eller Llanelli AFC (WAL)"
Start drew drogheda for the next round. playing at home on the 10th of august and in Ireland on the 24th of august.
They beat HJK in the previous round 4-2(1-1 and 3-1) and are currently in 2nd postion in the league 1 place behind leaders shelbourne.

The "Drogs" play at united park in drogheda which is 56kn from dublin. Total capacity of 5,400. Drogeda have a population of 29,000...something, something,something.

the pot cvontained the following teams ........

Not bad ah?:)

[joema]

not aware of it, and I've tried before - Ireland does not count as uk

Ok cheers for the info. I know that some people are able to change their ip address - for eg they change it so that they dont have to wait an hour between downloads on sites such as rapidshare. It seems relatively easy but I dont have much of a clue

[Dodge]

Depends on your ISP, I'm NTL and have UK IP address, I believe UTV subsribers are the same.

[Sheridan]

I'm with UTV and couldn't access the BBC's geographically-restricted content during the World Cup.

[Dodge]

My friend used to be able to (on UTV), they must have changed. Sorry.

I can access the BBC stuff

[EnDai]

No, 2.

[bigmac]

No, 2.

Although there is then a first round proper before the group stages so you have to win 3 ties to get there. 2 qualifying rounds and then the first round proper.

[BohsFans]

Does Ireland count as the UK for IP addresses?

read that back to yourself and listen to how stupid and ridiculous it sounds! :rolleyes:

[joema]

read that back to yourself and listen to how stupid and ridiculous it sounds! :rolleyes:

What are you on about?:confused: :confused:

[BohsFans]

What are you on about?:confused: :confused:

Why would Ireland count as the UK?

[The_Runner]

I tried do some research on Start, i tried reading the website in my best Norwegian accent but i still couldn't understand it. That's about the only effort I'm going to make.

Since I'm stilling hanging around here waiting for news about Joxer and if a move to LSK is emerging, I can give you some info.

First of, everybody in Norway speaks, writes and read english so there should be no prob going to their forum for further discussion.

Start, as you know, ended second last year after leading the league most of the season, but horrible last part of their season gave the title to Vålerenga. And the trend seems to have continued trough this season. Recently they fired their coach, Tom Nordli, and assigned the assistant coach of the Norwegian national team, Stig Inge Bjørnebye.

That seems to have them pretty much back on track as we knew them first part of last years season. Lately they've beaten the current leader of the Norwegian league, Brann, in the cup and last weekend it was Rosenborg who got sent home with a defeat.

They have some very good midfielders in Hæstad and Strømstad, who both is considered regulars in the national squad. Their defense is tight, but the keeper and attackers seems to be their soft spot.

As for their new coach, Bjørnebye, he had a long spell with Liverpool from 92 until 2000 and then in Blackburn until 2002 when he had to retire due to an eye-injury.

I heard on the radio today that the assistant coach regarded this draw as very good for Start.

Best Regards

Ronnie "The Runner"

[joema]

Why would Ireland count as the UK?

Well Dodge is in Ireland and he has a UK IP address.

[joema]

Ronnie, just a quick question: Is Daniel Fredheim Holm of Valerenga any good? Always buy him in Football Manager and hes class

[pete]

Well Dodge is in Ireland and he has a UK IP address.

West Brit! :D

Will be the first time all the Brandywell lads happy to be part of the UK. :p

Gretna had average league attendance of 1,300 last year.

[The_Runner]

Ronnie, just a quick question: Is Daniel Fredheim Holm of Valerenga any good? Always buy him in Football Manager and hes class

I hate to say so, as I really hate Vålerenga, but yes he's good. Though it seems like he does not progress as fast as many thought he would do when he joined Vålerenga. Considering he's a striker, he doesn't score that many goals. I would like to have him in LSK.

Cheers

Ronnie "The Runner"

[BohsFans]

Since I'm stilling hanging around here waiting for news about Joxer and if a move to LSK is emerging, I can give you some info.


Bad news for you on that!

At his own request Joxer and Bohs have started talking about a new contract.

When that contract is up, he'll look at moving back to England, but a move to Norway is dead in the water.


All of this is down to our new elite training facilites at DCU, as he wants to do a bit of study! :o

[joema]

I hate to say so, as I really hate Vålerenga, but yes he's good. Though it seems like he does not progress as fast as many thought he would do when he joined Vålerenga. Considering he's a striker, he doesn't score that many goals. I would like to have him in LSK.

Cheers

Ronnie "The Runner"

Cheers Ronnie

[Poor Student]

right so let me get this straight.drogheda have a team from the lower reaches of the norweigen league and derry get a team of Scottish part timers(i follow them for betting purposes).add all this to the fact the winners go to the uefa cup proper.now am i right i find it hard to believe because if it is its our best chance of having one if not two teams in the competiton proper

Start are 12th in a 14 team league but it's a very tight table. Gretna have just been promoted to the Scottish 1st Division but they have a squad of experienced former SPL players and a hugely prolific GP up front and are backed by a lot of money.

[Dazzy]

Gretna should beat them quite comfortably, even if the game is at Fir Park and not Raydale.

Put it this way, Derry city are just another pub team, but they are no Artmedia Bratislava. They are a part-time Irish team, were a definite step-up in quality.

taken off some of the bbc forums:D Are they Swedes??:D

[joema]

right so let me get this straight.drogheda have a team from the lower reaches of the norweigen league and derry get a team of Scottish part timers(i follow them for betting purposes).add all this to the fact the winners go to the uefa cup proper.now am i right i find it hard to believe because if it is its our best chance of having one if not two teams in the competiton proper

Well Shels actually qualified for the UEFA Cup proper but they played in the game before the groups are decided

[joema]

I like the fact that the Scots are getting a bit cocky - if they underestimate Derry they could get hammered.

[Dazzy]

I like the fact that the Scots are getting a bit cocky - if they underestimate Derry they could get hammered.

Let them think that!

[Soper]

Haha, one of them is using the logic that Dundee thrashed Irish teams in a pre season tour therefore equating that Gretna will win easily.

[Dazzy]

Haha, one of them is using the logic that Dundee thrashed Irish teams in a pre season tour therefore equating that Gretna will win easily.

They got beat 3-0 by Morcombe in pre season ffs and they think they are super.

[dynamo kerry]

gretna are no mugs- they are mostly pro andprobably as good as a mediocre spl side at this point - well bottom six anyway

they have a lot of heart and probably see this as a good draw for them too. all in all having seen both sides in the last 12 months I reckon derry have the edge but it's close and no reason why derry can't go through but they'll need to be at their best.