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FarBeag
10/07/2006, 8:51 AM
Why is it that that the English, Scots and Irish always appear to bring the most support to away matches? I guess that if we were in Gemany this time around we would take more bodies over to Gemany than any other nation.I am saying this as there appeared to be a lot of empty spaces at the final last night.
OwlsFan
10/07/2006, 9:06 AM
Becuase they love a big pis* up and will travel far and wide for one.
Junior
10/07/2006, 9:09 AM
Why is it that that the English, Scots and Irish always appear to bring the most support to away matches? I guess that if we were in Gemany this time around we would take more bodies over to Gemany than any other nation.I am saying this as there appeared to be a lot of empty spaces at the final last night.
The English would still have outnumbered us IMO.
hoops1
10/07/2006, 9:13 AM
We have the biggest amount of Bandwagon jumpers
Just listen to the idiots they interview before and after games
Other countries support there league teams first and national teams
second
beautifulrock
10/07/2006, 10:33 AM
We have the biggest amount of Bandwagon jumpers
Just listen to the idiots they interview before and after games
Other countries support there league teams first and national teams
second
Not much of a bandwagon supporting Ireland for the last 4 years. By your name you obviously follow a league of ireland team, fair play but its not a necessary qualification.
England have the largest following of all at this time. Interest to note during Euro 88 only the USSR had fewer supporters. But its all about how you measure these things. If you were to do it to population ratio then certainly we would be near the top.
NeilMcD
10/07/2006, 11:59 AM
A good bit of the Tartan Army are country first and club second and the same with the Dutch fans also. What is wrong with supporting your country first. Its good if somebody has a club team but it should not be necessray. Not everybody is form a town or city where there is an EL club.
Dodge
10/07/2006, 12:05 PM
We have the biggest amount of Bandwagon jumpers
Just listen to the idiots they interview before and after games
Other countries support there league teams first and national teams
second
Thats it exactly. English thing is a fairly recent phenomenon and most of their fans support lower league clubs. Same in Scotland, very very few Celtic/Rangers fans would travel abroad with Scotland.
And anybody who doesn't support a club cannot be classed as a supporter.
NeilMcD
10/07/2006, 12:10 PM
What a rubbish stament there Dodge and you should moderate yourself from such **** stirring comments. You support St Pats, fair enough why is that not good enough for you , no you then have to take on a superiority complex and call other people who support their country, not supporters. There are people who come from towns or counties were there are no EL clubs.
Dodge
10/07/2006, 12:15 PM
Fine. And nothing stopping them supporting Ireland.
But anybody who's only passionate about football 10 times a year is not a supporter.
BTW Neil is there an el team in your town>
nedder
10/07/2006, 12:35 PM
And anybody who doesn't support a club cannot be classed as a supporter.
What a load of sh*t. Typical eircom league attitude. I neither support an eircom league club or any club outside this country. What about players/ club members at junior level?? The put in more football hours than the average el supporter
beautifulrock
10/07/2006, 12:35 PM
So if you dont support an EL club you cant support Ireland, are you serious Dodge? I am sure this is a wind up so I will ignore
NeilMcD
10/07/2006, 12:51 PM
What a load of sh*t. Typical eircom league attitude. I neither support an eircom league club or any club outside this country. What about players/ club members at junior level?? The put in more football hours than the average el supporter
no need to say typical Eircom League attitude, I know lots and lots of EL fans and they are decent open minded guys who are willing to realise that not everybody is lucky enough to grow up in the vicinity or have the passion for an EL club. What they dont have is the snobbery and ignorant views that Dodge just posted. If its a wind up its sad and if its not it is equally sad in my view. Lets not tar all the Ireland fans or all the EL fans with the same brush. Generlisations dont work in this area in my view.
Dodge
10/07/2006, 12:56 PM
What a load of sh*t. Typical eircom league attitude. I neither support an eircom league club or any club outside this country. What about players/ club members at junior level?? The put in more football hours than the average el supporter
Good on you, but I didn't comment about junior football so not really sure why you're bringing it in
So if you dont support an EL club you cant support Ireland, are you serious Dodge? I am sure this is a wind up so I will ignore
Where did I say that? I said you can't be called a supporter. Surely everybody Irish person who likes football wants the Irish national team to do well? How can anybody define support there? Are the millions that lined the streets of Rome/Milan/Naples/Turin last nigt not Italy supporters (in your terms)
I'll say it again, the ONLY people in Ireland who can legitimately call themselves supporters are those who support their local sides. I'm not commenting on people's rights to watch international football.
