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sullanefc

22/05/2006, 6:01 PM

watching the news there and they had Dublin and UCD as a First Division game on the screen.
To make it worse the so called sports presenter didnt even have the knowledge to correct it.......
But have we come to expect any different from this shambles of a channel?

Probably should be a first division match. :D Maybe they were predicting next years fixtures.

hoops1

22/05/2006, 6:09 PM

Did they say anything about arriving early to avoid the big crowd?:eek:

el punter

22/05/2006, 6:15 PM

At least they mentioned it all....I thought rugby was the new national sport

Anto McC

22/05/2006, 7:33 PM

Christ almighty,it must be a slow day in the EL when we as fans have to moan about something as miniscule as this!!

BohsFans

22/05/2006, 7:44 PM

Heard the live update on the radio at 8 and the reporter, Paul Butner I think, said it was smallest crowd he'd ever seen at a Premier Division game in 30 years going!

The Stars

22/05/2006, 7:49 PM

Christ almighty,it must be a slow day in the EL when we as fans have to moan about something as miniscule as this!!
slow? if it were any slower we'd be going backwards...:D

EnDai

22/05/2006, 7:52 PM

It was on unison.ie and a few other websites (Google alerts let me know this!) as a first division fixture for the last day or two.

What else can you expect anyways?

Poor Student

22/05/2006, 9:40 PM

Heard the live update on the radio at 8 and the reporter, Paul Butner I think, said it was smallest crowd he'd ever seen at a Premier Division game in 30 years going!

150 at the game. Dunno if that's the smallest in 30 years or whether he just wanted to believe.

Sheridan

22/05/2006, 9:56 PM

Not that it's anything to be proud of, but I saw fewer at our Premier Division games against Waterford (c. 80) and Cork (approx .120) in 2004.

BohsFans

22/05/2006, 11:21 PM

150 at the game. Dunno if that's the smallest in 30 years or whether he just wanted to believe.

beg to differ.

Many sources say less than 100! :eek:

You could also get a brief view on el weekly tonight and less than 100 seems perfect.

The league doesn't need either of these teams. :rolleyes:

A face

23/05/2006, 12:46 AM

watching the news there and they had Dublin and UCD as a First Division game on the screen.
To make it worse the so called sports presenter didnt even have the knowledge to correct it.......
But have we come to expect any different from this shambles of a channel?

complaints@rte.ie

They will never know unless you tell them ..... it would take the same effort as you did to post it on here aswell.

Poor Student

23/05/2006, 2:31 AM

beg to differ.

Many sources say less than 100! :eek:

Were you there? Did you hand count?

CollegeTillIDie

23/05/2006, 6:52 AM

Another excuse to bash UCD and Dublin City by the so called big boys. Tough we are in the premier Division on merit because some of our so-called Rural powerhouse clubs haven't got their act together. When football ceases to be a meritocracy and people get invited into elite Leagues on the basis of Location , the League will turn into something akin to Estate Agency and real football will lose it's appeal.

To use a GAA Analogy.....You don't hear people saying Leitrim should be kicked out of the All -Ireland series because you can fit the entire population into a medium sized football ground do you?

Ringo

23/05/2006, 7:15 AM

beg to differ.

Many sources say less than 100! :eek:

You could also get a brief view on el weekly tonight and less than 100 seems perfect.

The league doesn't need either of these teams. :rolleyes:

is that because we're ahead of
you now.:p

Dublin City 11 4 2 5 8 9 14
Bohemians 11 4 1 6 12 13 13

Roo69

23/05/2006, 8:19 AM

Probably should be a first division match. :D Maybe they were predicting next years fixtures.

Why should it be a 1st division match ? DCFC beat Shamrock Rovers in the play-off match last season and UCD finished 9th in the premier. Both teams have EVERY right to be in the premier on merit.

This season DCFC have started extremely well and are in 5th place, ahead of clubs like Bohs, Sligo, Bray, UCD, Longford and Waterford, and they don't deserve to be in the premier ?

