Northern teams are not inferior [Archive] - Page 2

Raheny Red

12/12/2005, 3:09 PM

royalblue wrote;

honestly think some people on this forum are radio rental. To say Northern Teams are pub teams is the biggest joke ever. How many trophies have cork, shels, bohs, rovers and derry won in their history. Take a look at Linfield and Glentorans trophy collection!

Jesus Christ RB that's what most of the eL fans have been saying here. Outside the top 2 or 3 in the iL there is fc�k all else happening!!

Peadar

12/12/2005, 3:13 PM

Jesus Christ RB that's what most of the eL fans have been saying here. Outside the top 2 or 3 in the iL there is fc�k all else happening!!

The more he says, the more he proves us right. :D

Keep it up blue boy, we're all agreeing with you.

Mark Breen

12/12/2005, 3:30 PM

Yep its just like the scot's 2 teams every year (except maybe this one)

Course your gonna win more trophey's when the rest of your league is crap

Even a poor longford side did ok against your two strongest teams and i say ok cause your crap and so are they, yes you beat us in the final, fair play your deserved it, thats a one off, can't see you beat any of the irish side in the final this year thats if you even get to the final, i see an all eorcom league final two of three teams shels, cork or derry

We proved how poor you league is by trashing Glentoran in the champions league and had it been linfield the result wouldn't have changed, go watch some Eircom league and you'll soon realise what i'm talking about,i know its not the Serie A but its a hell of a lot better than the irish league up north, which is rank

i look forward to beatin whoever we get in today's draw, with or without Byrne

A face

12/12/2005, 3:36 PM

Take a look at Linfield and Glentorans trophy collection!

So you can shoot fish in a barrel ... fair play !!

royalblue

12/12/2005, 4:23 PM

You guys are hilarious!! Shooting fish in a barrel, just great, only we have been winning tournament after tournament since we where formed when you lot where included. Look at our record against southern teams, nearly impeccable and thats from the beginning. Which club in history is going to be remembered as Irelands greatest club north and south; why of course Linfield. Lets face it you have a had a few great years, but lets compare trophy cabinets!!! We have the premier heritage not you lot. And the scary thing is we are going to get better and better. We are Irelands most hated team and thats because we are the most sucessful team arround. History will remember and honour Linfield for being the greatest.

:cool:

Peadar

12/12/2005, 4:28 PM

We are Irelands most hated team...

Listen mate, you might be hated round your way but most of the population of Ireland don't even know who you are.
If you stopped 100 people on the street in Dublin and asked them who were the most successful team in NI, they'd say "Derry?"

You're history, just like Rovers.
Big fish, little pond.

p�l-dcfc

12/12/2005, 4:29 PM

History will remember and honour Linfield for being the greatest...

Mod edit : I have deleted that ..... anymore and you are out on your ear.
And anyone else that is even thinking about it .... you know what will happen. Think !!

I now live in England, and while most people know of Shamrock Rovers and the Shels, EVERYONE I talk to about Irish Football knows of Linfield. And the unfortunate association with violent loyalism seems to be the only reason. It truely saddens me, but its true in my experience

Mod : Dont start mentioning 'your experience' and not back it up.
For the record, i dont want you to back it up, on egg shells now fella. Sort it out ... you have seven posts.

Raheny Red

12/12/2005, 4:44 PM

Ok this topic is beginning to fizzle out. Well the Setants Sports Cup (thats gonna
be the new name) is being made now. Come Feb lets see if RB adn the rest still got the same attitude!!

Mark Breen

12/12/2005, 4:45 PM

Ye i'm searchin every site to find out who we have

cheifo

12/12/2005, 4:46 PM

Royalblues point is merely that our teams are not technically more gifted as theres.The fact that Linfield won the Setanta cup this year would support this in my veiw.

Raheny Red

12/12/2005, 4:48 PM

In 2 CL games we totally outclassed the Glens!!