NeilMcD
10/07/2006, 1:01 PM
What about somebody who goes to every Irish internation home and away and grew up in Kerry where there is no El side or in Clare or in wexford etc.
nedder
10/07/2006, 1:17 PM
no need to say typical Eircom League attitude, I know lots and lots of EL fans and they are decent open minded guys who are willing to realise that not everybody is lucky enough to grow up in the vicinity or have the passion for an EL club. What they dont have is the snobbery and ignorant views that Dodge just posted. If its a wind up its sad and if its not it is equally sad in my view. Lets not tar all the Ireland fans or all the EL fans with the same brush. Generlisations dont work in this area in my view.
Fair enough
NeilMcD
10/07/2006, 1:24 PM
They are supporters as well Dodge, just cause they dont support EL fans, they are Ireland supporters as opposed to people who cheer on their country during a world cup. Nothing wrong with taht either.
nedder
10/07/2006, 1:25 PM
[QUOTE=Dodge]Good on you, but I didn't comment about junior football so not really sure why you're bringing it in
My only point is that, while I respect eircom league fans, I don't see myself as any less or more of a national team supporter than them. And why should I?
Does that mean i can call myself a supporter, please Dodge, please??
You're missing my point entirely. Its a given that you want the national team to do well. If you go to the games, fine (and if you're involved with junior football, you're more entitled to tickets thatn most) and I hope you enjoy the games.
However, only people who support clubs can be called supporters. "Folllowing" the national team is totally different
nedder
10/07/2006, 1:38 PM
ok, this argument is really about nothing at this stage anyway. to be honest it doesn't matter to me. National team ' follower' v national team supporter, no difference.
A face
10/07/2006, 1:40 PM
What a rubbish stament there Dodge and you should moderate yourself from such **** stirring comments. You support St Pats, fair enough why is that not good enough for you , no you then have to take on a superiority complex and call other people who support their country, not supporters. There are people who come from towns or counties were there are no EL clubs.
Ahh .... he is allowed have an opinion aswell you know :eek:
osarusan
10/07/2006, 2:53 PM
Quote from Dodge.....
I'll say it again, the ONLY people in Ireland who can legitimately call themselves supporters are those who support their local sides. I'm not commenting on people's rights to watch international football.
As A Face said, you have a right to express your opinion, and I also have a right to express my opinion, which is that I find your comment disgusting.
By your ridiculous rationale, somebody who grows up and lives in an area
where there is no local or eL team to support is disqualified from supporting the national side.
So, concerning a person with no local side to support, and a person whose only outlet for their support is the national side, your opinion is that their passion for their national side is necessarily less than a person who follows a local or eL side. Is that right?
Could you explain why it is necessary to support a club side in order to qualify as a supporter of the national side?
Could you explain why it is necessary to support a club side in order to qualify as a supporter of the national side?
Ah FFS read all my posts here and point out where I said ANYTHING about people not being entitled to watch the national team.
osarusan
10/07/2006, 3:30 PM
Ah FFS read all my posts here and point out where I said ANYTHING about people not being entitled to watch the national team.
Ah FFS nothing. You clearly distinguished between those who watch and those who "support". I never said you feel people are not entitled to watch the team. What you did say is that anybody who doesnt support a local side is cannot be classed as a "supporter".
The reason I asked you to answer the question is that reading all your posts here doesnt give me the answer.
osarusan
10/07/2006, 3:31 PM
And anybody who doesn't support a club cannot be classed as a supporter.
Your words.
All I want is an explanation.
And I've explained it all above. Tough luck if you don't understand it
WeAreRovers
10/07/2006, 4:54 PM
And I've explained it all above. Tough luck if you don't understand it
Wonderful work Dodge. Every word fully endorsed. ;)
KOH
nedder
10/07/2006, 4:59 PM
And I've explained it all above. Tough luck if you don't understand it
like the famous Cryuff comment - " If I wanted you to understand, I would have explained it better"
gspain
11/07/2006, 10:32 AM
The host nation had the biggest support.
England were a clear number 2. Huge passionate support and vey little trouble.
I thought Mexico were 3rd with incredible support. The Dutch travelled in big numbers on day trips though.
The French support was terrible. Given they share a border with Germany and had agames a couple of hours drive from Strasbourg and only a few more from Paris their fans stayed at home even for the semi final.
NeilMcD
11/07/2006, 10:37 AM
You still have not explained why a guy who grows up in Clare or Kerry and does not have an EL team to support and therefore supports Ireland home and away cannot be called a football supporter.
NeilMcD
11/07/2006, 10:39 AM
The host nation had the biggest support.
England were a clear number 2. Huge passionate support and vey little trouble.
I thought Mexico were 3rd with incredible support. The Dutch travelled in big numbers on day trips though.
The French support was terrible. Given they share a border with Germany and had agames a couple of hours drive from Strasbourg and only a few more from Paris their fans stayed at home even for the semi final.
One of the reasons I was not too bothered that they lost the final.
Stuttgart88
11/07/2006, 10:50 AM
The host nation had the biggest support.
England were a clear number 2. Huge passionate support and very little trouble.
I thought Mexico were 3rd with incredible support. The Dutch travelled in big numbers on day trips though.
The French support was terrible. Given they share a border with Germany and had agames a couple of hours drive from Strasbourg and only a few more from Paris their fans stayed at home even for the semi final.
Hurray, finally a post responding to the original post. Agree totally about France.
But other countries seemed to have big support out there too: Sweden & Australia which I saw first hand. Both were excellent.
Poland & Croatia had good support too. The noise from the Croatian support towards the end of their game with Brazil was fantastic.
And I see the eircom league Talibann are out in force again.
Dodge
11/07/2006, 11:00 AM
Wasn't mexico's unbelievable? In terms of size, colour and noise. And they had a team that deserved it too.
Billsthoughts
11/07/2006, 11:38 AM
Did they all travel over or is there a huge mexican population in Germany?
Doesnt seem to be a particularly wealthy country.
Dodge
11/07/2006, 11:44 AM
Thats what I was trying to figure out. can't see how there would be such a huge mexican population in europe. Would imagine that all the wealthy people in Mexico could afford to go though
geysir
11/07/2006, 7:40 PM
Wasn't mexico's unbelievable? In terms of size, colour and noise. And they had a team that deserved it too.
Yes indeed but would you deem to class them as supporters?
beautifulrock
11/07/2006, 9:05 PM
London has a decent size Mexican population, was flying out of Luton before on of thier games and there was at least 150 of them in the Easyjey queue to GErmany. All in their colours,
FarBeag
11/07/2006, 9:50 PM
Yeah..I cannot understand the French in particular taking such small numbers to a major final. I was also disappointed with the Portuguese, the Spanish and even the Italians considering their populations. I am sure that if the Ukraine was not as poor as it, they would have had big numbers. Looking forward to Euro qualifiers, should be some craic, hopefully making up some how for missing out on the last month.
Yes indeed but would you deem to class them as supporters?
No. International sides don't have supporters. D'uh....
nedder
12/07/2006, 7:55 AM
No. International sides don't have supporters. D'uh....
Explain why? You haven't done this yet...
RogerMilla
12/07/2006, 8:47 AM
I can't believe you left out the south koreans. They had thousands of fans in the stadiums for each game. They were by far the best supporters and one of the most numerous , i'd go so far as to say the most numerous non-european support. loads of non-brazilians were supporting brazil from what i saw
Dublin12
12/07/2006, 9:05 AM
Croatia had amazing support ,their supporters were great in the Brazil game,very colourful and always singing even when they were losing and the women are quite refreshing on the eye too;)
CollegeTillIDie
14/07/2006, 9:20 PM
Ok the reason why English, Scottish and Irish fans go in very large numbers to major tournaments is simple. For 10 months of the year our weather is so wet and miserable we cannot wait to get away from here ! :D
gspain
15/07/2006, 1:17 PM
The Mexicans mainly travelled from the U.S. as far as I could tell. Met a lot of them but didn't get to see them play. Thousands more locked out and in the fanfests than those at the games. They had good enough support in Japan but there was no problem getting a ticket for Mexico v Ecuador at face value.
The Australian support was pretty good too.
They reckon England had 100,000 fans in Germany for each game. I think we'd have been close to that if not matched it.
I actually thought our support there was quite low too compared to Scotland and even Northern Ireland. I suppose we had qualified for 3 of the last 4 so there was no novelty value in having a world cup nearby. The trip to Stuttgart in September probably stopped people going as well.
Forever Dreamin
15/07/2006, 1:44 PM
The Mexicans mainly travelled from the U.S. as far as I could tell. Met a lot of them but didn't get to see them play. Thousands more locked out and in the fanfests than those at the games. They had good enough support in Japan but there was no problem getting a ticket for Mexico v Ecuador at face value.
The Australian support was pretty good too.
They reckon England had 100,000 fans in Germany for each game. I think we'd have been close to that if not matched it.
I actually thought our support there was quite low too compared to Scotland and even Northern Ireland. I suppose we had qualified for 3 of the last 4 so there was no novelty value in having a world cup nearby. The trip to Stuttgart in September probably stopped people going as well.
Don't understand that comment just why would we go when we werent playing? :confused: :confused: :confused:
gspain
15/07/2006, 5:00 PM
Don't understand that comment just why would we go when we werent playing? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Because it's the World Cup. Biggest football tournament of the lot. Lots of fans there from countries that didn't qualify.
appreciate none of the games came even close to that draw with Egypt in Palermo but still a great experience.
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