Typical Cork reply

Roo69

23/05/2006, 8:26 AM

What do UCD bring to the league? What do they bring to Irish football that they wouldn't otherwise do if they were playing in the Leinster League or preferably only in the colleges league?

Really now, are you that silly to say what do they bring to irish football ? honestly, i did'nt think anyone could be that, well, that stupid !

What do UCD bring to Irish Football, How about current U21 internationals ?

And on an eL level, how about acting like a fcuking feeder club for most other eL sides based in Dublin ! They produce excellent players and the new crop has just started........ wonder how long it will be before the "big" clubs come sniffing for them.

Maynard

23/05/2006, 9:24 AM

Jaysus I'm feeling dizzy after reading some real sense being spoken on a thread about Dublin City and UCD! Fair play Roo.

Not that it's worth knit-picking, there was no way that there was less than 100.

The Stars

23/05/2006, 9:26 AM

Im regreting starting this thread now because they always end up with the same old sh!te.....mods,please close this..

Raheny Red

23/05/2006, 9:27 AM

Really now, are you that silly to say what do they bring to irish football ? honestly, i did'nt think anyone could be that, well, that stupid !

What do UCD bring to Irish Football, How about current U21 internationals ?

And on an eL level, how about acting like a fcuking feeder club for most other eL sides based in Dublin ! They produce excellent players and the new crop has just started........ wonder how long it will be before the "big" clubs come sniffing for them.

Basically what Roo said :)

And bohsbohsbohs it was nearly impossible to tell the attendance from eLW due to the fact that they only showed the goals with no build up in the middle of the park............

NY Hoop

23/05/2006, 10:02 AM

BohDiddley

23/05/2006, 10:03 AM

it was nearly impossible to tell the attendance from eLW due to the fact that they only showed the goals with no build up in the middle of the park............
So that they could include midfielders in the count? :eek: :D

Roo69

23/05/2006, 10:22 AM

Its rtengland not rterror!

UCD are well worth their place in the league. CHF are a waste of time. What started out as a small joke has turned into an enormous one. Any EL fan who cant see that is deluded....

KOH

Come off it NY ! the whole idea is that if your good enough and gain promotion wether that be through winning the 1st division or through the play-offs then they fully deserve to be in the premier, simple as that ! it does'nt matter if there fan base is not as good as clubs like Shamrock Rovers, Galway or Finn Harps, the simple matter of the fact is that they are a better football side than these clubs, hence the reason why they are playing in the premier division.

Jesus, you more than anyone should know that there a better side than Rovers, they beat you fair and square over a 2 leg play-off at the end of last season to see who played in the premier.

It has nothing to do with your dislike of the club / management team / director / fan base, it's to do with how they preform ON the field, and at the present moment in time they are the 6th best club side in the republic of ireland ! They also run there finances a hell of a lot better than a lot of other clubs.

Speranza

23/05/2006, 10:31 AM

What do UCD bring to the league?

Ciaran Martyn, Clive Delaney, Glen Fitzpatrick, Gary Dicker........

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 10:31 AM

Why should it be a 1st division match ? DCFC beat Shamrock Rovers in the play-off match last season and UCD finished 9th in the premier. Both teams have EVERY right to be in the premier on merit.

This season DCFC have started extremely well and are in 5th place, ahead of clubs like Bohs, Sligo, Bray, UCD, Longford and Waterford, and they don't deserve to be in the premier ?

Typical Cork reply

Heard the live update on the radio at 8 and the reporter, Paul Butner I think, said it was smallest crowd he'd ever seen at a Premier Division game in 30 years going!

Does this answer your question

Roo69

23/05/2006, 10:35 AM

Does this answer your question

No it does'nt actually ! A football club is not in the premier because of the number of fans that turn up for a match, they are there because of how well they preform ON the pitch. Were are they in the league at present ?