Mark Breen

12/12/2005, 4:48 PM

Who obviously where at the time the league champions ahead of linfield

royalblue

12/12/2005, 5:14 PM

cheifo
Apprentice Join Date: Sep 2005
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Royalblues point is merely that our teams are not technically more gifted as theres.The fact that Linfield won the Setanta cup this year would support this in my veiw.

Thanks mate you seem to be only one of about 4 who have actually understood my point. I guess the rest must see through rose tinted glasses. The whole topic was on technical ability. Some guy slates Linfield and Northern teams and says we are not technically as good.

I was saying if you compared southern born players to Northern born players generally they are all on the same level technically. So to say Southern teams are techically better than Linfield is crap. Yeah there are always some who are better than the norm (wayne rooney) these players are just naturally gifted. But to say that a team/teams is technically better than another, then they need to have technically better players. But i dont see it generally in your teams. As I said you have some great players who would grace our league, but we also have great players who would grace your league. But not all eircom teams have these technically better players. They are few and far between. Fitness is the difference, it can improve your awareness as your brain gets more oxygen, you are sharper as a player, but you are not technically better than you where. Just more alert and fitter.

Slash/ED

12/12/2005, 5:55 PM

In 2 CL games we totally outclassed the Glens!!

Indeed, even Longford would have beaten Glentoran on away goals last year if their setanta group matches were taken together, and their first game of the season was in the oval.

Anyone who thinks in the champions league matches the only difference was fitness is badly, badly deluding themselves. And Shels were sh*t at the time and around the Setanta cup final too. Lost to relegated Rovers the next game in Tolka as I recall, doesn't prove anything.

Roverstillidie

12/12/2005, 6:07 PM

RB, with respect you are on a hiding to nothing.

to say all players and sides are technically the same is bonkers. Rovers v Barca? Norn Iron v Brazil? Come on out of that.

The Setanta win for Linfiled was a fine result because they werent expected to do so. I suspect they got a disimproving shels side at just the right time, and fair play, they took their chance. The real benchmark was the spanking they gave glens in the CL.

As for your trophies, all it means is for 130 years 2 clubs have dominiated, and the EL is far, far more competitive, where top can get done by bottom, and any one of 3 or 4 sides could win it every year. How you see that as a sign of weakness is beyond me.

Unless you are on some form of wind up?

royalblue

12/12/2005, 8:31 PM

Dyl10

12/12/2005, 9:48 PM

He would be good cover for any eircom League club.

A very valid point, Ucd should get him as cover for robbie martin:p

A face

13/12/2005, 12:32 AM

Did you actually read what i typed. I never said all teams are technically the same. I said Northern Irish Players and Southern Irish Players are technically the same. I also said there are exceptional players in Nothern and Southern teams. The only advantage your top clubs have over us at Linfield is fitness.

RB, that is where i disagree, i am not saying there is something in the water down here and all southern players are better as a result, i am saying fitness aside, just techical ability, eL team seem to have the underhand, and i base this on what i see in players playing in competitive football. Maybe there is more money floating about down here and i can only speak for Cork City here, there have been big changes in coaching and amount of staff here, so that is bound to effect it.

And the EL has only become competitive in recent years.

No its not .... it has been competitive for years before that, just not very good at it :p

Only in the last 10 years has your league went from being sub-standard to a good league. And our league has dropped from a good league in the last 10 years to sub-standard now.

I'd agree, in the last few years our league has come on leaps and bounds, where as any news we get barr fixtures/results from yours are club houses burning down and managers leaving. But the point i am making .... where ever it is at now, i think the eL teams are on a high level than IF teams

Trust me 10 years ago we would have hammered every team down south with the team we had. And your league is no premiership, i have watched your matches with a handful being okay. The rest is pump it as high as you can football.

