Eircom League Co Efficient for 2006/2007 [Archive] - Page 3

OneRedArmy

20/07/2006, 8:41 PM

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup.

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4Basic English lesson 101: had I been referring to the score, I would have said "drew with".

Do keep up.....

JC_GUFC

20/07/2006, 10:32 PM

do cork go up from 60th in the co effs?

No, teams only gain their own coefficient points by getting 'results' in the 'proper' rounds of the competition. The qualifying round only counts towards the country's coefficient. Any club which qualifies for Europe for the first time in 5 seasons automatically receives the country's coefficient.

That said by getting a draw last night Ireland's coefficient goes up so Cork's does also. Had Cork got a draw in one of the legs against Slavia Prague last season as well as Ireland's coefficient going up by 0.333 points, Cork's would have also increased by 1 and would have been seeded instead of the Macedonians.

pete

22/07/2006, 9:28 PM

I think next thursday is a big day as will know by then what countries have all their teams knocked out giving the ranking list a clearer picture.

Drogs & Derry have a great chance as a few nice pickings in the 2nd qualifying round northern section meaning more ranking points on offer.

thejollyrodger

22/07/2006, 9:56 PM

lets keep on topic here.. its about co efficent and not results

Dazzy

22/07/2006, 10:39 PM

Drogs & Derry have a great chance as a few nice pickings in the 2nd qualifying round northern section meaning more ranking points on offer.

Just looking forward to Newcastle, FC Twente and Hertha Berlin:eek:

Wouldnt mind Gretna IF we advance.

dcfcsteve

22/07/2006, 11:12 PM

dcfcsteve, im right on that one. uefa banned them from playing in the cup for not joining the welsh league along with the part time clubs playing in the english set up who at first didnt join. these part time clubs had to play there games in england. they were eventualy allowed to play matches back on home soil and still be part of the english set up but banned from the cup. those who joined the league were allowed in cup. if celtic or rangers joined the premier league they wouldnt be allowed in the scottish cup.

Sorry Viking - but I can 100% guarantee you that you are worng here. I can't be arsed to go into explaining the whole story, as I've done it about 3 previous times on here already (once earlier this year), so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Also - UEFA didn't ban anyone from playing in the Welsh Cup, as that's a purely internal matter.

How can I be 100% sure that I'm right ? Because I was told the story direct from the mouth of Alun Evans - Welsh League Chairman, former FAW President, and former UEFA Board member. You may think you know more about Welsh football than him, but with no disrespect I seriously doubt you do....

Raheny Red

23/07/2006, 12:58 AM

lets keep on topic here.. its about co efficent and not results

Oh sweet Jebus, you are serious! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

gspain

23/07/2006, 9:12 AM

Because I was told the story direct from the mouth of Alun Evans - Welsh League Chairman, former FAW President, and former UEFA Board member. You may think you know more about Welsh football than him, but with no disrespect I seriously doubt you do....

:D :D

gspain

23/07/2006, 9:15 AM

higgins

23/07/2006, 1:58 PM

Back to topic - we need both Derry and Drogheda to get results and hopefully one of them to draw Gretna. Save the big sides for the group stages. ;)

Either side should take Gretna and then have a great chance of getting a club coefficient in the 1st round proper. This is absolutely huge. It effectively guarantees 5 years of seeding for the club. It also helps the national coefficient as points are doubled in that round. In reality no chance yet against the likes of Newcastle.

Its not likely both Derry and Drogheda will progress.
I's say both will get very tough games.

Last weekend both HJK and IFK beat the respective league leaders in their leagues away from home.
Both Irish teams are new to europe and you cant let up for the 180 mins if you want to progress. I hope the players and management of Drogheda and Derry dont take it as a given that they have any right to progress.

Its still only half time and the seeded team would still be the bookies favourite Id imagine.

Dazzy

23/07/2006, 2:15 PM

IFK beat West ham in a friendly yesterday:D

swinfordfc

25/07/2006, 1:48 PM

So people can Cork get anything out of tomorrow game?

i doubt with the two lads suspended and o'callaghan still at loggerheads

swinfordfc

27/07/2006, 9:49 AM

After last night game (i taught Cork gave them too much respect and didn't attack them more) Can Drogheda and Derry do it tonight and get into the 2nd q Round of UEFA Cup?

DmanDmythDledge

27/07/2006, 9:13 PM

Am I right in saying our co-efficient is now 1.667(5/3)?

thejollyrodger

27/07/2006, 9:24 PM

1.667 ?? oh my god ! thats a big jump.. Another win and were up to 2 !! incredible. A tall order for a win though in the next round.

ger121

27/07/2006, 9:28 PM

1.667 ?? oh my god ! thats a big jump.. Another win and were up to 2 !! incredible. A tall order for a win though in the next round.

