Harps Statement

[BohsFans]

WTF is that all about. Most DERRY CITY fans wud hate to see harps go down the pan. Enuff of the L'Derry bit, the team is called DERRY CITY

:mad: :mad:

Where's the mod edit here :rolleyes:

I brought up that exact point!

Londonderry was renamed Derry several years ago!

[Soper]

That joke about the Welsh league narrowing the gap with the EL was funny!

[Stevo Da Gull]

I have a massive amount of respect for Harps fan's and nothing but good wishes.:ball:

[Aaron]

That joke about the Welsh league narrowing the gap with the EL was funny!


:D :D :eek:

Who said that????

[anto eile]

good luck to harps
Rovers fans generally all have a positive relationship with harps and their supporters.
best of luck to finn harps getting out of this mess

[Peadar]

why do you english lads get so would up

:confused:

Poor education system has failed another person! :rolleyes:

[dcfcsteve]

1. We are not getting much higher crowds that we got in the Winter this is wrong ! (Fact) Compare to the last time we went up there is a massive difference.

I wasn't drawing a distinction between Sligos crowds now versus when you were last in the premier. i was talking about your crowds now versus the last few seasons full-stop. Which, unless I'm badly mistaken, have increased on average. Not because of the seasson, but because of the level of football on offer.


2.Limericks Crowds are down on last season (Fact) there are only getting 2 and 3 hundred at their game (excluding tonights game).

Firstly, where are the robust statistics to support this fact ? Secondly, how are their crowds this year versus the last number of seasons ? Up, I would suggest. You don't appear willing to look beyond the short-term - either in comparing crowds, or in giving Summer football a chance. There's a reason why statisticians use longer-term averages to draw conclusions from. And finally, where is the evidence that it is Summer football that has been the sole, or even primary, cause of this ?


3. Drogs had no more than 1000 at their game beofre tonight ! I remember Drogs getting over 2000 at games when there was winter football and they would only have been top half of the league then.

Drogheda getting crowds of 2,000+ at their average game back when they were merely making-up the numbers ? Not the Drogheda Utd that I used to know. Especially as they were relegated in 2000, and only came back up for the first season of Summer football. Even if your crowd stats were right, where is the evidence that it would be the fault solely, or even largely, of Summer football that this has allegedly changed ?


Let me ask you a question what clubs is Summer Foootball working for ? And i would do a bit of research this time before i would answer this if i was you.

You're completely missing my point RT. I'm saying that we can't give Summer football the credit or blame for any impact re attendances - because it is still to early to say, and we simply don't have the information required to make such a clear conclusion with anythign other than our own personal views/prejudices. There is almost an endless list of variables and factors that impact attendances. The time of year/season is one of them, and it is frankly too early to draw clear and irrefutable conclusions on the impact of that variable in isolation. Hence - I won't list you any clubs, as my point is that we're just not able to do so right now with any degree of confidence or statistical reliability.


305 at league quarter final tie last week, Pats have been only getting around the 900 or so mark Bohs have been getting terrible crowds of late Shels Shocking as well 1,100 or at a top of the league game against Derry city a few weeks back. I mean fare play if you think Summer football is working please point out something that i am missing because other than weraing your shades and shorts to games i can see an advantage.

So, if the Shels v Harps LC QF had been played on the same night in December, there would've been a significantly larger crowd ? :confused: That is the natural conclusion to draw from what you're saying. That game had a low attendance for a variety of reasons. Such as Shels having a low core fan base anyway, the League Cup being unimportant to most fans/clubs, and the strength and quality of the opposition. Again - if you're going to blame Summer football for something, you need to be able to do so irrefutably and to explain the reasons why.


I know the usual comment summer footy fans will come out with but who wants to go to games when it is raining and snowing :rolleyes: Jeez you may encouter this type of weather a few times in the season were not playing the Arctic football league. Yes it is Colder granted i think you are codding yourself if you believe this is what is putting people off from going to football.

So here you're effectively saying that weather (and, by extension, season/time of year) is NOT an important factor in football attendances !?! So let me ask you - what factors do you think are the core contributors towards the size of attendance at a football game in Ireland ?


If you think that Summer football will bring Champions league football to the league you are mistaken. It would need massive investment to make the jump to champions league football and that will never come about. If Summer football season is kept up we will pay by loosing some clubs and i am not talking about some of the smaller clubs.

I never said it would. I understand that there is no single variable that can be isolated in terms of cause-and-effect in football. Without trying to be rude, I don't think you do. Hence, you constantly point to single and isolated variables to say they either will or won't/are or aren't causing impacts that they were never likely to lead to solely in the first place.


Sorry really need to point this out to you remember Longford last season ? And it was not even TNS or Aber they were playing against.

Having driven over 9hrs on a round-trip from London to watch the Carmarthen game, I am only too painfully aware of what happened there. However, that single game in isolation says no more about the relative strengths of the Irish and Welsh leagues than Shels draw against Deportivo says about the merits of the EL versus La Liga. Again - you're looking at isolated events and seeking to extrapulate conclusive and broad-ranging conclusions from them.

Across the 2 legs Longford were clearly the better team for 75% of the play. What then happened is something I find hard to believe, even though I saw it with my own eyes. In the 25yrs I've been watching football, I have never seen a team collapse so thoroughly and utterly as Longford did. That is why they lost that game - not due to some imaginery narrowing in standards between the Welsh and Irish leagues. As listed in a previous note, on all the key factors the EL is out-performing the Welsh League, and increasingly so.


Just answer these two why do you think Summer Footy is working ? And who do you think it is working for i.e. what clubs ?

As I've said above, it is too early to say - and even if it wasn't, there simply isn't enough statistical evidence (or even evidence that is comparable across clubs) to draw a categorically definitive conclusion re its impact upon attendances. We can all have our suspicions - but to say that Summer football has 100% failed, no debate, and is now the sole or even major cause of attendance problems in Irish football is absolute nonesense.

[dcfcsteve]

I dont have time to read it because i am work ! But it is one hell of a long answer even by your standards !

I was working off of such fruitful stimulus.... :D

I'll summarise it for you - there is simply not the proof available at this point in time to be able to highlight Summer football in isolation as the sole or primary source of the credit/blame for attendances in the Irish game.

[el punter]

Judging by the wordcount of your posts here dcfcSteve, the book should be a veritable tome :)

[dcfcsteve]

Judging by the wordcount of your posts here dcfcSteve, the book should be a veritable tome :)

Brevity has never been my forté ELP...... ! :o

Or at least that's what I try to tell the chicks....... ;)