3 Questions

[Brucie]

"I have never seen or heard of anyone being assaulted or coming into contact with harm done to them by some other! To suggest that this is an unsafe place is akin to an Irelands eye article of the mid seventies, warning its readers of the dangers of urban dwelling"

There is none so blind as those who wont see is my answer. They way ye talk anyone would think it was Old Trafford situated in Bev Hills.Also a statement of fact is no attack pesronllay on anybody.Typical Limerick city defensive attitude.Why has Southhill,Rathbane world famous not for the view I'd say its for the Drugs,Car robbing, Horses and Caravans

[Lim till i die]

Typical Limerick city defensive attitude.Why has Southhill,Rathbane world famous not for the view I'd say its for the Drugs,Car robbing, Horses and Caravans

World Famous???? Ya must have missed the expose on last nights 60 minutes with Dan Rather and Connie Chung risking their lives standing outside the Galvone in flak-jackets, microphones defiantly held aloft with cameras capturing the drama. Shur over in France didn't they cut into their coverage of last weeks protests to show a live feed from Carew Park to assure all the concerned French citizens that all was quiet....

Your post my friend is frankly embarressing :rolleyes:

[Brucie]

"Your post my friend is frankly embarressing "

Spellings ...dey teach ye nuthing in school these days ?

[LFC in Exile]

no attack pesronllay on anybody.

What's that you're saying about spellings?


Typical Limerick city defensive attitude.Why has Southhill,Rathbane world famous not for the view I'd say its for the Drugs,Car robbing, Horses and Caravans

As for grammar....

Youseem to be big on the old sayings there Brucie. Ever hear about the glass houses one? :)

[joeSoap]

What's that you're saying about spellings?



As for grammar....

Youseem to be big on the old sayings there Brucie. Ever hear about the glass houses one? :)

:D :D

Just beat me to it LFCIE....

[jebus]

Glad to see that Gael brought up 'precious' Munster's problems with cars being broken into, its not just a LFC problem guys, in fact Munster fans have it a lot worse than we do. That said I suppose Thomond Park is still in and around Limerick City, and those defensive *******s will have your pubic hair shaved and ready to sell on their market stalls within 10 minutes of entering the city, eh Brucie?

Complete garbage has been spouted in this thread verging on Irish Independent levels of bigotry towards Limerick and it's people. Maybe I'm missing all the dead bodies lining the path into the ground, but last I time I checked those stats, the muder and assault levels for Limerick City were lower than that of Glaway, Cork, Dublin and Kilkenny (if you count that as a city) in the last two years.

As for debating the actual topic of whether or not we should look for alternatives to Hogan Park, I think LFC In Exiles arguments say it all, and its not often myself and In Exile see eye to eye on anything, so either Brucie has got my temper up so much that I'm not thinking straight, or this is a wonderful day in the history of this board indeed! :p

[Magicme]

get some friday feeling lads and relax.

[gaidin]

"I have never seen or heard of anyone being assaulted or coming into contact with harm done to them by some other! To suggest that this is an unsafe place is akin to an Irelands eye article of the mid seventies, warning its readers of the dangers of urban dwelling"

There is none so blind as those who wont see is my answer. They way ye talk anyone would think it was Old Trafford situated in Bev Hills.Also a statement of fact is no attack pesronllay on anybody.Typical Limerick city defensive attitude.Why has Southhill,Rathbane world famous not for the view I'd say its for the Drugs,Car robbing, Horses and Caravans

Have you ever been assaulted going into the ground?

Has anyone with you ever been assaulted going into the ground?

[sadloserkid]

To all those who can't enjoy the games because of their fear of being raped and pillaged at half-time I would respectfully suggest that they look into supporting the hockey team at Catholic Institute or perhaps the basketballers out in the UL Arena. Nobody is claiming that Rathbane is in the middle of some affluent haven of commerce but given that I've never been threatened up there (or even felt threatened) in any way I must be a whole lot tougher looking than I feel.

There were widepspread proclamations of doom predicting widespread violence and carnage when we played in Pike that came to nothing.

That said until/unless we get a lease I think we're wasting our time up there too.

[SouthCroydon]

on the issue of hogan park it isn't great but with a lease maybe then a clubhouse things could be turned round.as for the area i walked back to tesco's then towards the galvone after my only appearance last season and felt rather lonely not a soul in sight the odd mini riot would have made good spectator sport compared to the game.seriously if limerick are going to attract the support they hope for the city dwellers will have to come out in vast no's and these people will probably come from similiar type's of areas and i'm sure you'll all get on fine as football is a great leveller

[The openout kid]

here here, south Croydon. The core support for LFC comes from these areas anyway. If you go up on a Friday evening there is not that many of the Clohessy's after the match Brigade up there. Aslo these people from southhill Rathbane, moyross etc are basically the only people who actually support the local Limerick soccer scene. I know a load of lads who are from the better off locations in limerick and very few of them have been to a LFC match ever. To move it to a Green Area in Limerick would see that core support disappear and would probably spell the end of the club.

[4tothefloor]

I think everyone has lost their way on this thread. Nobody is getting assaulted on their way to the game, or raped for that matter. That's just a ridiculous defensive response from those who don't like the club/Hogan Park being criticised. All that was said was the entrance to Hogan Park looks terrible and intimidating. Bacause it does. Thus the ground looks situated in a sh!thole. If you grew up in a disadvantaged area, stop taking criticism of the Rathbane area as a personal insult, what are we, children?

We're talking about Hogan Park as a football ground and how appealing it is/isn't in the bigger picture of attracting new supporters. It isn't very appealing as it stands at the moment, you can dress it up as much as you like and ramble on about how long you have supported the club etc. I've been going to Rathbane since Billy Hamilton was manager back in the eighties, and I've never liked the place. And it hasn't changed one bit since then either if we're honest. The fact is, I know people who will go to a game if someone else brings their car, but they will not bring their own car. That says it all really.

Now we are suggesting that the club will need to address this car parking issue in the future. We're also suggesting that opening the far side would be far better for car owners, cos Roxboro wouldn't have to be an option then. If neither of these two options are taken, the suggestion is we would be better off out of the place cos its appeal is not going to improve otherwise. Obviously a greenfield site would come into the equation at that stage, as would looking at current grounds. Nobody is having a pop at Danny Drew either. He's doing his best and his hands are tied at the moment.

These are real problems lads in the real world, cars are being broken into whether ye like it or not. It's not fantasy. But do ease up on the fantasy attacks at half time and vampires etc, cos that IS crap....;)

[Westside]

These are real problems lads in the real world, cars are being broken into whether ye like it or not. It's not fantasy. But do ease up on the fantasy attacks at half time and vampires etc, cos that IS crap....;)Fair enough but I think people are using the area (ie. Rathbane/Hogan Park)to suggest that only there is there vandilism going on. Its happening all over the city, even in the so called better / quieter areas of the city, its the society we live in today, I bought a season pass last season and again this season, and I have parked my car in this so called "Beirut zone" all last season and again this season, without any trouble, I not going to say whats going to happen in the future, but vandilism and theft is rife in the city, maybe if a park and ride facility was operated by DD in areas of the city where people feel safer leaving their car for a few hours, say the Crescent Shopping Centre in Dooradoyle and The Jetland on the Ennis Rd., but for it to work it would mean getting guranteed no.'s to fill buses, he tried several bus routes last season why not try this option, might be worth looking into. At least then we would find out how many are serious about going to the games but for the parking conditions.

[osarusan]

I think everyone has lost their way on this thread. Nobody is getting assaulted on their way to the game, or raped for that matter. That's just a ridiculous defensive response from those who don't like the club/Hogan Park being criticised. All that was said was the entrance to Hogan Park looks terrible and intimidating. Bacause it does. Thus the ground looks situated in a sh!thole. If you grew up in a disadvantaged area, stop taking criticism of the Rathbane area as a personal insult, what are we, children?

We're talking about Hogan Park as a football ground and how appealing it is/isn't in the bigger picture of attracting new supporters. It isn't very appealing as it stands at the moment, you can dress it up as much as you like and ramble on about how long you have supported the club etc. I've been going to Rathbane since Billy Hamilton was manager back in the eighties, and I've never liked the place. And it hasn't changed one bit since then either if we're honest. The fact is, I know people who will go to a game if someone else brings their car, but they will not bring their own car. That says it all really.

