Karlos
06/04/2006, 4:40 PM
2nd I would have to take you up on saying Wenger is one of the greatest managers ever What exactly do you mean by that. How good do you have to be to be one of the greatest managers ever. In the top 10 ever, or to 20 of club managers or what. I can name 10 better than him.
Ferguson
Capello (despited last nights match)
Lippi
Clough
Paisley
Stein
Busby
Shankly
Michels
Sachi.
Better in what way, won more trophies? Won a European Cup? Just wondering Neill what you use to judge the greatness of a manager. It appears from that list at least that you have to have won a European Cup to be considered great.
I personally find it difficult to say one manager is better than another becuase there is so many outside things affecting it such as players, situations, clubs - i'd struggle to pick the best manager from that list.
Until everyone is playing with the exact same resources how can anyone be sure. You appear to me to be looking at the winners list to describe greatness - that's just not how I would judge the greatness of a manager.
Some of the Managers I have the most respect for and truely believe are some of the greatest managers ever haven't won anything or little of great significance - Dario Gradi & Andy Roxburgh being two who I believe are as tactically astute & knowledgeable about the game as anyone in that list. I would also consider the likes of Herbert Chapman & Bill Nicolson as influential as any of the UK based Managers on that list for how they revolutionised the game during their time.
For me being a great manager encompasses more than just winning trophies - it's also about development of players, management of off field activities, transforming a club, being an innovater etc...
I consider all of the above you mentioned great managers but to say they are all better than Wenger without certainty is questionable unless of course we have a hard & fast rule that we must base greatness on European Cup success.
Ferguson
Capello (despited last nights match)
Lippi
Clough
Paisley
Stein
Busby
Shankly
Michels
Sachi.
Better in what way, won more trophies? Won a European Cup? Just wondering Neill what you use to judge the greatness of a manager. It appears from that list at least that you have to have won a European Cup to be considered great.
I personally find it difficult to say one manager is better than another becuase there is so many outside things affecting it such as players, situations, clubs - i'd struggle to pick the best manager from that list.
Until everyone is playing with the exact same resources how can anyone be sure. You appear to me to be looking at the winners list to describe greatness - that's just not how I would judge the greatness of a manager.
Some of the Managers I have the most respect for and truely believe are some of the greatest managers ever haven't won anything or little of great significance - Dario Gradi & Andy Roxburgh being two who I believe are as tactically astute & knowledgeable about the game as anyone in that list. I would also consider the likes of Herbert Chapman & Bill Nicolson as influential as any of the UK based Managers on that list for how they revolutionised the game during their time.
For me being a great manager encompasses more than just winning trophies - it's also about development of players, management of off field activities, transforming a club, being an innovater etc...
I consider all of the above you mentioned great managers but to say they are all better than Wenger without certainty is questionable unless of course we have a hard & fast rule that we must base greatness on European Cup success.