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BohsFans
23/05/2006, 1:02 PM
Not that it's worth knit-picking, there was no way that there was less than 100.
I know a neutral who was at the game, on the Connaught St. side, perfect view of the stand and he says less than 100.
DC are a fu ckin JOKE!
sullanefc
23/05/2006, 1:11 PM
Clubs will only truely ever more fans and support as money is pumped into there clubs, the perfect example is Drogheda United. If only more local business men were willing to take a chance like this....... Thats when we could see our league and clubs really take giant steps forward, but by not letting clubs play in the premier division because of the number of fans they have is an absolute joke, and some what illgeal i would imagine.
So you are saying that the way forward for this league is to have millionaire businessmen pump money in??? What happens when these guys dissappear?? What then?? Back to square 1? The only way this league is going to move forward is if all teams are self sustaining, and attractive to customers/fans. Having teams like UCD and Dublin City in the premier is not attractive to fans as attendances can prove.
Raheny Red
23/05/2006, 1:14 PM
From today's STAR:
"Both sides are in this Division on merit and there's every chance they will be good enough on the pitch to stay there. But those detractors who would like to see the Dublin duo left out of a proposed new FAI Superleague will use last night's embarrassingly small attendance as their main argument. This did not feel like a Premier Division clash with neither side having a substantial support base to speak of. It's tough on the players and staff at both clubs."
BohsFans
23/05/2006, 1:20 PM
From today's STAR:
at the end of the day, the league needs money to survive.
How unearth are you going to attract any sponsors with a game that had the attendence of a game in the local park? :rolleyes:
Noones denying that. My point is that its still not hitting 2000 and the team is doing nothing wrong.
Roo your a Bray fan, I'm a Longford fan. Both clubs have woin 2 FAI cups. Does it make any difference to your current crowds? If my club was top we wouldn't get 2000 weekly either.
If Bray were in the position of Say Drogheda, Shels, Cork or Derry were we are at the top of the table, very good players, half decent ground then yes we would be getting bigger crowds, thats a fact !
The time we played DCFC in the 1st division to see who won the title, we brough 2000/2500 away fans to whitehall, we brough about 1000/1500 to our semi final up in drogheda last year.
hoops1
23/05/2006, 1:23 PM
UCD - DUBLIN CITY
Somewhere for Demophobics to go and watch EL
Think of the demophobics people
Its where they have there meetings:D
So you are saying that the way forward for this league is to have millionaire businessmen pump money in??? What happens when these guys dissappear?? What then?? Back to square 1? The only way this league is going to move forward is if all teams are self sustaining, and attractive to customers/fans. Having teams like UCD and Dublin City in the premier is not attractive to fans as attendances can prove.
Well it could do no harm with millionare business pumping money into clubs, IF the money is used wisely then this is the way forward, then is they do pull out the club wont be in trouble.
BohsFans
23/05/2006, 1:40 PM
The time we played DCFC in the 1st division to see who won the title, we brough 2000/2500 away fans to whitehall, we brough about 1000/1500 to our semi final up in drogheda last year.
Promotion decider & cup semi, hardly averge games.
I never said they were average games, the point i was making is that when we are doing well, we always get a much larger support. I was answering a question.
Ronnie
23/05/2006, 1:44 PM
If Bray were in the position of Say Drogheda, Shels, Cork or Derry were we are at the top of the table, very good players, half decent ground then yes we would be getting bigger crowds, thats a fact !
The time we played DCFC in the 1st division to see who won the title, we brough 2000/2500 away fans to whitehall, we brough about 1000/1500 to our semi final up in drogheda last year.
Roo Yes your crowd would go up, but week in week over 2000 people? Only Cork do that consistently (for Derry fans look back to the season before last). As for getting bigger crowds in the 1st, ask Sligo, 5000 to see them win 1st division title, less than half that for first home game in premier.
Patronizer
23/05/2006, 1:57 PM
Maybe RTE got their info from the FAI?
Your not half wrong there. Seen FAI homepage? They've headline sayin...