I wouldn't say that. Even 2 draws from 5 games will yield 1 point

Jimmy's_head

27/07/2006, 9:28 PM

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html

Updated. That guy doesnt hang around!

JC_GUFC

27/07/2006, 9:34 PM

Updated table here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html

We're officially better than Liechtenstein :eek:

Hopefully we can overtake the Macedonia's before the season is out - with a favourable draw for the 2 teams tomorrow we could even more into the top 35 above Georgia.

Jimmy's_head

27/07/2006, 9:36 PM

Here's the teams Derry and Drogs could draw tomorrow

Newcastle United (Eng)
Club Brugge (Bel)
Hertha BSC (Ger)
Br�ndby IF (Den)
FC Twente Enschede (Hol)
Gretna FC (Sco)
KSV Roeselare (Bel)
Molde FK (Nor)
OB Odense (Den)
Start Kristiansand (Nor)
SK Brann Bergen (Nor)

Any of the Norweigan teams, The 2nd Belgian team, Odense or Gretna (in that order) pls

higgins

27/07/2006, 10:11 PM

Apart from Newcastle, nobody in there would be too impossible.

Having said that they might fancy a Newcastle side in Lansdowne Road with Duff ?
Drogheda are giving up home advantage and have played there before ?? Then again so has duff :)

Poor Student

27/07/2006, 11:05 PM

Having said that they might fancy a Newcastle side in Lansdowne Road with Duff ?

Drawing Newcastle has great publicity and money making potential but for all the wrong reasons. You'd have a significant amount of people coming only for Newcastle and when you combine travelling and domestic support you'd have a sizeable amount behind them. It could also be quite embarrassing if they won by a heavy score and give the barstoolers another stick to beat the league with. I'd rather easiest possible draws and more progress.

nshoop

27/07/2006, 11:09 PM

Drawing Newcastle has great publicity and money making potential but for all the wrong reasons. You'd have a significant amount of people coming only for Newcastle and when you combine travelling and domestic support you'd have a sizeable amount behind them. It could also be quite embarrassing if they won by a heavy score and give the barstoolers another stick to beat the league with. I'd rather easiest possible draws and more progress.

Have to agree,like to see progression to group stages

Poor Student

27/07/2006, 11:17 PM

Ok, bit of research here. The countries ahead of us in somewhat catchable range are Macedonia and Georgia.

Macedonia have one team left in Europe, their CL representatives who are Rabotnicki Skopje. They drew 1-1 away in Hungary for the first leg of their 2nd round CL qualifier and have the second leg to come at home.

Georgia have two teams left. Sion Bolnisi who are in the CL and lost the away leg of their tie to Levski Sofia 2-0 and have the home leg next week. Their other representative is Ameri Tibilisi who are in the UEFA draw tomorrow.

So, we hope for a tough draw for Ameri in the UEFA and that the other two clubs lose their 2nd legs. Even if we can't catch them this year Macedonia and Georgia will lose scores of 1.166 and 1.333 respectively next year whereas we'll be dumping a pathetic 0.166. We'll get ahead of them next year if things stay the same and we do similar next year.

Poor Student

27/07/2006, 11:18 PM

Have to agree,like to see progression to group stages

Well, I think we have to walk before we can run. The next stage I see is making it to the 3rd round of CL qualifiers more often and our UEFA Cup representatives to get to the 1st round proper. Group stages are another step ahead of that.

nshoop

27/07/2006, 11:23 PM

Well, I think we have to walk before we can run. The next stage I see is making it to the 3rd round of CL qualifiers more often and our UEFA Cup representatives to get to the 1st round proper. Group stages are another step ahead of that.

Fair enough,but getting newcastle wont help

Soko

28/07/2006, 12:14 AM

we'll be dumping a pathetic 0.166

Thats the key, we should never, ever have such a dreadful score holding us back again. After the 0.333 the year after being dropped we should be flying

Poor Student

28/07/2006, 12:15 AM

Thats the key, we should never, ever have such a dreadful score holding us back again. After the 0.333 the year after being dropped we should be flying

Don't make these assumptions though. Have a glance over the list and you'll see practically every country has an exceptionally bad year. It would actually be freakish to have 5 consistent years behind us. Here's hoping though.

gspain

28/07/2006, 8:58 AM

We are doing well to maintain our current run. All 3 clubs put out sides that were expected to beat us.

The big step is to have our 3 clubs seeded in their first games. This should lead to at least awin and a draw each and allow us to keep the seedings and then move on.

