"Cool" bands that actually suck

[ken foree]

Yeah do like the ISB. Think they had a new album out lately.

This is the mag.

http://www.mygnr.com/news/1999/990601_1.htm

http://www.stevehackett.com/reviews/classicrock.html

You can get in in Easons.:)

Re your comments, the older rock bands had a greater musical background I feel from a wider variety of musical styles. John Lord of Purple used to play with a jazz oufit called the Artwoods while Blackmore played with a variety of different pop and rock outfits too.
Ditto Plant, Page, Gallagher and so on. Plant has a good folk pedigree. Remember his song Gallows Pole from a few years ago with Page?? Very folkie.

Meant that their music could include and go off into folk, blues, soul, rhythm and blues and so on.

chrs again the hamishand thanks for the links. yea the ISB just reformed and were touring i believe! did you like donovan at all? his 'hurdy gurdy man' is a hugely underrated record i'd wager, some very good stuff on that and i think page lends guitar to the title track if i'm not mistaken. folk plays a huge role in most music, lizzy always sound like an electric folk band to me. these boys' backgrounds, it's true, the english/irish guitar gods of yore were well versed in skiffle and what was then called r&b. but a lot of folk too as you can clearly hear from e.g. zep's softer songs - anyone thinking the zep are overrated (i'll give you bombastic and over the top at times, sure) might want to listen to physical graffiti. yea the one with kashmir!

to be more on topic again here, i guess i never understood the metallica phenomenon - seems there were plenty better metal bands (slayer for one?) although master of puppets is okay

[hamish]

chrs again the hamishand thanks for the links. yea the ISB just reformed and were touring i believe! did you like donovan at all? his 'hurdy gurdy man' is a hugely underrated record i'd wager, some very good stuff on that and i think page lends guitar to the title track if i'm not mistaken. folk plays a huge role in most music, lizzy always sound like an electric folk band to me. these boys' backgrounds, it's true, the english/irish guitar gods of yore were well versed in skiffle and what was then called r&b. but a lot of folk too as you can clearly hear from e.g. zep's softer songs - anyone thinking the zep are overrated (i'll give you bombastic and over the top at times, sure) might want to listen to physical graffiti. yea the one with kashmir!

to be more on topic again here, i guess i never understood the metallica phenomenon - seems there were plenty better metal bands (slayer for one?) although master of puppets is okay

Yep, remember when he had all those folk hits in the 60s and have most of them. Used to get an awful slagging - poor man's Dylan etc. Even Dylan had the odd cut at him.

That's right, too, about skiffle - I actually remember when Lonnie Donegan used to be on RTE radio all the time. I'm that ancient.LOL:o :D
Did a great version of Leadbelly's "Rock Island Line". Trying to get his late 70s album which had an incendiary Rory Gallagher contribution. Heard it years ago on a Pat Kenny radio programme but it seems to deleted from everywhere - even eBay.:(

I like some of Metallica's stuff - like that song that has the line "Oh please God, save (or help) me". Can never remember the name of it but it's on Scuzz/The Amp/Kerrang/Vh1 a fair bit. . "The one"???? Enter Sandman and Nothing else matters are ok but Hetfield's voice is fcuked nowadays and has lost that harshness that I kinda liked.

Gerry Rafferty is very tasty too - a bit MOR/AOR but some great tunes.

God, KF, I could go on forever about all those oldies.

[Anto McC]

Red hot chilli peppers
The Stone Roses

[Dublin12]

the smiths
echo and the bunnymen
the happy mondays
blur
the gorillaz
the doors
the sex pistols
the libertines
arcade fire
nirvana
metallica

:eek: I like all these bands apart from The Libertines and Metallica,although Enter Sandman sometimes does it for me.What sort of stuff are you into then??

[jorge]

Kaiser Chiefs
Green Day
Foo Fighters

PANTS.

[Snoop Drog]

but a lot of folk too as you can clearly hear from e.g. zep's softer songs - anyone thinking the zep are overrated (i'll give you bombastic and over the top at times, sure) might want to listen to physical graffiti. yea the one with kashmir!


jeez lads, don't dis led Zep. There are few bands that give me that "hair standing on the back of the neck" feel and LZ are one of them. Holy Sh1t, live they were something else- I have a couple of old bootlegs and a dodgy live dvd and the sound they could produce live was soemthing else. The true Godfathers of Rock.

Metallica's first four albums, imo, are classics. After that they are just "paint by numbers" drivel- ie Going through the motions.

klein 4- Your list sounds like my cd collection. :D "One man's poison..."

And I reckon The Streets are cool if only because they are doing something (slightly) original. But that "Dry your eyes mate" song really grates:mad:

[M@ttitude]

Snow Patrol, Oasis
Oasis were the coolest band with the coolest lead singer of the nineties.

Snow Patrol's Final straw was a class, class album!

[klein4]

:eek: I like all these bands apart from The Libertines and Metallica,although Enter Sandman sometimes does it for me.What sort of stuff are you into then??
em I would possibly like some(maybe one or two) songs from all the above but think they are all a bit overrated...isnt that the point of the thread?
(and fair play if you do like all of them - music is a personal thing)

[Lionel Ritchie]

Oasis were the coolest band with the coolest lead singer of the nineties.:confused:

No need to duck M@ttitude -the point flew quite a way over the auld sconce.;)

[Risteard]

Beatles, Oasis & Snow Patrol?
Who considers them cool? Ya might aswell say The Spice Girls.
Oasis' current lack of street cred is the best thing that could happen to them.
I was cool once, then they changed what cool was. No i'm not cool, and whats cool seems weird and scary.

The Frames are considered cool in this indigneous Whelans popularity merry-go-round aren't they? They get my vote.

[tiktok]

Astral Weeks is an a perfect example of a cool album that sucks.
Desperate heap of Sh!te, regardless of what the 'industry types' tell me.

'Cool' bands that really suck.

1. Green day
2. Kaiser Chiefs
3. Oasis

[dcfc_1928]

It has to be Pete Doherty - The Libertines and Babyshambles are/were both sh*te!

[Pauro 76]

I reckon the Killers are very overrated. As for a frontman called Brandon Flowers who wears white suits on stage.... rock n roll eh..

[rebs23]

This could go on forever. How about all Rock bands around now and all Rock/Indie/so called Alternative Rock!!!. it's all been done before but much better. I mean for ****sake Babyshambles, kaizer Chiefs,Oasis, Snow Patrol, Franz Ferdinand. Imitators and crap ones at that.

You'd be better off going to see one of those tribute bands in your local pub. At least that way you'd get to hear a reasonable rendition of the original songs.


There was a time when all of this stood for something different from the mainstream, truly alternative in terms of music, the distribution of the music the politics of the music, the dress sense. Now all the kids are ****ing boring trying to dress like their dads did years ago and calling it alternative. Where are all the tribes gone, the punks, the skins, the goths, the skaheads, the bikers, the mods, the ravers, the indie heads etc, etc. Where are the new trends, the new styles, the new haircuts. All a rehash and a bad one at that. Christ have you seen some of the young goths, they can't even spike their hair properly or dye it!!
Where is all the excitement gone? The bad directions to a rave in West Cork somewhere, the chase from a "fiend" cause you've got a funny haircut, the way the gang of skins took over the pavement, the array of Mohicans at the peace park, good original bands playing gigs for the first time in your city, the emergence of new types of musical cultures etc, etc.
All the kids have been bought by the man!!! Where is the rebellion or am I missing something?

[joeSoap]

Damien F***ING Dempsey. That git makes my blood boil. What a w*nkbag!!

Seriously....

[see's it]

Damien F***ING Dempsey. That git makes my blood boil. What a w*nkbag!!

Seriously....

thers no bulls**t with this guy his as real as you get.if you dont like his music just say so,i dont no him personally and i doubt you do so where does the w**kbag come from?

[razor]

if you dont like his music just say so,He does music?
I just thought he had a pain.

[hamish]

All a rehash and a bad one at that. Christ have you seen some of the young goths, they can't even spike their hair properly or dye it!!
Where is all the excitement gone?
All the kids have been bought by the man!!! Where is the rebellion or am I missing something?

Couldn't agree with you more man. Great point but Gerrit might have something to add to your Goth comments. LOL:D

Amazing how things change too. You had the Strolling Bones amd especially Jagger painted as the devil's representative on earth back in the 60s and early 70s and now it's "arise, SIR Michael Jagger":D Needless to say, much about the alternative scene back then was pure bunkum BUT there was a kind of counter culture of sorts back then. Record companies were more willing to take a chance with new bands and give them a chance to grow. Nowadays, if there isn't a big hit by the second album (sometimes even the first album) it's bye bye.

As far as I can recall, it was a kinda smorgasboard of being into rock, free love (Irish translation - the odd bonk outside marriage if you were lucky), soccer, leftish politics, anti-Capitalism etc etc and so and so on.

How deep it was it's hard to say but it sure felt good and a bit liberating at the time and did change things somewhat. I think the feeling did eventually permeate society, especially the baby boomer generation like me and got rid of a lot of awful parochialism and deference to authority - church, political parties, tradition etc.

The reaction back then was anyone having a liking for rock music, soccer and any type of politics outside FF and FG were called Shoneens ie. England lovers. Called that a few times myself.:D

This is/was something very hard to measure though.

Like all novelty though, the free love scene gradually transformed into the capitalism of sex - porn. Music has now become a thoroughly corporate affair with identkit groups in many cases serving a market. Football? Where to start?? Politics - is there any left left, so to speak??

With the likes of Tesco and fewer music companies dominating the music market, it gets harder and harder for any experimental music bands to break through.
You get a successful Celine Dion which means that record companies then supply us with Mariah Carey, Delta Goodrem and loads more such stuff. Take that means we end up with Boyzone, Westlife, Blue and so on.

[hamish]

Kinda like Girls Aloud.:o

Were they ever cool?

Can I be saved??:o :D

[rebs23]

Kinda like Girls Aloud.:o

Were they ever cool?

Can I be saved??:o :D

No and No.
Sugarbabes are way better and cooler!!!

[hamish]

No and No.
Sugarbabes are way better and cooler!!!

LOL - I'm doomed so rebs 23.:D

Must admit I like Heidi Range.:) That song "Stronger" is nice.

The first three Girls Aloud ditties weren't too bad - "No good advice" is an ok pop song.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Weee'rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre drrrrrrrrifting.

Sugababes? Girls Aloud? Maybe I should've specifically named Skanger-knack-pop in my moritorium.:D

[hamish]

Weee'rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre drrrrrrrrifting.

Sugababes? Girls Aloud? Maybe I should've specifically named Skanger-knack-pop in my moritorium

Ah go on now, LR, admit it, you do watch Girls Aloud when they're on telly.:p :D :D

[Lionel Ritchie]

Ah go on now, LR, admit it, you do watch Girls Aloud when they're on telly.:p

I'd never take my eyes off anyone that likely to twist a broken bottle in my face.:eek:

I s'pose the geordie one's not bad but that bindipping scouser's is wrecked.

[gustavo]

most of these band ye are on about arent "cool" in the sense that NME havent latched on to them like leeches i suppose the cool bands at the mo would be arctic monkeys , arcade fire etc but then the backlash is never more than 6 months away

[hamish]

I'd never take my eyes off anyone that likely to twist a broken bottle in my face.:eek:

I s'pose the geordie one's not bad but that bindipping scouser's is wrecked.

Which one's the scouser??:D

Muse are just on Kerrang now.......not mad about them either.

Where do they rate on the cool meter??

[Neish]

Kinda like Girls Aloud.:o

I kinda like Girls Aloud too, but there music is sh*te;)

[hamish]

I kinda like Girls Aloud too, but there music is sh*te;)

"No good advice" is a decent pop song. Nothing special. Just a nifty little ditty.

I feel there's a place for quality pop as well as the good stuff.

I suppose the best way to describe it is after a good meal, a little dessert is nice too. Not essential but pleasant now and again.:D

[Lionel Ritchie]

Which one's the scouser??:D

Muse are just on Kerrang now.......not mad about them either.

Where do they rate on the cool meter??

She's the redish haired one with the slitty eyes of a hardened glue-sniffer who you can picture exactly what she'll look like at 65 already.

Muse are on the cover of Kerrang? Christ. I'm depressed.

Yes they would rate highly both on the "Cool-meter" and the "in sore need of a right kicking" count as well:D

Girls Alouds songs are less terrible than much of their ilk ...but as an entity they are a dreadful loathsome development. Walsh (-inspired by Watermans treatment of the vile Steps of whom Waterman said "they asked me to make them famous ...rich was never mentioned") has manipulated those girls into downright exploitative contracts.
That they are willing participants in their own fleecing is worth mentioning but hardly the final word on the matter.

They are reportedly on fixed salaries and are essentially candy-coating on someone elses cake. When I say "reportedly" it's something one of them inadvertently blurted out in an interview some time ago.

Like all pop acts they are what's known in the biz as a 'Cash Cow' -however traditionally the cow got to see a bit more of the cash than I suspect these girls do or ever will. I doubt they have any residual rights once the group runs its course which can't be more than another year or two.

Actually I doubt you'd get an accurate answer if you were to ask any of them what a residual right is.

[Dr.Nightdub]

The Beatles always left me cold.
Oasis have always left me bored.
The Smiths and Nirvana always left me angry.

[hamish]

She's the redish haired one with the slitty eyes of a hardened glue-sniffer who you can picture exactly what she'll look like at 65 already.

Muse are on the cover of Kerrang? Christ. I'm depressed.

Yes they would rate highly both on the "Cool-meter" and the "in sore need of a right kicking" count as well:D

Girls Alouds songs are less terrible than much of their ilk ...but as an entity they are a dreadful loathsome development. Walsh (-inspired by Watermans treatment of the vile Steps of whom Waterman said "they asked me to make them famous ...rich was never mentioned") has manipulated those girls into downright exploitative contracts.
That they are willing participants in their own fleecing is worth mentioning but hardly the final word on the matter.

They are reportedly on fixed salaries and are essentially candy-coating on someone elses cake. When I say "reportedly" it's something one of them inadvertently blurted out in an interview some time ago.

Like all pop acts they are what's known in the biz as a 'Cash Cow' -however traditionally the cow got to see a bit more of the cash than I suspect these girls do or ever will. I doubt they have any residual rights once the group runs its course which can't be more than another year or two.

Actually I doubt you'd get an accurate answer if you were to ask any of them what a residual right is.

So, basically, if the GA end up on the scrap heap in a year or two (agree with you there), they'll have fcuk all to show for it financially.

Talk about exploitation but, then, they must have had some idea that Louis Walsh and co. wouldn't exactly make them millionaires.

I suppose satellite TV shows will be part of their future - mayve QVC or a gambling channel:D

Funny, the Guardian rock writers gave their latest album 5/5 as did a few other music reviewers. Apparently they rate high on the chavsometer.

[Marked Man]

U2 are fcking sh.t

and this has nothing to do with different people having different musical taste
just trust me on this they are ars.e cack

outside of their mega stadium multi media boll.ocks i just couldnt imagine anyone listening to their music on its own merits


its contrived pseudo political aural horse manure

Jesus, get off the fence, would you?

[sligoman]

I wouldn't say they "suck" but U2 are certainly over-rated in my opinion.

[Kingdom]

The Frames are considered cool in this indigneous Whelans popularity merry-go-round aren't they? They get my vote.

