Defeat could be blessing in disguise – Jeffrey

[dcfcsteve]

Yet you fail to answer where would Derry finish given that you failed to beat the team that you predict would finish 4th, failed to beat the third best team in the EL and finished two places behind the team that you predict would finish 4th? (Not to mention getting beat by a team that we beat 6-0)

Derry would finish 3rd - possible 2nd.

We've beaten Cork before, though wouldn't beat them every time we meet. I suspect Linfield wouldn't take any points off Cork.

Shels haven't beatn us in their last 9 attempts, whilst we've clocked up important victories against them in the last couple of years. Therefore, we'd continue taking points off them.

I suspect we'd take points off Drogheda, as our defence is solid, and they seem unable to score more than once in any game. Linfield didn't beat Drogs.

And we haven't lost a game to Linfield in recent memory.

All-in-all, I would expect our performance against the other top 3 teams in the EL to shade yours - hence we'd be a place or 2 above you.

On a general side-point, defences throughout the EL are much tighter than they are in the IL, so I could see Linfiled losing more points against weaker sides than Derry would. An IL team in the EL would generally find it tougher up-front to score than in their own league, whilst EL teams would generally find it easier to score against you. The amount of goals shipped on an average week in the IL is ridiculous. There were 8 games in the IL Premier Division on the weekend, with 31 goals in total ! Two of those wins were by 4 goal margins - incl 2nd placed Glens v 3rd placed Portadown (i.e. not a game involving a whipping-boy team). Two weeks ago, all but one of the Premier games ended 3:2 ! Linfield let in 2 goals against a rubbish Larne side on Saturday. Ok - so you've won the league already etc etc, but I couldn't see Cork needing to score 3 past Finn Harps at any point last year to ensure a win (and I suspect Larne are worse than Harps were last year) !

[wws]

Steve - the setanta results do not prove anything - its like one of these circular who's the greatest player ever arguments - impossible to prove given players in different situations eras contexts etc

setanta is a particular context - and in that the only fact that can be gleamed is that Linfield would be competitive with the better EL teams - you are the one extrapolating league hypothetical league finishes with meagre justification.

I see a pure anti Linfield agenda (at the very least bias against them) in nearly all your posts on this topic and scant footballing sense.

They're a good battling side witha positive approach and a decent manager - thats all we can say about them - none of us have any idea how they'd do in a non existent all ireland league and thats fact

[dcfcsteve]

Steve - the setanta results do not prove anything - its like one of these circular who's the greatest player ever arguments - impossible to prove given players in different situations eras contexts etc

setanta is a particular context - and in that the only fact that can be gleamed is that Linfield would be competitive with the better EL teams - you are the one extrapolating league hypothetical league finishes with meagre justification.

I see a pure anti Linfield agenda (at the very least bias against them) in nearly all your posts on this topic and scant footballing sense.

They're a good battling side witha positive approach and a decent manager - thats all we can say about them - none of us have any idea how they'd do in a non existent all ireland league and thats fact


You can see what you want/hope to see WWS. I have no anti-Linfield "bias" - I just strongly believe that the Irish League is much weaker than the EL. Within that - as by-far the IL's strongest team, I've recognised that Linfield are a good side, but not as good as a number of their fans suspect.

Messageboards are for the expression and discussion of views. I've given my view on the relative strength of Linfield versus EL teams - as I'm entled to do, and having been asked to do so by a Linfield fan. If fans of other IL clubs were involved in this discussion, I'd be happy to give my view of their placing relative to EL teams if required/requested. But they're not. And it is all my view, at the end of the day. If you don't like any of this - I suggest you avoid messageboards. But please stop trying to dscredit my views by suggesting their driven by a hidden agenda.

[David]

Derry would finish 3rd - possible 2nd.

We've beaten Cork before, though wouldn't beat them every time we meet. I suspect Linfield wouldn't take any points off Cork.

Shels haven't beatn us in their last 9 attempts, whilst we've clocked up important victories against them in the last couple of years. Therefore, we'd continue taking points off them.

I suspect we'd take points off Drogheda, as our defence is solid, and they seem unable to score more than once in any game. Linfield didn't beat Drogs.

And we haven't lost a game to Linfield in recent memory.

All-in-all, I would expect our performance against the other top 3 teams in the EL to shade yours - hence we'd be a place or 2 above you.

On a general side-point, defences throughout the EL are much tighter than they are in the IL, so I could see Linfiled losing more points against weaker sides than Derry would. An IL team in the EL would generally find it tougher up-front to score than in their own league, whilst EL teams would generally find it easier to score against you. The amount of goals shipped on an average week in the IL is ridiculous. There were 8 games in the IL Premier Division on the weekend, with 31 goals in total ! Two of those wins were by 4 goal margins - incl 2nd placed Glens v 3rd placed Portadown (i.e. not a game involving a whipping-boy team). Two weeks ago, all but one of the Premier games ended 3:2 ! Linfield let in 2 goals against a rubbish Larne side on Saturday. Ok - so you've won the league already etc etc, but I couldn't see Cork needing to score 3 past Finn Harps at any point last year to ensure a win (and I suspect Larne are worse than Harps were last year) !