The group stages of the Champions league are still a long way off. Even getting to the 3rd qualifying round probably means a draw v the likes of Milan, Valencia or Arsenal. We need to be getting there regularly and thne get a bit of luck in a draw.

Hecko

28/07/2006, 9:06 AM

Don't make these assumptions though. Have a glance over the list and you'll see practically every country has an exceptionally bad year. It would actually be freakish to have 5 consistent years behind us. Here's hoping though.

True, but a few of the countries directly above us are also relying on one freakishly good year - look at Slovakia who are relying on Artmedia Bratislava's fairly freakish performance last year.

IMO last night was a huge step forward for the league and I would fancy any of the teams in the 2nd round apart from Newcastle - though to be honest, they wouldn't intimidate me too much given their track record

Ronnie

28/07/2006, 10:41 AM

Ofg course if any of our clubs played Newcastle we could chant "stand up for the Irish team/club" "is your union jack at home" "were Irish and we know we are" amongst many others to remind our brethern of the clubs they should be supporting. Might not achieve anything but it would good fun!

dav_sfc

28/07/2006, 11:19 AM

I like the positive thinking Hecko. Any team are do-able. There are upsets all the time in football. Bigger ones than Cork beating Newcastle.
Any team that lets their guard down in the qualifiers will be in a mess.
Granted having to beat Red Star and Newcastle over two legs makes it a lot harder. The key is getting into the 3rd round more often by getting seeded in the 2nd round (25th ranking 10-11 co-eff points). Then instead of 2 hard 2-legged games you got a slightly easier and one hard game. Those days could be as little as 4 years away. Don't forget the Uefa 1st round proper awaits any beaten 3rd round team and double co-efficient points!
As Poor Student says, its a step by step process but we are getting there. And quickly too!

swinfordfc

28/07/2006, 11:27 AM

If Cork was to beat Red Star Belgrade, they got drawn against AC Milan in 3rd Round - what a tie that would be :eek: :D

Hope Derry and Drogheda get nice draws and they be in first round proper ie group stages of UEFA Cup

We up to 37th in co-efficient with at least another 5 games to play in European football :)

CuanaD

28/07/2006, 11:29 AM

1.666 points already - with all 3 teams still in competition & at least 5 games (legs) to go - turning out to be a great European season.

Things looking rosey for the rankings for 2009 & beyond: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2009.html (imagine - 21 countries ranked below us!)

thejollyrodger

30/07/2006, 9:53 AM

I think Cork can really say goodbye to the Champions league for this season. I cant envisage how they will score two goals over there. A couple of draws from Derry and Drogs will be fantastic.

This season defintely has been a step up. The clubs look a lot stronger in Europe than ever before. If we can keep this up for another 3 seasons there will be a massive improvement in the standard of the league. We could be 31st by 2009 and northern ireland 48th. Almost 20 places in difference. I think the clubs up north will surely want to join the EL then.

If we could get an average of 2.0 each season we jump to 25th - 27th. Of course thats when you miss out on the first qualifying round and go straight into the second qualifying round AFAIK.

Playing big teams in the 3rd qualifying round may be a daunting challenge but if the clubs do well and dont loose by a hockey score then the irish public will defintely start paying attention to the league. Shelbourne did fantastically against Deportivo.

pete

30/07/2006, 11:51 AM

This season defintely has been a step up. The clubs look a lot stronger in Europe than ever before. If we can keep this up for another 3 seasons there will be a massive improvement in the standard of the league. We could be 31st by 2009 and northern ireland 48th. Almost 20 places in difference. I think the clubs up north will surely want to join the EL then.

The big difference this year is have our best teams in europe & we cannot rely on that every season. Still though definitely more points to be earned this year. With more clubs consistently winning & getting more experience it can only improve & the irish public might view as more than flash in the pan.

swinfordfc

02/08/2006, 3:37 PM

Could Cork get a draw tonight and boost the co-efficient but i doubt it. i think they get beat 2-0 but love to be wrong :D

Poor Student

03/08/2006, 12:36 PM

Mixed news last night for the coefficient. The country above us in Macedonia got an extra win last night as their champions Rabotniki won 4-1 and got through to the next round. They'll now pick up further points as they're guaranteed to go into the UEFA 1st round when they will probably lose to Lille in the CL 3rd qualifying round. The other country within touching distance is Georgia. Their representatives were dumped out with a loss last night. They now have just one side left in the UEFA Cup. If Derry and Drogs do the business then we can make some headway in catching up with these two.

pete

03/08/2006, 12:59 PM

ifk101

03/08/2006, 1:11 PM

The the upside only Liechenstien can catch us. estonia the only country below us with 2 teams left & most of the countries just above have only 1 team left.