NY Hoop

23/05/2006, 10:37 AM

Come off it NY ! the whole idea is that if your good enough and gain promotion wether that be through winning the 1st division or through the play-offs then they fully deserve to be in the premier, simple as that ! it does'nt matter if there fan base is not as good as clubs like Shamrock Rovers, Galway or Finn Harps, the simple matter of the fact is that they are a better football side than these clubs, hence the reason why they are playing in the premier division.

Jesus, you more than anyone should know that there a better side than Rovers, they beat you fair and square over a 2 leg play-off at the end of last season to see who played in the premier.

It has nothing to do with your dislike of the club / management team / director / fan base, it's to do with how they preform ON the field, and at the present moment in time they are the 6th best club side in the republic of ireland ! They also run there finances a hell of a lot better than a lot of other clubs.

No argument they were better than us in november. But they bring nothing to the league, zero. No fan base, no prospect of a ground, no future. Its not personal or anything to do with dislikes etc. They should have never been allowed into the league in the first place. You simply cannot have a club with no fans in the league. When they implode a county that has no league side should be given priority e.g. Kerry, Mayo or Tipperary.

I can only hope your last sentence is in jest Roo!

KOH

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 10:41 AM

A football club is not in the premier because of the number of fans that turn up for a match, they are there because of how well they preform ON the pitch.
Well thats where we disagree. As long as teams like this exist in the premier division, our leagues image is tarnished. It looks amatuerish and pointless. Junior teams probably get bigger attendances.

This topic has been discussed before on many threads and I'm sure we are going off topic by discussing it.

Were are they in the league at present ?

I don't understand your question.

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 10:44 AM

No argument they were better than us in november. But they bring nothing to the league, zero. No fan base, no prospect of a ground, no future. Its not personal or anything to do with dislikes etc. They should have never been allowed into the league in the first place. You simply cannot have a club with no fans in the league. When they implode a county that has no league side should be given priority e.g. Kerry, Mayo or Tipperary.

I can only hope your last sentence is in jest Roo!

KOH

I'm with you on this hoop. We should have a league of teams that are well supported.

I think the best solution is probably a closed shop premier league with teams brought in from Kerry, Mayo etc. Teams with nothing to offer should be booted out into their respective provinsial leagues.

John83

23/05/2006, 10:49 AM

Holy ****, non-UCD fans defending UCD. This is a new one! :)

The crowd was about 150. Pineapple Stu counted.

Roo69

23/05/2006, 10:51 AM

Roo69

23/05/2006, 10:56 AM

No argument they were better than us in november. But they bring nothing to the league, zero. No fan base, no prospect of a ground, no future. Its not personal or anything to do with dislikes etc. They should have never been allowed into the league in the first place. You simply cannot have a club with no fans in the league. When they implode a county that has no league side should be given priority e.g. Kerry, Mayo or Tipperary.

I can only hope your last sentence is in jest Roo!

KOH

Of course that was in jest NY ;)

Yeah i defo agree that a county with no eL side should be given a chance, just as Kildare county were, but would they be willing to put forward a club ? would they be able to finance it ? DCFC can rent a ground no probs, but were would say a side from Kerry or Mayo play, would it pass the UEFA licence ?

In a perfect world, i would love to see at least 1 team from each county have a team in the eL, but this is never going to happen.

Ringo

23/05/2006, 11:00 AM

I'm with you on this hoop. We should have a league of teams that are well supported.

I think the best solution is probably a closed shop premier league with teams brought in from Kerry, Mayo etc. Teams with nothing to offer should be booted out into their respective provinsial leagues.

Where are the teams from Kerry, Mayo etc with huge following, that are dying to get into the Eircom league. Not alone did we win promotion to the premier division, we are now in the top half of the table. On sporting grounds (this is a sport, not a popularity contest, last time I looked.) Do Rovers expect to get into the premier division, by having mare fans than other clubs, in the premier division & not by winning on the field?

the 12 th man

23/05/2006, 11:07 AM

Where are the teams from Kerry, Mayo etc with huge following, that are dying to get into the Eircom league.