Now we are suggesting that the club will need to address this car parking issue in the future. We're also suggesting that opening the far side would be far better for car owners, cos Roxboro wouldn't have to be an option then. If neither of these two options are taken, the suggestion is we would be better off out of the place cos its appeal is not going to improve otherwise. Obviously a greenfield site would come into the equation at that stage, as would looking at current grounds. Nobody is having a pop at Danny Drew either. He's doing his best and his hands are tied at the moment.

These are real problems lads in the real world, cars are being broken into whether ye like it or not. It's not fantasy. But do ease up on the fantasy attacks at half time and vampires etc, cos that IS crap....;)
well put.

I was one of those who criticised the state of the ground, and some of the people around it, in an earlier post. Part of my post was quoted as an example of "going too far".

I have never lived in Limerick, but I know the city fairly well, as my dad has worked there for 20 years.

I dont know the crime rates for the city, or any other city.

What I do know is that I have been to games where the young kids outside the wall (and before the wall, when there was that fence) were throwing rocks over the other side. These rocks occasionally landed on the roof of the stand, and I remember one damaging a parked car inside the ground.
I have been to games where the ball went over the wall and was nicked by the same people. (at least, they were kids too)
I have always been embarassed by one fan, who used to stand right behind the opponents dugout and hurl a constant stream of truly foul abuse at the opposing manager and players. (A big fat bloke with a red face, a truly ignorant moron he was).
I have been at a game where my brother once tried to stop a "fan" from getting in free over the wall, and was threatened by that guy and his friends for the rest of the game.

I am not saying that Rathbane is like Beiruit, but I am saying that I can understand why opposing fans dont have fond memories of the place (regardless of the score), and I can understand why fans who are curious about the local Eircom League football team might visit once and decide it wasnt for them.

How to fix it I dont know, whether staying there or moving, both of which are problematic, but I do think it needs to be fixed.

[lim abroad]

I have always been embarassed by one fan, who used to stand right behind the opponents dugout and hurl a constant stream of truly foul abuse at the opposing manager and players. (A big fat bloke with a red face, a truly ignorant moron he was).
ha ha,we all know who that is:D

[the only 1]

dats r damien

[Westside]

well put.

I I have always been embarassed by one fan, who used to stand right behind the opponents dugout and hurl a constant stream of truly foul abuse at the opposing manager and players. (A big fat bloke with a red face, a truly ignorant moron he was).Ah our Chairman has calmed down now, since those days at Pike, I actually enjoyed the banter he had with opposing sides especially the abuse he gave Pat Dolan in a league cup match up there a few years ago, should be funny if he actually comes to to Limk if the lease gets sorted, it was all in good spirit, he was only doing his 12th man thing, a man for the cause:D :D :D

[LFC in Exile]

"a place where you and your car are very likey to get done at any time"

"home fans feel in physical danger in and around the ground"

"wont bring children and park a car in that area of town,and i cant really blame them"

"she didnt feel safe"

4tothefloor - I appreciate the more reasonable tone of the post. I agree with a lot of what you say about the look of the ground and its immediate environs. However, I do think the ground is well located in terms of access from city and location on the ring road. If the ground was developed along the lines suggested by the club and if the football was appealing (i know they are big ifs) then supporters would go to Rathbane. Rathbane has always had good crowds when the club has been performing well.

This is a point that can be debated - you called the response a ridiculous defesive response. This revisionism is a bit disingenous. There are a sample of quotes from earlier in teh thread above. This has nothing to do with the club or DD - but I felt it was unfair to give the impression - which is what those posts were doing that there was threat to people going to matches. I have never experienced that. Also, I do not come from the area - I am from a completely different side of the city - so this isn't local defensiveness either. If we want to keep the discussion about the prospects for the ground etc after the lease is signed lets leave out hyperbole like that quoted at the start of this post.

And also, if people are anti-Rathbane - what do they suggest as an option?

[sadloserkid]

I have always been embarassed by one fan, who used to stand right behind the opponents dugout and hurl a constant stream of truly foul abuse at the opposing manager and players. (A big fat bloke with a red face, a truly ignorant moron he was).

I suppose Podge & Rodge offends you greatly too does it? :rolleyes:

[LFC in Exile]

I suppose Podge & Rodge offends you greatly too does it? :rolleyes:

I have never seen Podge and Rodge at a Limerick match. Bloody fair weather supporters. :)

[sadloserkid]

I have never seen Podge and Rodge at a Limerick match. Bloody fair weather supporters. :)

I always presumed that Ballydung Manor was in Connacht actually... :confused:

[declan hide]

Ah our Chairman has calmed down now, since those days at Pike, I actually enjoyed the banter he had with opposing sides especially the abuse he gave Pat Dolan in a league cup match up there a few years ago, should be funny if he actually comes to to Limk if the lease gets sorted, it was all in good spirit, he was only doing his 12th man thing, a man for the cause:

pity he thinks hes right the whole time:rolleyes:

[LFC in Exile]

I always presumed that Ballydung Manor was in Connacht actually... :confused:

What is this Ballydung Manor of which you speak. Don't they braodcast live from Rathbane? :p

[CraftyToePoke]

"a place where you and your car are very likey to get done at any time"

"home fans feel in physical danger in and around the ground"

"wont bring children and park a car in that area of town,and i cant really blame them"

"she didnt feel safe"

4tothefloor - I appreciate the more reasonable tone of the post. I agree with a lot of what you say about the look of the ground and its immediate environs. However, I do think the ground is well located in terms of access from city and location on the ring road. If the ground was developed along the lines suggested by the club and if the football was appealing (i know they are big ifs) then supporters would go to Rathbane. Rathbane has always had good crowds when the club has been performing well.

This is a point that can be debated - you called the response a ridiculous defesive response. This revisionism is a bit disingenous. There are a sample of quotes from earlier in teh thread above. This has nothing to do with the club or DD - but I felt it was unfair to give the impression - which is what those posts were doing that there was threat to people going to matches. I have never experienced that. Also, I do not come from the area - I am from a completely different side of the city - so this isn't local defensiveness either. If we want to keep the discussion about the prospects for the ground etc after the lease is signed lets leave out hyperbole like that quoted at the start of this post.

And also, if people are anti-Rathbane - what do they suggest as an option?

you have chosen to quote an earlier post of mine twice here in relation to percieved neighbourhood bashing that went on in the thread, both the pieces you quote were based on facts, i know for a fact that several of my friends wont risk their cars (rightly or wrongly) under the present arrangements and set up.the club will,therefore, have to do without their money for now, and how many more like them? surely thats relevant in relation to the club prospering in the longer term.

i know for a fact my girlfriend didnt feel safe going into the ground because she told me so. u calling my missus a liar?:)

and yet you chose to convienently ignore that my fathers car was broken into and vandalised, also a fact.

and importantly, your editing ignored my being in favour of a developed H.P. but a year into the five year plan to challenge shelbourne etc;) and the basics of the lease still up in the air, well..........

finally, and probably most importantly, you missed out on the importance i placed upon of not isolating/losing the core support of the club. which as it has been well documented since, are the lifeblood of the club most of whom are from the sorrounding areas of H.P.

seems to me your selective editing process has totally mis-represented what i originally said.

[LFC in Exile]

seems to me your selective editing process has totally mis-represented what i originally said.

I don't accept that. I appreciate that everything you said is based on real events - but my issue is on generalising from the specific. We hear about cars being broken into - nobody has said that has not happened. the issue is whether it is more prevalent at Limerick FC matches than other matches i.e. is it a real problem or a perceived problem. Perhaps your friends not risking their cars is due to over-exaggeration of teh risk to cars. Would your friends bring their cars to Munster matches? If one of them was broken into would all of them then not bring their cars to Munster matches? It is common for people to over compensate when they hear of one incident that affects them directly.

Your missus may have felt unsafe - I and many others (including some on here, my missus and other females I know that have been at matches) have not felt at all unsafe and never had any issue. So it is a fair enough comment to make about someone you know not feeling safe at the ground but I think we have to say that it is not the general feeling.

Also, I am a bit confused. Do you think the club should stay at HP given the problems you suggest? If not (and I am sensing from your posts that you think not but I may be wrong) why are you slagging them off for not finalising the lease. This is coming across from a few posters - simultaneously calling teh ground a kip and in also saying the club should be getting the lease sorted? Contradiction? :ball:

[CraftyToePoke]

I don't accept that. I appreciate that everything you said is based on real events - but my issue is on generalising from the specific. We hear about cars being broken into - nobody has said that has not happened. the issue is whether it is more prevalent at Limerick FC matches than other matches i.e. is it a real problem or a perceived problem. Perhaps your friends not risking their cars is due to over-exaggeration of teh risk to cars. Would your friends bring their cars to Munster matches? If one of them was broken into would all of them then not bring their cars to Munster matches? It is common for people to over compensate when they hear of one incident that affects them directly.

Your missus may have felt unsafe - I and many others (including some on here, my missus and other females I know that have been at matches) have not felt at all unsafe and never had any issue. So it is a fair enough comment to make about someone you know not feeling safe at the ground but I think we have to say that it is not the general feeling.

Also, I am a bit confused. Do you think the club should stay at HP given the problems you suggest? If not (and I am sensing from your posts that you think not but I may be wrong) why are you slagging them off for not finalising the lease. This is coming across from a few posters - simultaneously calling teh ground a kip and in also saying the club should be getting the lease sorted? Contradiction? :ball:

i personally believe statistically, that the problem may be being overstated, but nothing travels like bad news, comparing us to munster, or the gaa for that matter, is simply not comparing like for like in my opinion because both those codes have a long established fanbase large in number in comparison with ours. we are trying to emerge from the ashes of mismanagenent and 20 years in the doldrums.that in my opinion is a big and key difference here, we cannot afford this perception to be attached to the club while endeavouring to widen the support base.

this is not a sleight on the area or the people of it, and was never intended as such, i just believe it to be a hinderance we could do without wheather it be a fair or unfair one, and a neighbouring thread is currently carrying more bad news in relation to parking in the area.

i wasnt slagging the club off for not signing the lease, i was conveying a sense of frustration in relation to the ongoing issue of a permanent home for senior soccer in limerick, this strems from ambitious plans a year ago for a county entrance etc (which i believe would be a fine solution) to where we still are.

could it be percieved form the outside looking in for a poential fan as 'nothing but the same old story at LFC' unfortunately, i think it could. if it gets signed and development begins, allied to a winning team playing decent football then its smiles all round, none broader than mine:)

[LFC in Exile]

could it be percieved form the outside looking in for a poential fan as 'nothing but the same old story at LFC' unfortunately, i think it could. if it gets signed and development begins, allied to a winning team playing decent football then its smiles all round, none broader than mine:)

Thats very true.

I wasn't comparing us to Munster (we're a fair bit off that yet) - what I meant was that there are also cars broken into at Munster games but nobody seems to suggest it as a problem. And we don't know if there are a greater proportion of cars affected at Limerick matches or at Munster matches.

I agree perception is really important here. And that is why I got on this hobby horse because I wanted to challenge the perception that a lot of cars are damaged or there is a lot of fear at Limerick matches. :ball:

[osarusan]

I suppose Podge & Rodge offends you greatly too does it? :rolleyes:
no, it is actually quite funny.

but he is not. Maybe you are a mate of his but I, who dont know him from Adam (though other people here seem to know), think he is not a good advertisment for Limerick supporters.

I tried to point out a couple of reasons why fans might not think Rathbane was not the most glamourous of football venues in the world, and I think that if a visitor saw any of the things I mentioned above, they might come to the same conclusion.

THe rolling eyes tells me that you disagree with me in some way, so please, in what way am I wrong?

[jebus]

THe rolling eyes tells me that you disagree with me in some way, so please, in what way am I wrong?

In thinking that your opinions should be regarded as facts maybe? ;)

[sniffa]

Maybe we're lucky but we were in Limerick last night and had no problems. Parked the car in the supermarket carpark, popped into Supermacs for a nosebag and then walked down to the ground.
Just outside the ground we passed 3 to 4 lads pulling along some very young Pitbulls. Next year it will be the other way round;) .
We played you's in the last game of the season last year. We got to Rathbane around 6 and took the opportunity to visit the local hostelry,The Steering Wheel. Nice couple of pints, nice chat about the club and local soccer with the locals and then on to the game. It looked a little rough but we never felt uneasy at any time.
Reading some of the posts here makes it seem like a completely different place. We were however, wary at all times but never threatened.

[sadloserkid]

THe rolling eyes tells me that you disagree with me in some way, so please, in what way am I wrong?

Well for starters there's the fact that you heap personal abuse onto somebody that you chastise for making personal abuse of others. Stones and greenhouses and all that.

Most of all though in my opinion football is a passionate game and loud fans who add a bit of banter are to be hailed and not slammed. If you'd prefer a silent ground fair enough, I don't want that personally.

[osarusan]

Regarding your first point, I accept that it is a fair point. Although my original point was that in doing this to oppsing teams, in view and earshot of opposing fans (and home fans) may not portray the home crowd very favourably. But my follow up was unnecessary.

Regarding your second point, I think that you have twisted my point. I am not against banter at games, nor do I want a silent ground, as you have implied I am suggesting.

In my opinion the kind of stuff I have heard from him is not banter. My idea of banter is harmless fun, which that is not, I think.

I dont think he is the kind of fan that deserves to be "hailed" by other fans.

Perhaps you and I have different ideas on how we expect fans to behave, which is fair enough.

Anyway, I dont want this to degenerate into a slagging match, I do want Limerick to prosper, and by the opinions on this thread, there are very diferent opinions on how that is best achieved.

[osarusan]

Well for starters there's the fact that you heap personal abuse onto somebody that you chastise for making personal abuse of others. Stones and greenhouses and all that.

Most of all though in my opinion football is a passionate game and loud fans who add a bit of banter are to be hailed and not slammed. If you'd prefer a silent ground fair enough, I don't want that personally.
Regarding your first point, I accept that it is a fair point. Although my original point was that in doing this to oppsing teams, in view and earshot of opposing fans (and home fans) may not portray the home crowd very favourably. But my follow up was unnecessary.

Regarding your second point, I think that you have twisted my point. I am not against banter at games, nor do I want a silent ground, as you have implied I am suggesting.

In my opinion the kind of stuff I have heard from him is not banter. My idea of banter is harmless fun, which that is not, I think.

I dont think he is the kind of fan that deserves to be "hailed" by other fans.

Perhaps you and I have different ideas on how we expect fans to behave, which is fair enough.

Anyway, I dont want this to degenerate into a slagging match, I do want Limerick to prosper, and by the opinions on this thread, there are very diferent opinions on how that is best achieved

[sadloserkid]

Clearly you and I have very different ideas of how things should be. I have no intention of getting into a slagging match either though.

I still can't personally think of any example of when anything has been said to opposition players and management that could be construed as over the top. Obviously this is my opinion and it would appear apparent that I have a higher tolerance for this kind of thing than you. Fair enough.

Ironically though a great many oppostion managers and players get on famously well with the person in question. By and large they don't read too much into any of what has been said and my advice to you would be to follow suit.

Again, you may not agree with me but I would prefer our home to be known for an intense, hostile vibe than a corinithian one.

[gael353]

Just outside the ground we passed 3 to 4 lads pulling along some very young Pitbulls. .

Lads i appeal to all of you to show up for the game againts Finn Harps. Bring friends and family, its now more then ever that this/your club needs you. So come you blues.

[osarusan]

QUOTE FROM SADLOSERKID = Ironically though a great many oppostion managers and players get on famously well with the person in question.

Didnt know that, good to hear.

Just spoke to a friend on the phone and he told me the place has been cleaned up a lot recently. Cement around the ground, crush barriers, ticket booths, vendors selling food and drinks. He even said that the man in question has toned it down a bit.

So that negates much of what I was trying to say on this thread!!!

But good to hear that the place is starting to look better.

[osarusan]

Also, how do I highlight ONLY PART of another post if I want to include it in my post??

[LFC in Exile]

Also, how do I highlight ONLY PART of another post if I want to include it in my post??

What i do is click on quote at the end of the message and then delete the part of the quote that you don't want. :ball:

[osarusan]

[QUOTE=LFC in Exile]What i do is click on quote at the end of the message


like this?

[osarusan]

[QUOTE=LFC in Exile]What i do is click on quote at the end of the message


like this?


like this?

[osarusan]

like this?[/QUOTE]


ok

[LFC in Exile]

like this?


ok

You have to keep the square brackets and 'QUOTE=osarusan' and the square brackets and '/QUOTE' at the end. That shows where the quote starts and where the quote ends. You can delete anything within these. In fact you could even delete or insert stuff to make a quote selective or mean the exact opposite of what was intended. Though nobody on here really does that. :)

[osarusan]

you are the greatest.)


i get it.