Possible effects on Setanta Cup from dublin riots?

[padjoe]

what effect (if any) will the love ulster riots in dublin have on the setanta cup?

[el punter]

I'd expect some idiots may try to cause a fuss when Linfield come to Dublin but I'd be stunned if the gards got caught on the hop with that.

[Dodge]

padjoe, give your own opnion if you're going start a thread like this

[David]

I really do not see it having any effect.

[daniel]

Dodge he asked for other peoples opinions, maybe he doesnt know what to expect, therefore he wont have an opinion on the matter

[Peadar]

I didn't see any Derry City FC, Cork City FC, Drogheda United FC or Shelbourne FC shirts on rioters. Didn't hear that any of these clubs had condoned the violence. Can't see what any of this has to do with the Setanta Sports Cup.

If the boys we met in Portadown last week are anything to go by, the competition will continue to be a massive success where good will between supporters is concerned.

[Raheny Red]

There would have been ugly scenes in Tolka on Saturday if Linfield were due to play (KO would have been about 3ish, therefore it would have been at the height of the rioting).Hundreds of these rioters would have made the short trip to Tolka for this. If this did happen it would have put the competition in serious doubt for future years. However, when they (Linfield) do come to Tolka there will be some mindless scum attending the came, although not alot, but there will be an element! :mad:

[Dodge]

Dodge he asked for other peoples opinions, maybe he doesnt know what to expect, therefore he wont have an opinion on the matter
Or he could be posting it up to stir ****e. He obviously thinks there'll be some reaction as he wouldn't have posted it otherwise.

[dcfcsteve]

when they (Linfield) do come to Tolka there will be some mindless scum attending the came, although not alot, but there will be an element! :mad:

Sure - you can hardly ask Ollie not to turn up for a big game like this......?

:D

[Vitruvian Man]

I was listening to Newstalk this morning and they said they were going to have an article exploring how football hooligans were responsible for the Dublin riot. I never got to hear the piece because I got into work but I was interested because well known members of Irish footballs only two Snappy Dresser Clubs were spotted on TV having a love-in with each other and giving the police the some hassle from the safety of Frazers doorway.

[pete]

Saturday was a disaster. I think the Garda had one hand tied behind their backs as there was political pressure to keep policing low key in the hope that would mean the day would be low key. Some hope. Although one aspect of the whole thing is actually encouraging. The turnout for the protest was actually pitiful. I would estimate about 300 active participants. That is nothing. On a good day they would be washed off the streets in 10 minutes and I predict if it happens again they will be washed off the streets.

There is a thread in Current Affairs on the riots. Please stay on topic.

I don't see it having any affect whatsoever.

[BohDiddley]

I was listening to Newstalk this morning and they said they were going to have an article exploring how football hooligans were responsible
They would (http://au.encarta.msn.com/media_121625798_761555450_-1_1/Pavlov's_Dog.html)

[Dodge]

LOL at that Ultras forum bit.

[Roverstillidie]

what do you mean 'standard denial'?

an open fans forum with a current affairs section (like this btw) where some posters predicted that there would be trouble and the times spin this as ultras organising it?

why the hell should our fans be singled out here?

what you are saying is some (barred) bozos rioted so that makes them rovers fans? :confused:

utter garbage from a paper that should know better

[pete]

Very disappointed with the Irish Times to be stooping to low standards of the tabloids. The articles is hyping the events mentioned which bad in itself but quoting website forums is a new low for the IT. I'll be sending them an email complaining later.

:(

[NY Hoop]

Disagree. I literally wouldn't recognaise any Rovers hooligans, I try to keep away from them. I could pick out two known Bohs scumbags though and from talking to other EL fans they claim that they were able to pick out several known Rovers thugs. There seems to be a pretty strong link between the Ultras and this riot.

The reason I disagree with you is that perhaps for once and for all the police will now be inspired to weed out this scum and clean up football in this country. As unpleasant as we might find it to have such a focus on irish football hooligans, albeit Rovers hooligans, this problem has existed for years. Perhaps their involvement last Saturday will prove to be their stupidest move in a long time.I certainly hope so.

This is the stupidest post I've read in a while. Firstly you say that you wouldnt recognise any Rovers "hooligans" then you say that they were "involved". Get a dictionary and find out what PROOF means. I have had a good look through all the photos published from saturday and I dont recognise any Rovers FANS there.

How is there a strong link between the Ultras and the riot ffs? Just because the IT say so. In fairness to the IT they do say that the site "was visited by a number of people who posted inflammatory anti unionist comments". Anybody can register on the forum. Lally is a lazy journo and its an easy way out cos Rovers have the same colours as celtic.

To connect any of our fans to the scum who looted and beat up foreigners on saturday is an absolute thundering disgrace but I suppose can only be expected from a club that condones "casuals":rolleyes:

KOH

[The Sheliban]

Apparently the site of a bit of red, white and blue cloth in Parnell Square is morally offensive, but not in Tolka or Turners Cross.
Thank God for football.