Looks like it will be a while yet http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=35493

Ronnie

23/05/2006, 11:08 AM

Would you go away outta that - great crowds of people supporting teams from Kerry, Mayo, Wexford, Tipperary....Thurles Town perhaps? You know what, we'd have a great league if we could get clubs from big populations centres, like Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Derry, Galway, Limerick, jaysus we'd pack them in then, there'd be thousands going every week, regardless of who was playing who, how their season was going etc etc.

NY Hoop

23/05/2006, 11:10 AM

Where are the teams from Kerry, Mayo etc with huge following, that are dying to get into the Eircom league. Not alone did we win promotion to the premier division, we are now in the top half of the table. On sporting grounds (this is a sport, not a popularity contest, last time I looked.) Do Rovers expect to get into the premier division, by having mare fans than other clubs, in the premier division & not by winning on the field?

You're missing the point. What is at issue is off the field matters. Even if you were top of the premier or bottom of the first my point wouldnt change. Again you beat us fair and square in november.

The facilities are in place in Kerry and Mayo (will confirm for sure in Castlebar sunday) and IF those counties want a place in the league they will, of course, have to pass certain criteria for entry to the league.

IF UEFA criteria are strictly adhered to for next season CHF wont be in the league.

KOH

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 11:12 AM

So let me get this right, the way i read that is, only teams who have a large support base should be let play in the premier division.

Exactly. I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking ;)

Roo69

23/05/2006, 11:13 AM

Exactly. I knew you'd come around to my way of thinking ;)

Ah right, so what your saying is the eL should just shut down ?

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 11:32 AM

Ah right, so what your saying is the eL should just shut down ?

I didn't say that. Explain how you jumped to that conclusion.

Roo69

23/05/2006, 11:43 AM

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 11:56 AM

Well you said that all clubs in the eL with good support should only be aloud play in the premier division, yeah ?

my point is that not single club in the eL has good support, and a rough average of between 3-4,000 is not good support, especially compared to other sports in the country (GAA, Celtic League)

You are right. The support is not good. The point is, some teams have the potential for their support to grow. UCD and Dublin City do not. What I am saying is that only teams with large support potential should be allowed in.

It seems that the FAI are doing this anyway at the end of the season and about time. What they should do then is close the door so that these clubs can't get in again.

Roo69

23/05/2006, 11:59 AM

So even if a team is not good enough on the pitch but they have a large fan base they should be aloud to play in the premier ?

Now that's when our league would turnm into a fcuking joke !

sullanefc

23/05/2006, 12:04 PM

So even if a team is not good enough on the pitch but they have a large fan base they should be aloud to play in the premier ?

The "on the pitch" stuff will sort itself out once the "off the field" stuff is sorted first.

Now that's when our league would turnm into a fcuking joke !

It has worked in other sports.

Roo69

23/05/2006, 12:12 PM

Again i would disagree with you there, the on the field stuff does not always sort itself out. For example, and i'm not having ago at this club, But, Galway have a very nice support base, lovely little stadium and are an extremely well run club but they have'nt managed to sort the on the field stuff out, the same would go for a number of clubs.

Clubs will only truely ever more fans and support as money is pumped into there clubs, the perfect example is Drogheda United. If only more local business men were willing to take a chance like this....... Thats when we could see our league and clubs really take giant steps forward, but by not letting clubs play in the premier division because of the number of fans they have is an absolute joke, and some what illgeal i would imagine.

Ronnie

23/05/2006, 12:50 PM

Drogheda is not a good example. Drogheda is doing very well, has had success, is setting the early season pace..... and can't get 2000 for a home league game. And I know United park is a dump but thats not an excuse for less than 2000 going when the club has never won a league title.

Roo69

23/05/2006, 12:52 PM

Drogheda's gates have gone up since money was invested into the club and they started winning things

Ronnie

23/05/2006, 1:00 PM

Noones denying that. My point is that its still not hitting 2000 and the team is doing nothing wrong.
Roo your a Bray fan, I'm a Longford fan. Both clubs have woin 2 FAI cups. Does it make any difference to your current crowds? If my club was top we wouldn't get 2000 weekly either.