Dalymount Park pitch passed fit for eircom League tie
The eircom League, Premier Division, tie between Dublin City and Sligo Rovers
was confirmed for Dalymount Park on Monday, May 22, at 7.45 pm. after an inspection of the pitch revealed it was fit for play...
Will it ever end?
:eek: :ball: :rolleyes:
Jerry The Saint
23/05/2006, 1:59 PM
Yeah i defo agree that a county with no eL side should be given a chance, just as Kildare county were, but would they be willing to put forward a club ? would they be able to finance it ? DCFC can rent a ground no probs, but were would say a side from Kerry or Mayo play, would it pass the UEFA licence ?
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Speaking of which, all those who are in favour of replacing a club who are in the league on merit with a Kerry/Mayo team need to look closely at how the most recent example has worked so far
From the attendance thread:
Kildare - 368 (186; 298)
With an estimated home support of < 100 at their recent game vs. the league leaders. Fair play to those that do support them and keep the club going, but can anyone say they have improved the league significantly since replacing St. Francis. Imagine if St. Francis had been in the top half of the Premier and were thrown out to make way for 'The Thoroughbreds'.
Given the fact that Kildare came into the league with an established ground and a higher population centre than Kerry or Mayo what evidence is there that these new franchises would improve things.
UCD is the only club in South East Dublin - they could certainly argue they have plenty of 'potential', particularly as most other clubs are in a race to the outskirts of Dublin and they're committed to staying put.
Cork supporters can talk about fan quotas now as they're in a strong position. If Delaney's new league was due to come in during the Bishopstown era they should have been very worried. Small crowds for a relatively new franchise in a city which had proved itself incapable of supporting a football club in the long term - CCFC could have been one of the first clubs to make way for a South-West Ireland super club playing out of Tralee...
NY Hoop
23/05/2006, 2:06 PM
Ah but there's a crucial difference. Kildare have never been in the premier so its hard to judge. IMO if they got promoted they would get much bigger crowds.
CHF could build the San Siro on boez doomed site off the M50 and they still wouldnt attract flies.
Point is 5 senior clubs in the capital city is more than enough.
KOH
John83
23/05/2006, 3:20 PM
Ah but there's a crucial difference. Kildare have never been in the premier so its hard to judge. IMO if they got promoted they would get much bigger crowds.
CHF could build the San Siro on boez doomed site off the M50 and they still wouldnt attract flies.
Point is 5 senior clubs in the capital city is more than enough.
KOH
Exactly. Shels, Bohs, Pats, UCD and Dublin City is plenty. I mean, just because the city has something like a third of the population of the country, and probably the lowest ratio of football to GAA fans doesn't mean it can support more than one fifth the clubs in the league. :rolleyes:
NY Hoop
23/05/2006, 3:25 PM
Almost funny. Forget populations there are simply not enough fans willing to go. Look at last nights farce.
Dont worry CHF wont be around for long.............
KOH
Red4Eva
23/05/2006, 3:30 PM
all we can do is wait till next year when we won't have to put up with dublin city anymore
Well it could do no harm with millionare business pumping money into clubs, IF the money is used wisely then this is the way forward, then is they do pull out the club wont be in trouble.
Don't know if you'd remember but back around 2000/01 we got a nice little deal out of NTL yet the money was completed wasted on paying players crazy money and trips before games to stay down in Glen of the Downs now to me that was an utter waste of money why couldn't it have been put to better use???? I see your point re local businesses but relaistically people won't invest money for no returns especially nowadays.
soylent green
23/05/2006, 5:15 PM
I know a neutral who was at the game, on the Connaught St. side, perfect view of the stand and he says less than 100.
DC are a fu ckin JOKE!
100 may be stretching it. I reckon it could well have been about 50
22 players on pitch
10 subs from both teams
2 managers
2 physios
2 assistant managers
1 ref
2 ref's assistants
1 fourth official
1 referee's assessor
1 stadium announcer
2 mascots (that might be pushing it)
1 programme sellers
1 person working the turnstyles letting in
2 fans (1 from each team, they each brought a dog but I haven't included them)
PS Actually I have a fair amount of time for UCD and I'm sure they brought some fans to game last night (probably outnumbered ICBINHF). But continuity Home Farm are a redundant franchise. The sooner Revenue wind it up the better.