[Roverstillidie]

There seems to be a pretty strong link between the Ultras and this riot.



be very, very careful here. legal action may follow this article. qualify that or hit the edit button.

what possible link is there between a rovers fan club and a RIRA organised riot? you admit yourself there were bozos in the thick of it, why shouldnt the corresponding thread on the bohs forum be quoted in the paper? or pats? or cork? or foot.ie? just because a thread about the planned march was correct does not mean the moderators of the site agree with the posters, let alone organise trouble.

the ability of members of the bohemian football and cricket club to blame any and evey ill in their life on rovers fans is astonishing at the best of times, but this is madness. get real

[BohDiddley]

Very disappointed with the Irish Times to be stooping to low standards of the tabloids. The articles is hyping the events mentioned which bad in itself but quoting website forums is a new low for the IT. I'll be sending them an email complaining later.:(
Why should a newspaper not quote online forums? Are you suggesting that it should self-censor on this, and ignore the fact that these postings existed, and that if it doesn't it is somehow tabloid-like?
The messages, and their blood-curdling import, are the responsibility of the moderators of the message board, not of the newspaper that reports them. Many (disclosure: including me) have been banned for a lot less!

[Roverstillidie]

BD, why specifically pick the rovers one? our fans were no more or less involved than any other club?

[Bald Student]

Why should a newspaper not quote online forums? Are you suggesting that it should self-censor on this, and ignore the fact that these postings existed, and that if it doesn't it is somehow tabloid-like?Because online forums carry as much weight as a conversation in a pub. Less if anything because the contributions are annonomus.

[pete]

There seems to be a pretty strong link between the Ultras and this riot
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I will these comment subject to proof. Back this up or remove that comment yourself.

As posted by Bald Student anonymous forum postings does not constitute news.

[paudie]

There would have been ugly scenes in Tolka on Saturday if Linfield were due to play (KO would have been about 3ish, therefore it would have been at the height of the rioting).Hundreds of these rioters would have made the short trip to Tolka for this. If this did happen it would have put the competition in serious doubt for future years. However, when they (Linfield) do come to Tolka there will be some mindless scum attending the came, although not alot, but there will be an element! :mad:

Surely there was a great opportunity for these thugs to cause major trouble at the Linfield/Shels cup final last year.

I'm aware there was some trouble but it seems to have been very minor.

There's no reason to link the rioting on Saturday to EL or IL football

[Mental Man]

I think its an absolute bloody disgrace that somebody even had the brains to put this up on as a thread, if you look carefully at the ilk that were causing the trouble you will see that they were wearing SellThick jerseys and ireland jerseys, the tiocfaidh ar la knobheads wereout in force that day, absolute disgrace to be even supporting a team that has links to a fascist republican organisation that murders innocent people and deals in drugs, Fact
I think its very rich for somebody to come on and blame everything on rovers fans,even if he is constapated he blames rovers,but he must have cured his constapation today cos there is some s**t coming from him now, have witnessed trouble at bohs matches now more than rovers games.
Libel action is the only way to stop dopes like these putting up slanderous posts like what we have seen and lets get onlads and enjoy the footie when it starts.

[Roverstillidie]

Originally Posted by BohsFan
There seems to be a pretty strong link between the Ultras and this riot.

[WeAreRovers]

If you want to see libelous posts go and check out the ultras forums, anything goes, literally anything, with one exception being criticism of Rovers or the thuggish element among their fans.

Absolute rubbish. Your very own gypoweb actually names Bohs fans who were allegedly involved on Saturday - now that's libellous.

Get off your high horse, it's beyond pathetic. :mad:

KOH

[BohDiddley]

Because online forums carry as much weight as a conversation in a pub. Less if anything because the contributions are annonomus.
I think most readers of the article are big enough to draw their own conclusions concerning the limitations on the credibility of anonymous forums.
The facts are that the comments were posted, that they were tolerated by the ultras board, and that anyone reading them could and should have foreseen trouble.
Anonymous or not, at a time when every national newspaper is leading with the story, that's news.
I'm surprised at the neo-authoritarian streak running through this thread, with shakily-grounded legal threats and simple hostility to news we don't want to hear.
I said before that football hooliganism in Ireland is exagerrated by media who seem to wish it into what ridiculous existence it has, and I still believe that. But if there is clear, factual evidence, as in these postings, then the media is not doing its job if it ignores it.
As for the alleged singling out of the ultras site, I don't have the answer to that. Did other MBs have material like this? I didn't see any on Gypsies-Web. Is it not fair comment to note that anyone regularly reading SRFC posts here will see that some (certainly not all) of their supporters enjoy drawing a sectarian, greener-than-thou distinction between themselves and fans of at least one other club? Farcical, yes, but last Saturday showed how that sort of nonsense still manifests itself in the minds of some 21st century pinheads.
I agree with the previous poster who wants us to just get on with the football. But to do that, we have to recognise a problem where it exists.

[monkey magic]

bohsfan, you really need to get a grip of yourself here, taking posts from a forum and using them to argue that "There seems to be a pretty strong link between the Ultras and this riot" is ridiculous in the least. i watched the images from the riots very carefully over the past few days and all i saw were thugs wearing sellthick jersies, yet no one is claiming there is any link between sellthick and the riots. posts on a forum prove absolutely nothing, and its very dissapointing to see the times stooping to that level:mad:

[pete]

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