10 years ago, we would not have stood there looking at ye knockin' balls into the net .... no more than ye will stand there looking at us doing this year :p but the point is, there is alot less long ball stuff down here, and that is a banker. You lot might do well kickin' lumps out of us this year ... but that doesn't make you a better team, given a level playing field, match fitness wise, at the moment we'd hang ye out to dry. You have the upper hand now in that we wont be match fit, but you'll need to take all the advantages you get and we understand that !!

drummerboy

13/12/2005, 10:40 AM

A mate of mine was sitting in a bar in Spain watching the Shels v Glentoran game. Got talkin to this guy from the north who turned out to be a Glentoran player, Glendennin I think, sorry about spelling. Anyway said he wasn't bothered giving up his holiday to play in Setanta Cup. Surprising really considering the money involved for clubs.

Raheny Red

13/12/2005, 10:53 AM

drummerboy wrote:

Anyway said he wasn't bothered giving up his holiday to play in Setanta Cup.

Jaysus did Roy Coyle not bother telling him that it was the Champions League!!

Dassa

13/12/2005, 10:56 AM

The players are part time and if hes spent alot of money on a holiday then why loose the money. The clubs up here were very unlikely to give him the money hed spent back so cant blame PT footballer for that. Surely with the players who have left both the IL and EL both doing very well across the water this is a sign that technically both league are strong enough.
Doyle -Cork- Reading-ROI
Elliot- Glentoran-Motherwell-Hull- NI

Slash/ED

13/12/2005, 11:00 AM

The players are part time and if hes spent alot of money on a holiday then why loose the money. The clubs up here were very unlikely to give him the money hed spent back so cant blame PT footballer for that. Surely with the players who have left both the IL and EL both doing very well across the water this is a sign that technically both league are strong enough.

He knew the dates for the CL literally years in advance, they don't change, he knew it when he booked his holiday too.

Macy

13/12/2005, 11:04 AM

Don't think a part time player would get away with that down here, and I'd say it's a while since teams went in with no training (which is what Glens appeared to do).

Dassa

13/12/2005, 11:08 AM

Have to admit that the Glens preparations for those matches was a disgrace and dont know what Roy was thinking. A manager with his experience should know better and Glentoran brought no glory upon our league with their second round performance. Heres hoping lessons can be learnt from that disaster for NI teams in the future.

Dazzy

13/12/2005, 11:08 AM

Most players of the EL only went on holidays and id rather play in a CL game than go on holiday!

Peadar

13/12/2005, 11:19 AM

id rather play in a CL game than go on holiday!

Enjoy your holidays this summer mate. :D

Dazzy

13/12/2005, 4:20 PM

Enjoy your holidays this summer mate. :D

How is Lithuainia in the summer? :D

Ceirtlis

13/12/2005, 5:22 PM

Back to the debate at hand i think that as well as being fitter eircom league teams are better organised which in a way could be seen as better technically. there are tons of goals in the il and the defending can be absolutely shambolic from what i see on bbc. however for el fans to be looking down their noses at any other league is a bit rich. i am an el fan tru and tru but whenever i try and watch a game on telly at home or when i am at college i have to watch it my own room cos noone else in the house will sit through it. the fai cup final was one of the poorest games i have seen in a long time there must have been about 100 throw ins and there was not a whole load of skill on show. overall i think the el is marginally better and i think royal blue might be winding you up a little going on about linfield so much ,what they ever do in europe?

pete

14/12/2005, 9:30 AM

I think its a fairly poor excuse to say Linfield not gone fulltime as would kill competition in the league. Shels went fulltime in the eL & other teams have followed. Shels & maybe Drogs are probably the only fully fulltime clubs as other have part-timers too.

Sure if it ever gets too easy for Linfield ye could always apply to join the eL. Might have to start in the 1st division but sure that will get you used to the higher standard.

:)

royalblue

14/12/2005, 1:14 PM

Sure what did linfield do in europe! Let me think well a part from a few european cup quarter finals, not much hee!hee!. And that was when it was a really hard competition, not like now. The teams that Linfield played in those days would walk all over your teams today, like the great Liverpool team and the Manchester City team. It was a lot harder competition when it was straight knockout. Yes times change and that was the past, and who knows what future brings. But are heritage is coated in Platinum and Gold. We have had legendary teams at Linfield with Legendary players like the great Jackie Milburn, who Alan Shearer is trying to break his goal scoring record. You have been doing well in europe and i hope you keep it up. As for Linfield going fulltime, it was all down to the IFA at the time, whatever else you might think. The IFA are a bunch of old gits who wont change. As for Linfield joining your league, no chance Keep dreaming. But lets say they did join the eircom, it would be the best thing that ever happened to your league. Right away the attendances at each ground would go up when Linfield played, as Linfield have the largest travelling support around. And also the fact that every team would want to knock The Great Linfield of the top spot of the eircom league year after year after year:)

pete

14/12/2005, 1:19 PM

Sure what did linfield do in europe! Let me think well a part from two european cup quarter finals, not much hee!hee!. And that was when it was a really hard competition, not like now.

Living on past glories is dangerous. At you sure your not a Shamrock Rovers supporter?

;)

royalblue

14/12/2005, 1:30 PM

And you are not living on the past? anything other than today is past mate. Mate the heritage of Shels and Cork is just wafer thin. :)

Lets face it cork and shels and others have had a few good years, try doing it for decades!!!

Peadar

14/12/2005, 1:35 PM

Lets face it cork and shels and others have had a few good years, try doing it for decades!!!

anything other than today is past mate
Try doing it now!
Lets see something from Linfield now, don't mind giving us the history lesson.
History belongs in books!

dancinpants

14/12/2005, 2:53 PM

Right away the attendances at each ground would go up when Linfield played, as Linfield have the largest travelling support around.

Not hard considering the furthest ye have to travel is about 80 miles FFS :rolleyes:

A face

14/12/2005, 3:58 PM

Not hard considering the furthest ye have to travel is about 80 miles FFS :rolleyes:

Yeah .... 80 miles, sure thats only an hour .... we travel more than three hours nearly every second weekend.
Remember .... its a totally different kettle of fish playing with the big boys !!

Raheny Red

14/12/2005, 4:12 PM

History is a thing of the past!!:p

RB please come back here in April and lets see how your attitude is then!!:rolleyes:

dcfcsteve

14/12/2005, 4:25 PM

We have had legendary teams at Linfield with Legendary players like the great Jackie Milburn, who Alan Shearer is trying to break his goal scoring record.

Ever heard of a Belfast man by the name of 'George Best' ? Played for Cork Hibernians...

Ever heard of an Englishman by the name of 'Dixie Dean' ? Played for Sligo Rovers....

Ever heard of a Yorkshire man by the name of 'Alan Sunderland' ? Played for Derry City....

Or a Cork man by the name of Roy Keane ? Played for Cobh Ramblers...

Or a Dubliner by the name of Paul McGrath ? Played for St Patrick's Athletic..

I could go on. Linfield isn't alone in having had famous players on its books in the distant past you know....

dancinpants

14/12/2005, 4:26 PM

Slash/ED

14/12/2005, 8:23 PM

Ever heard of a Belfast man by the name of 'George Best' ? Played for Cork Hibernians...

Ever heard of an Englishman by the name of 'Dixie Dean' ? Played for Sligo Rovers....

Ever heard of a Yorkshire man by the name of 'Alan Sunderland' ? Played for Derry City....

Or a Cork man by the name of Roy Keane ? Played for Cobh Ramblers...

Or a Dubliner by the name of Paul McGrath ? Played for St Patrick's Athletic..

I could go on. Linfield isn't alone in having had famous players on its books in the distant past you know....

European cup winner Tony Dunne for Shelbourne too :)

daveh

14/12/2005, 10:09 PM

For clubs in both our leagues the champions league is much harder to do well in nowadays,only 2 rounds and you were through to the quarter finals at the time ye qualified sure!

Nowadays you have to go through 3 qualifying rounds before you get through to the bloody thing,in total for a small club to win it now they would have to play 19 games!!Thats more than half the games in a full season!!