John83
23/05/2006, 5:17 PM
Almost funny. Forget populations there are simply not enough fans willing to go.
Agreed. And if there aren't enough people going to games of clubs that can draw from a hinterland of hundreds of thousands of people, I really doubt that a club from some hole with 20,000 people - most of whom don't like football to begin with - are going to be able to sustain a large attendance. The problem isn't the individual clubs, it's the national fan culture and the image of the league as a whole.
John83
23/05/2006, 5:21 PM
PS Actually I have a fair amount of time for UCD and I'm sure they brought some fans to game last night (probably outnumbered ICBINHF)...
We had at least eight that I know personally, plus some more punters in UCD branded gear, maybe fans I don't know, or maybe just relatives of players, etc. A number of the usual group were still in Cardiff.
Schumi
23/05/2006, 5:34 PM
A number of the usual group were still in Cardiff.
Stansted cursing Ryanair for delaying our flight by an hour actually!
Poor Student
23/05/2006, 6:02 PM
We had at least eight that I know personally, plus some more punters in UCD branded gear, maybe fans I don't know, or maybe just relatives of players, etc. A number of the usual group were still in Cardiff.
Pat Dolan was also there with a few people, and there were a few others knocking about in Bohs jackets. There was also a group of random scangers near us who just seemed to heckle Quigley.
John83
23/05/2006, 6:05 PM
There was also a group of random scangers near us who just seemed to heckle Quigley.
More Bohs fans, I think.
sonofstan
23/05/2006, 8:16 PM
We had at least eight that I know personally, plus some more punters in UCD branded gear, maybe fans I don't know, or maybe just relatives of players, etc. A number of the usual group were still in Cardiff.
Jesus, I'm surprised they didn't open connaught st. for you - was there much of a police presence?
How do you know if you're paranoid? when you're at a DC match and you think there's someone behind you ....*
* courtesy Valerenga fan Baggins on our board (originally about FC Lyn)
BohDiddley
23/05/2006, 9:17 PM
How do you know if you're paranoid? when you're at a DC match and you think there's someone behind you ....*
* courtesy Valerenga fan Baggins on our board (originally about FC Lyn)
Brilliant. :D
John83
23/05/2006, 9:20 PM
Jesus, I'm surprised they didn't open connaught st. for you - was there much of a police presence?
Two and a half stewards. :)
How do you know if you're paranoid? when you're at a DC match and you think there's someone behind you ....*
Very good. :cool:
DmanDmythDledge
23/05/2006, 9:20 PM
Two and a half stewards. :)
Explain the joke please!!!!!
John83
23/05/2006, 9:22 PM
Explain the joke please!!!!!
One of them was smaller (and possibly younger) than you.
DmanDmythDledge
23/05/2006, 9:24 PM
Didn't see him!! Couldn't have been worse than Drogheda I suppose.
Jerry The Saint
24/05/2006, 9:40 AM
Two and a half stewards. :)
Isn't Charlie Sheen in that:confused:
The Stars
24/05/2006, 11:03 AM
MODS: please close this thread.....it was gone way off topic.
Breifne
24/05/2006, 11:31 AM
IF UEFA criteria are strictly adhered to for next season CHF wont be in the league.
On what grounds, tell me one area where Dublin City will struggle to satisfy the Licencing Body that they deserve to be in Senior Football next year. The division is irrelevant to this arguement, they should be judged on their sporting performance as to what division they will play in.
NY Hoop
24/05/2006, 12:48 PM
On what grounds, tell me one area where Dublin City will struggle to satisfy the Licencing Body that they deserve to be in Senior Football next year. The division is irrelevant to this arguement, they should be judged on their sporting performance as to what division they will play in.
Financial grounds.