Swedes continue their downward spiral with only 1 from 4 teams left as Djungardens dumped out last night.

Sweden's only representative is �tvidaberg from the first division - Superettan. There are coincidently a feeder club to Djurg�rden. Highly unlikely that they will add to Sweden's current score for this year so there is a risk that Sweden's representatives will be playing in the Champions League first preliminary round next season. Pretty amazing considering the finances that are available to Swedish clubs.

pete

03/08/2006, 2:37 PM

I suppose we should get used to Swedish teams scouting top eL player so...

I think will be hard to make any further jump in ranking this season but every point counts as makes it easier for future years.

Looking at minimum 1.7 club points for any eL side in the CL/Uefa Cup next season with Shels at 2.7. I think 1.7 would be enough for seeding against teams only using national ranking points but not enough for anyone with club points like Shels.

Red&White

03/08/2006, 3:06 PM

pete

03/08/2006, 3:26 PM

1st round proper is as difficult as the Cl 2nd qualifying round & current lowest seed is Levski Sofia if they not make to CL group Stages. For example Slavia Prague would half way through the seedings & they were quality side last year.

Even 1 draw in the 1st round is hige for the particular eL club when comes to seedings in draws as Shels still holing onto point from draw against Lille & made them seeded against Glentoran last year.

DmanDmythDledge

03/08/2006, 3:30 PM

higgins

03/08/2006, 5:45 PM

Terrific chance though. Drogheda and Derry will have to play well on the night and take nothing for granted but both their ties are winnable.

Id fully agree!
Not sure if they can both get through but were looking at 4 games here against even enough sides. two wins and a draw is what I would imagine with Derry most likely to get through.

Our coefficient is far from finished this season.

CuanaD

03/08/2006, 5:52 PM

Terrific chance though. Drogheda and Derry will have to play well on the night and take nothing for granted but both their ties are winnable. If both got through to the first round proper you'd like to think one at least could progress, obviously depending on the draw, or at least come away with a couple of draws from the four matches. With the double points coming into play, we could well have our most successful year since the advent of the Eircom League.

to be fair, if either team just qualifies for the 1st round, this will be our most sucessful year ever (1 more win or 2 draws would give us a coeficiant of at least 2.0 and our highest - last year - was 1.833) - getting both teams into round one followed by just 1 draw each there would give us at least 3.0 points for the year!

OneRedArmy

03/08/2006, 6:58 PM

1st round proper is as difficult as the Cl 2nd qualifying roundand the rest......

Its the Champions League 2nd round winners plus a whole host of teams from the best League's in Europe entering at that stage.

As said above its Seville, Newcastle, Schalke, Leverkusen, Marseille etc that enter at that stage.

Cork went out to a tough team, but there's a hell of a lot tougher in the UEFA 1st round if Derry or Drogs can get through.

Red&White

03/08/2006, 8:04 PM

to be fair, if either team just qualifies for the 1st round, this will be our most sucessful year ever (1 more win or 2 draws would give us a coeficiant of at least 2.0 and our highest - last year - was 1.833) - getting both teams into round one followed by just 1 draw each there would give us at least 3.0 points for the year!
The fact that people were saying that they thought it would be hard to beat 1.833 this yet and yet we could end up with 3 is pretty amazing. To be fair, the quality really is there in the first round, but I'd like to think we could get a draw with a fair few of the teams when we play at home. That win over Gothenburg has given me great hope, as it wasn't a 'backs to the wall job,' with the underdogs sneaking a cheeky goal, it was a comfortable, patient, well played, European game that Derry played both home and away and it looked great. Unfortunately, have yet to see Drogheda yet in Europe this season, but I imagine they must be playing a similar way.

Red&White

03/08/2006, 8:21 PM

and the rest......

Its the Champions League 2nd round winners plus a whole host of teams from the best League's in Europe entering at that stage.

As said above its Seville, Newcastle, Schalke, Leverkusen, Marseille etc that enter at that stage.

Cork went out to a tough team, but there's a hell of a lot tougher in the UEFA 1st round if Derry or Drogs can get through.
The quality we face is made up for by the media circus surrounding games like this, and the advert for the league that say, Derry v PSG (my personal dream draw :D ), Cork v AC Milan, or Drogs v Newcastle is.

swinfordfc

04/08/2006, 10:35 AM

Lads/Ladies

Can be concentrate on the next round first ok, lets get through first :p both tough games as start and gretna will think they can get through, norway football is better than swedan football down through the years while gretna will be tough enough.

Out of the four games, if we can get 2 wins, we will be over 2 points in co-efficient and hopefully have at least one team in 1st proper round.