Yooo ha Charlie :D :D :D Thank God someone else hates them. I'd love to smag that smub b@stard Hansen right in the fcuking nose.

[Lim till i die]

Red hot chilli peppers
The Stone Roses

First one couldn't agree more.
The Second one - That's contreversial :eek:

Also am I the only person who thinks Oasis are better than the Beatles? (I sense a lynching!) Beatles never wrote a Don't Look Back in Anger. And before anyone goes on about crap lyrics, "I am The Walrus" WTF was that about :eek:

[Lionel Ritchie]

First one couldn't agree more.
The Second one - That's contreversial :eek:

Also am I the only person who thinks Oasis are better than the Beatles? (I sense a lynching!) Beatles never wrote a Don't Look Back in Anger. And before anyone goes on about crap lyrics, "I am The Walrus" WTF was that about :eek:

Oasis aren't even better than the fcuking Bangles much less the Beatles:D

[ken foree]

First one couldn't agree more.
The Second one - That's contreversial :eek:

Also am I the only person who thinks Oasis are better than the Beatles? (I sense a lynching!) Beatles never wrote a Don't Look Back in Anger. And before anyone goes on about crap lyrics, "I am The Walrus" WTF was that about :eek:

please god let this be a wind-up!

[Rovers1]

ARCTIC MONKEYS-make my ears bleed,knew the second i heard them id loathe them! libertines wannabes

[Lim till i die]

please god let this be a wind-up!

only to a certain extent :eek:

While in no way proclaiming oasis as the world's greatest band I stand by my assertion that the beatle's suck.

Maybe it's my youthful years but i just think their pants to be honest

[klein4]

it probably is your youthful ears but fair play to ya for sayin what ya think.
I like the beatles but as for albums give me definitely maybe over any of theirs.

[ccfcman]

The Killers and Foo Fighters for sure are ****

[klein4]

any of the people talkin bout folk albums earlier know anything bout richard thompson? reccomend any of his stuff?

[ken foree]

any of the people talkin bout folk albums earlier know anything bout richard thompson? reccomend any of his stuff?

i've seen him live solo and he's very good but don't know his solo albums - i'd rec his fairport convention stuff, first five albums are supposed to be good. out of them i could only *really* recommend "liege and lief" which i have. very good album

[klein4]

cheers.fair play. I saw him on the later show that was the precursor to the jools holland one(think the roses had their infamous "amatuers" tv appearance on same show) but he was just like nuthin I ever saw before and kept meaning to check out some of his stuff but never got round to it til recently. I like his kinda faster solo finger picking stuff (:o )that I have heard.was kinda lookin for more of the same.

[ken foree]

cheers.fair play. I saw him on the later show that was the precursor to the jools holland one(think the roses had their infamous "amatuers" tv appearance on same show) but he was just like nuthin I ever saw before and kept meaning to check out some of his stuff but never got round to it til recently. I like his kinda faster solo finger picking stuff (:o )that I have heard.was kinda lookin for more of the same.

yea he seems very technical/adept on either an electric or accoustic. live he was playing the hell out of an electric guitar. aforementioned john fahey has a lovely, rolling finger-picked style, a real master. leo kottke is somewhat in the same mold but i'm not too familiar with his stuff. if you do check out "liege and lief" by fairport, turn the song 'matty groves,' nine minutes long, fantastic.

[Dublin12]

any of the people talkin bout folk albums earlier know anything bout richard thompson? reccomend any of his stuff?

He's got a new 5cd box set coming out first week Feb,but I think it would be more suited to somebody thats really into him,it's unrealeased recordings and rare nuggets but on one of the cd's are all his classic songs.Could be a good one alright,I'll get that myself.

[klein4]

thanks again...will deffo look into him a bit..have an album called front parlour ballads and I like 'miss patsy' and 'boys of mutton street' off that. and another album which is more 70s with linda thompson called I want to see the bright lights. few good songs on that as well..cheers