As said by wws, you really do find it difficult to hide your anti Linfield sentiments. You use the Setanta Cup as a basis for your predictions and you have us finishing 4th and Derry in 3rd place. Now maybe I am just being silly here but I find it hard to take you serious given that we finished two places ahead of you in the group that you are using as the basis for these predictions. :confused:

[Krstic]

This debate's getting a bit stupid.

I think the current Linfield set-up would find it alot harder having to play against EL teams week in week out. As our league would have 4 or 5 teams capable of winning the league at the start of the season.

BUT a Linfield team playing in an AIL or EL would have better resources than most if not all EL clubs and would therefore be challenging most if not every year.

But as a Linfield fan already pointed out, Linfield are not interested in challenging themselves in an AIL, so it's pointless to talk about:eek:

[dcfcsteve]

As said by wws, you really do find it difficult to hide your anti Linfield sentiments. You use the Setanta Cup as a basis for your predictions and you have us finishing 4th and Derry in 3rd place. Now maybe I am just being silly here but I find it hard to take you serious given that we finished two places ahead of you in the group that you are using as the basis for these predictions. :confused:

I've said my bit. Think what you want, with your anti-Derry-anti-Linfield chip... :) . Even a number of Linfield fans have been on the Derry City messageboard discrediting you and your views when it comes to our club, so if either of us should be mindful of taking the other's views with a pinch of salt, I think that says it all.

This thread would've finished over a week ago if you didn't keep coming back constantly seeking clarification on a view that I've already clarified at least twice. I won't be clarifying it again - as it'll only give you an opportunity to tediously drag this thread out for another month. Let it go....

[David]

I've said my bit. Think what you want, with your anti-Derry-anti-Linfield chip... :) . Even a number of Linfield fans have been on the Derry City messageboard discrediting you and your views when it comes to our club, so if either of us should be mindful of taking the other's views with a pinch of salt, I think that says it all.

This thread would've finished over a week ago if you didn't keep coming back constantly seeking clarification on a view that I've already clarified at least twice. I won't be clarifying it again - as it'll only give you an opportunity to tediously drag this thread out for another month. Let it go....

In other words, you are posting nonsense and I have showed how you are posting nonsense so you are taking your ball and going home. :)

[dcfcsteve]

In other words, you are posting nonsense and I have showed how you are posting nonsense so you are taking your ball and going home. :)

Not at all. I'd be happy to continue having this circular debate with you - but it'd bore the tits off everyone else.

There comes a point in an online discussion where simply restating views on either side ad infinitum is pointless, nay insane. We disagree with each other - que sera, sera. You may follow the strategy of arguing a point until everyone is so bored that they'll either go away or agree with whatever you say, but I don't.

If you feel a deep inner need to claim victory in any debate, then knock yourself out with more endless postings. Me - I just see a point where you need to agree to differ.

[Not Brazil]

Derry would finish 3rd - possible 2nd.

We've beaten Cork before, though wouldn't beat them every time we meet. I suspect Linfield wouldn't take any points off Cork.

Shels haven't beatn us in their last 9 attempts, whilst we've clocked up important victories against them in the last couple of years. Therefore, we'd continue taking points off them.

I suspect we'd take points off Drogheda, as our defence is solid, and they seem unable to score more than once in any game. Linfield didn't beat Drogs.

And we haven't lost a game to Linfield in recent memory.

All-in-all, I would expect our performance against the other top 3 teams in the EL to shade yours - hence we'd be a place or 2 above you.

On a general side-point, defences throughout the EL are much tighter than they are in the IL, so I could see Linfiled losing more points against weaker sides than Derry would. An IL team in the EL would generally find it tougher up-front to score than in their own league, whilst EL teams would generally find it easier to score against you. The amount of goals shipped on an average week in the IL is ridiculous. There were 8 games in the IL Premier Division on the weekend, with 31 goals in total ! Two of those wins were by 4 goal margins - incl 2nd placed Glens v 3rd placed Portadown (i.e. not a game involving a whipping-boy team). Two weeks ago, all but one of the Premier games ended 3:2 ! Linfield let in 2 goals against a rubbish Larne side on Saturday. Ok - so you've won the league already etc etc, but I couldn't see Cork needing to score 3 past Finn Harps at any point last year to ensure a win (and I suspect Larne are worse than Harps were last year) !

And if your granny had wheels, she'd of been a stagecoach.:rolleyes:

If's, buts and maybe's.:rolleyes: