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Magicme
05/04/2006, 11:27 AM
Not at the moment...hence my comment that they should "discuss" the games....not necessary to have camera there to have a minute of saying..."well mons played well there yesterday....etc"
Peadar
05/04/2006, 11:48 AM
Not at the moment...hence my comment that they should "discuss" the games....not necessary to have camera there to have a minute of saying..."well mons played well there yesterday....etc"
How are they supposed to discuss the games unless they have seen them?
I would imagine that Pat Scully wasn't there at the request of TV3.
You're fighting a losing battle. Read the local papers if you want match reports.
Magicme
05/04/2006, 11:57 AM
I wasnt fighting any battle! I just commented that its a pity that they dont give a bit more time to 1st Division coz some of us care about it. I do read the papers but on Monday the only one with any coverage of our game was the Star. I have no doubt that Scully wasnt there on request of TV3 but I dont think that a comment or 2 from him on what he had seen would have gone astray!
mypost
05/04/2006, 12:15 PM
eircom league weekly isn't great but at least TV3 are trying.
Afaik, TV3's NL weekly show is set for the axe, as their deal with the international team expires at the end of the year. They've also lost the CL rights too, after this year's semi-final. If that's the case, Setanta should take over next year, and if so, will do a far better job, by marketing the league properly, covering games with professional cameras, free of charge to the clubs. They're the only broadcaster who actually give a toss about the LOI.
Peadar
05/04/2006, 12:25 PM
They're the only broadcaster who actually give a toss about the LOI.
Lets be objective here! There are few LOI clubs who seem to "give a toss" about the broadcasters in Ireland.
Poor lighting.
Unsuitable TV gantries.
Insufficient camera mount points.
There's a lot more that the clubs could be doing to help themselves.
I do agree however, that Setanta are likely to make a decent effort, judging by what we've seen of their coverage to date.
They're also more likely to screen a longer show, at a more convenient time.
What percentage of the population has Setanta Sports though?
mypost
05/04/2006, 12:36 PM
Poor lighting.
Unsuitable TV gantries.
Insufficient camera mount points.
What percentage of the population has Setanta Sports though?
The points you mention, still don't prevent Setanta from making the average ground look good. They even make Belfield look good on tv. :eek: :)
Similiarly, what percentage of the population watches NL weekly on a free-to-air station at 11.30pm/6am? :confused:
Peadar
05/04/2006, 1:07 PM
Similiarly, what percentage of the population watches NL weekly on a free-to-air station at 11.30pm/6am? :confused:
It's not about how many watch it but how many are in a position to watch it. You may have noticed that Setanta didn't show games from Drogs or Portadown in the Setanta Sports Cup this year. That's because the lighting isn't good enough.
mypost
05/04/2006, 1:13 PM
You may have noticed that Setanta didn't show games from Drogs or Portadown in the Setanta Sports Cup this year. That's because the lighting isn't good enough.
...or the fact, that there were other fixtures that were considered to be of more interest to their viewers on the night. I simply don't buy excuses about lighting quality. Floodlights are floodlights are floodlights. Ftr, they did show games from Portadown last year.
Peadar
05/04/2006, 1:30 PM
Floodlights are floodlights are floodlights.
Read the Club Licensing document.
None of this changes the fact that if clubs like Monaghan don't supply footage from their games, it doesn't matter who produces the show, they're unlikely to discuss games that they haven't seen.
Trainee
05/04/2006, 1:42 PM
The first division is just as important as the premier Div
The Iish media should give it more coverage. Nearly most of the times on 2fm/today fm they wont even give fixtures or results on their sports news
It would only take 30 secs on eircom weekly to even comment on the table etc
How many Cork/ Shels fans etc would still go to the games if they were in the bottom half of the first division
It is easy to support a team who sucessful
Schumi
05/04/2006, 1:44 PM
It would only take 30 secs on eircom weekly to even comment on the table etc
They do. It doesn't add much to just reading the table!
monutdfc
05/04/2006, 1:47 PM
The first division is just as important as the premier Div
No it is not. FACT!
Floodlights differ, and there is a certain minimum lighting strength needed for televised games (I remember someone beiong an expert on this matter on JW's old eircom league forum)
padzer
05/04/2006, 1:48 PM
I think Setanta would do a good job of an EL highlights show, if their Serie A highlights show is anything to go by. They give decent stats and coverage, although there is no studio chat. But id rather more coverage and goals with a voiceover than whats on offer on TV3. They also have a good Scotish weekly round-up. Only problem is not everyone in the country has Setanta.
Peadar
05/04/2006, 1:48 PM
It is easy to support a team who sucessful
It's easier to watch the football they play too.
Not always easy to watch some of the shíte in the First Division though.
Schumi
05/04/2006, 1:51 PM
I think Setanta would do a good job of an EL highlights show, if their Serie A highlights show is anything to go by. They give decent stats and coverage, although there is no studio chat. But id rather more coverage and goals with a voiceover than whats on offer on TV3.
I assume that's a generic show produced by the Italian league. I think Setanta would do a better job than the current TV3 version though. Maybe they could sell it on to RTE or TV3 for them to show a day later or something?
Maybe they could sell it on to RTE or TV3 for them to show a day later or something?
It would still have to be shown at a decent time.
11.30pm and 6am are ridiculous times to show the programme.
Peadar
05/04/2006, 2:04 PM
I've gone to the trouble to look up this information from the Club Licensing Manual and post it here to show the different floodlighting requirments for the various license category's.
A License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System complying with the minimum average lux level specified in the relevant UEFA club competitions regulations. If this is not achieved UEFA may allow daylight kick off time. The FAI will issue an FAI floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
B License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The Floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 500 Ev obtained from 88 readings taken on a
grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
C License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 250 Eh obtained from 88 readings taken on a grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI
Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
Conor H
05/04/2006, 2:57 PM
Peadar you weren't at either game between Galway and Harps so once again your talkin ****e!
Two late golas,a penalty shoot out...controversial goal etc.....good man you know what you're talking about.:rolleyes:
I take it your not better than UCD then?
Conor H
05/04/2006, 2:58 PM
It's easier to watch the football they play too.
Not always easy to watch some of the shíte in the First Division though.
My god ive watched a good few Cork games this year and i wouldnt exactly call it easy on the eyes!
Peadar
05/04/2006, 3:03 PM
I take it your not better than UCD then?
You seem to struggle with fact so I'll spell it out for you.
We drew 0-0 away to UCD. Therefore we were not good enough to beat them. We didn't do enough on the night and as a result, weren't better than UCD.
My god ive watched a good few Cork games this year and i wouldnt exactly call it easy on the eyes!
I was talking about the highlights from your division being hard to watch. Couldn't bring myself to watch an entire game.
Conor H
05/04/2006, 3:08 PM
I was talking about the highlights from your division being hard to watch. Couldn't bring myself to watch an entire game.
Well that's your arrogance.Rovers v Galway was a really entertaining game with good quality football.Not having a go at Longford or Sligo but by all accounts that game was full of hoofing.(just an example no disrespect intended).By saying you wouldn't watch a 1st Divison game is a bit rich.In fact there was a bigger crowd at Galway v Harps than at least 3 if not 4 premier games last weekend.
Obviously premier league is better than the 1st...but no way is the standard of football between the bottom 6 better than the top 4 of the premier IMO.
Peadar
05/04/2006, 3:13 PM
but no way is the standard of football between the bottom 6 better than the top 4 of the premier IMO.
No one ever suggested it was. The reason they're in the bottom 6 and we're in the top 4 is because we're so much better, obviously!
You boys don't half state the obvious!
SeanDrog
05/04/2006, 3:21 PM
Peadar is the biggest poster of bait on this site - why o why do people rise to him. just laugh at him - I think his constant attempts to wind people up are hilarious. :D
here with a picture of Rico on his wall to keep him stimulated.
A face
05/04/2006, 3:29 PM
Moderation:
Lads, can you all settle down a bit in fairness, its a good debate .... try and contribute to it .... if you cant then just leave well alone.
garykelly
05/04/2006, 3:45 PM
Not having a go at Longford or Sligo but by all accounts that game was full of hoofing.(just an example no disrespect)intended).
by all of whose accounts ??? we were crap in longford, but i thought longford played good football in parts and we played well for a spell; all on the ground i might add. one or two long passes doesnt exactly constitute hoof ball. . Conor, when galway get promoted you wont give a crap about the first division. It's only natural that you want more coverage of the 1st division but it wouldnt be a topic if galway were in the prem. I was the same for the past six years of first division football. It's frustrating but once ye get into the prem you'll forget about the pain of playing in the first division. Yer well equipped for Prem football. I've only seen 4 games this season, but derry were the only ones who ran us ragged. There might not be much difference between top first division teams and lower prem teams, but getting out of the first division is the biggest and most notable step towards proving your good enough.
Trainee
05/04/2006, 3:45 PM
the first division deserves more media coverage than it does?
The football is good most of the times when the refs let the games flow (against monaghan the ref gave free for harmless fouls where he could have easily played advantage )
The is gap between the quality of the first & premier but it is as big as most of you think.
mypost
05/04/2006, 6:46 PM
I've gone to the trouble to look up this information from the Club Licensing Manual and post it here to show the different floodlighting requirments for the various license category's.
A License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System complying with the minimum average lux level specified in the relevant UEFA club competitions regulations. If this is not achieved UEFA may allow daylight kick off time. The FAI will issue an FAI floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
B License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The Floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 500 Ev obtained from 88 readings taken on a
grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
C License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 250 Eh obtained from 88 readings taken on a grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI
Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
It's all very well running to the floodlight rule-book, but we all know it's a cop out.
All the league grounds have floodlights.
95% of the entire league's games are played at night.
If there is a title decider involving a club playing in a ground where the lights are said to be below standard, it will still be Live on tv.
Invariably said game will be played at night.
That's the nub of the issue.
the first division deserves more media coverage than it does?
The gap between the quality of the first & premier but it is as big as most of you think.
In England, every single match outside the Premiership is covered by both terrestrial and satellite tv, and have a weekly highlights show on both networks. Non-league matches are also shown live on satellite tv. That's how it should be done, so that all levels of football are catered for.
In any case, teams haven't exactly been pulling up many trees so far this season in the Premier Division. Last week featured 2 victories, Bohs lost their first 3 games 1-0, Cork have had two 0-0's already, Shels have had only 3 draws, not many goals have been scored, and games have been postponed. Hardly worth your hard earned €15, is it?
Conor H
05/04/2006, 8:02 PM
It was not a good game but there was no hoofing to be fair from us. Actually i think our team tend to over play it to be honest ! We were the only footballing team in div 1 last year and when we played against Cork the one thing you would have to say about us is that we kept it on the ground !
In fairness RT i did hear Longford were worse and i wasn't having a go at Sligo....just using an example to proove my point.
monutdfc
05/04/2006, 9:37 PM
It was shown twice. It was the same clip at the same speed though so you could see nothing new.
No, just watched my recording, they only showed it once.
Dr.Nightdub
05/04/2006, 10:11 PM
Here's why they don't show First Division games:
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 475 (316)
Cobh - 498 (403) (missing Athlone)
Dundalk - 725 (474)
Harps - 600 (1347)
Galway - 884 (566)
Kildare - 675 (186)
Kilkenny - 100 (185)
Limerick - 385 (669)
Monaghan - 170 (183)
Rovers - 1600 (1539)
First Division average - 701 (520)
No TV station in the universe is going to broadcast something that's of interest to roughly 1500 people.
Roverstillidie
05/04/2006, 10:15 PM
Here's why they don't show First Division games:
No TV station in the universe is going to broadcast something that's of interest to roughly 1500 people.
seeing as both Rovers home crowds this year have been more than 2,000 (higher than bohs and yoursleves btw) and we took 1,000 paying customers to kildare thats bollócks to begin with
Conor H
05/04/2006, 10:16 PM
i think You're wrong there actually.The reason they dont show them is because the highlights of matches aren't sent in.If clubs provide footage of the match in the 1st Divison EL weekly will show it AFAIK.
Conor H
05/04/2006, 10:18 PM
seeing as both Rovers home crowds this year have been more than 2,000 (higher than bohs and yoursleves btw) and we took 1,000 paying customers to kildare thats bollócks to begin with
Ya i know.Sure as i said already the attendance for GUFC v Harps was greater than around 4 premier games.Rovers v United...probably not too far off it.
Peadar
07/04/2006, 8:26 AM
I'll bet all you galway boys can't wait for eircom league weekly this Monday. :D
Trainee
07/04/2006, 8:30 AM
Yeah i will watch it at the end of the day not only am I a Galway united Fan but I am an eircom league fan
Peadar
07/04/2006, 8:56 AM
I don't think Dundalk have cameras mate. Either way, I'd be surprised if they featured your game.
Derry v Bohs and Pats v Drogs will dominate the discussion.
mypost
08/04/2006, 5:35 AM
I don't think Dundalk have cameras mate. Either way, I'd be surprised if they featured your game.
Derry v Bohs and Pats v Drogs will dominate the discussion.
Derry 1 Bohs 0; Pats 0 Drogs 1
Riveting!! :rolleyes:
Student Mullet
10/04/2006, 11:38 PM
Did a spider die and land upsidedown on Kevin Hunt's head?
JC_GUFC
10/04/2006, 11:46 PM
Not sure but why does he keep giving the post-match interviews? Does Farrelly not know what to say after a defeat?! The only interview I remember Farrelly giving was after the Waterford game :confused:
Sheridan
10/04/2006, 11:47 PM
Missed it tonight.
What was Ozo wearing?
I missed it too, but a sleeveless shirt of indeterminate hue and a slightly bemused expression would seem to be surefire certainties.
Surely a new thread should be opened to discuss each week's show, though the response would never change: amateurish, cheaply-done, boring analysis from two people who generally only see the highlights that we see; and, of course, some unamusing reference to how Rovers did.
I think the lads are genuine but it's very poorly done and Setanta's coverage (for all that they've far more to spend on it) is a country mile better.
JC_GUFC
11/04/2006, 12:08 AM
Yeah it's not the most professional production... I thought it was a bad weekend for us but losing twice over the weekend was even worse!!! :rolleyes:
With Scully there why don't they even mention the First Division? Would his lack of knowledge come out or something?!:confused:
garykelly
11/04/2006, 9:22 AM
But to be fair The two promoted teams have Made a lot of changes !
Yes indeed alot of changes made RT. But Galway would be well equipped and would make the necessary changes at all levels to succeed in the Prem. Anyway the point I was trying to make was to do with first division coverage. We thought the same RT when we were in the first division and its the same topic again. The first division will never be covered in a highlights programme of just over 30 mins.
Its a case of clubs helping themselves.We moaned for years that we never had games shown. Then Sligo Rovers took the issue in hand and got a local company to record games, edit them and send it to TV3. Which meant they had to show it.
If there are first divison clubs doing this and not being shown on TV3 (which i doubt) then fair enough they have a case. But if clubs dont take it upon themselves to do it themselves, then no point complaining about it. things wont change - the first division will never be fully covered and nor will it be.
The league's concern should be that it's only getting 30 mins of exposure per week., which isnt even hitting a prime audience. TV3 would be better pre-recording on Mondays and airing the show earlier on a Tuesday night.
Jerry The Saint
11/04/2006, 9:39 AM
Nice comment from Genesis...
23. There should be a camera at EVERY premier game. Why was this not mentioned?
I would like to see the grounds full first and then the cameras will have to follow!
So I suppose we should be grateful to have eircom League Weekly because it's more than we deserve[EXCLAMATION MARK!]:rolleyes:
Poor Student
11/04/2006, 1:04 PM
There was so UCD v Bray. Not sure if it's our fault or theirs. Well, that's assuming you accept a club can be at fault for not sending footage to them. I can't recall if there was a camera there. Don't see why there shouldn't have been. 5 goals missed.
IMO the camera qualities are so poor tv just prefer to show a few decent clips & spent the rest of the time talking. Most highlight shows of other leagues focus on action.
monzo
12/04/2006, 11:28 AM
IMO the camera qualities are so poor tv just prefer to show a few decent clips & spent the rest of the time talking. Most highlight shows of other leagues focus on action.
They done that with the Drogheda match - showed some scrappy play in the middle of the park ffs
Sheridan
25/04/2006, 2:32 AM
How many Hail Marys do I incur for allowing the thought "You know, I actually wish Kinger was still on to break up the monotony with a malapropism or an injudicious tie" to infiltrate my mind during tonight's eL Weekly?
CollegeTillIDie
25/04/2006, 7:06 AM
Kinger is an entertainer :D
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