KOH
DmanDmythDledge
24/05/2006, 1:02 PM
Financial grounds.
KOH
Their finances will be better than this year due to increased attendences, more prize money and some tv money.
Schumi
24/05/2006, 1:15 PM
Their finances will be better than this year due to increased attendences.Like Monday's. :D
harpskid
24/05/2006, 1:29 PM
Maybe RTE got their info from the FAI?
Actually, they do.
The same jounos do the match reports for both, so I assume this was something similar
Breifne
24/05/2006, 1:35 PM
Financial grounds.
Is this based on fact or on presumption. Care to share it with us.
Poor Student
24/05/2006, 1:38 PM
Their finances will be better than this year due to increased attendences, more prize money and some tv money.
That's going be be offset by the increased costs of having a Premier League quality squad and the fact that they have previously made a loss in the Premier Division. Last night's gate would not cover rent or running costs for last night's game.
NY Hoop
24/05/2006, 2:57 PM
Is this based on fact or on presumption. Care to share it with us.
Facts of course.
Already posted this but here it is again. Your auditor's report:
"The directors are seeking additional investment from individuals and are hopeful of achieving this. However, if this does not occur we feel that the company may no longer be a going concern and may be forced to cease trading."
The only interested individual is seery. How long do you think before this implodes?
You dont need to be an accountant to work this out. Someone mentioned increased gates, prize and tv money? Hope that was a joke.
No increase in gates, no prize money cos the ambition is to just stay in the premier and absokutely no chance of any TV company televising a CHF game live.
Only increase is in players wages and in rent money. However I wouldnt be surprised if CHF are in the league in 2007 as the UEFA Licensing has so far been a fudge.
KOH
DmanDmythDledge
24/05/2006, 3:10 PM
I you look at the attendence thread you will see that it has gone up significantly. I heard somewhere that Setanta were trying to show every team once live. Don't know if it's true though. On prize money they are in the Premier now. Premier is higher than first just to let you know as you don't seem to realise this.
Schumi
24/05/2006, 3:18 PM
I you look at the attendence thread you will see that it has gone up significantly.
That includes a 'home' game against Bohs though so it's not too representative.
DmanDmythDledge
24/05/2006, 3:21 PM
That includes a 'home' game against Bohs though so it's not too representative.
Still counts towards income.
NY Hoop
24/05/2006, 3:27 PM
I you look at the attendence thread you will see that it has gone up significantly. I heard somewhere that Setanta were trying to show every team once live. Don't know if it's true though. On prize money they are in the Premier now. Premier is higher than first just to let you know as you don't seem to realise this.
You think?:rolleyes: Since when is there prize money for finishing in the bottom half of the premier?
Wake up I'm not slagging UCD at all. Wages, rent, insurance and travel costs to pay with a tiny income? Wont last long.
KOH
BohsFans
24/05/2006, 4:25 PM
More Bohs fans, I think.
and what were UCD fans doing in Cardiff when they had a game in Dublin on the Monday?
pól-dcfc
24/05/2006, 7:19 PM
UCDons hope to attract greater crowds by moving to Wales, and a fans delegation was sent over to finalise the plans.
harpskid
24/05/2006, 11:15 PM
You think?:rolleyes: Since when is there prize money for finishing in the bottom half of the premier?
Isn't there now prize money for all places...miniscule amount, but I thought ye got summit no matter where ye finished. Think last season may have been the first such occurence...
Magicme
25/05/2006, 8:39 AM
Isn't there now prize money for all places...miniscule amount, but I thought ye got summit no matter where ye finished. Think last season may have been the first such occurence...
On the button as usual harpskid!
Ronnie
25/05/2006, 8:53 AM
5k for the bottom half of Premier.
NY Hoop
25/05/2006, 9:52 AM
5k? Oh well then they're sorted:eek: :D
KOH
John83
25/05/2006, 9:53 AM
MODS: please close this thread.....it was gone way off topic.
Or they could be sensible and rename the thread instead of killing off a perfectly reasonable conversation. :rolleyes:
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