Dr.Nightdub

14/12/2005, 10:22 PM

You guys are hilarious!! Shooting fish in a barrel, just great, only we have been winning tournament after tournament since we where formed when you lot where included.

Apart from a couple of decades between the two World Wars when Celtic basically p1ssed all over youse. And I don't mean the Glasgow lot! ;)

The only really valid way to settle this whole debate would be if they revived the inter-league matches that they used to have years ago - in fact, an eL Select v IL Select, played over home and away legs, would probably be a great draw. FAI, IFA and Setanta, please take note.

Fortuna1886

16/12/2005, 10:38 AM

I don't subscribe to RB's view. I believe there is more strength in depth in the EL. I cant see to many up here arguing that fact. What I would say though is there is not a great deal of difference between your top 3 and our top 3. We are on a fairly big downward spiral up here, have been for over a decade due to under investment and lack of media coverage but we still held our own in last years Setanta.

My (albeit poorly informed) opinion would be that the EL has been on the up over the last decade and for me that makes our achievement last year all the sweeter, I was expecting to get turned over in the Final big style.

Regardless of which league is stronger at the minute, things change. This is a graph of the European Club rankings or our respective countries and its fairly even with highs & lows for both countries.

http://kassiesa.com/uefagraphs/crank-graph-create.php?country1=Ireland&country2=Northern%20Ireland&country3=&country4=&country5=&year1=1960&year2=2005

R�iteoir

16/12/2005, 10:52 AM

European cup winner Tony Dunne for Shelbourne too :)

Didn't Ronnie Whelan turn out for Home Farm?

R�iteoir

16/12/2005, 10:55 AM

The one I have here, a team just needed to get past two rounds to reach the quarter final. Your opponents? Well there weren't any "greats" by any stretch of the imagination.

Valerengans IF (Norway)

Ah yes - that was in the era when we (V�lerenga) were still very much an amateur club.

Heck we even lost to Athlone Town a few years later :D

Galwayexile

17/12/2005, 2:27 AM

jesus roylablue get a life and stop looking at this through your foggy glasses.

Yes linfield are prob the form side in ireland atm but the standard up the north is terrible where 6 nil wins are common ffs. Its a long ball game up north while down south teams actually like to pass the ball.Now tell me who has the more ability.

Cork and shelbourne have progressed further in europe in the last 3 years than any club up north in the last ten years.

Oh and did i mention kevin doyle who went for a paltry 100 k and now hes worth at least 10 times that and his stock is rising playing for reading who will get promoted to the premiership this season.

I have read all your posts and all you bleet on about is technical ability, what a load of crap, wes houlahan has more ability in his right foot than any player you mention. If linfield are so great why dont they go fulltime. I see that the last great hope up north andy smith is still languishing in the preston reserves. He used to score buckets full for glentoran like peter thompson.

Is this power trip coming from when the north beat a poor england side then. I think so. If you want to see abilty come down to Utd park, the brandywell, tolka park and finally down south in cork, the current EL champions. Linfield may be a decent side but i know who i would be backing if they played cork or even shelbourne.

Once the setanta cup is played you will find out who is the better team.

Gerrit

20/12/2005, 6:16 PM

Linfield is IMO the only club here in the North that would be a top club in the EL as well.

The difference in level is not that big, on the contrary, but there is still a difference. I don't think Glens and Portadown would be competing in the top of the EL. If there'd be an all-Ireland league I think Linfield would be the only northern team having a decent chance to win the league (with Shels, Derry, Cork as competitors)

Same for the Setanta Cup: the cup will be won either by one of the EL sides or Linfield. Linfield are the one IL team that have a fair chance.

But the level difference may be there, it's not huge. I have seen some pretty good games here in the North as well, it's not all bad what you see here ;)
The one thing by the way in which Northern Ireland overpowers the south, is the standard of the stadiums. And then I'm not just refering to Windsor and The Oval.

pete

21/12/2005, 11:40 AM

The one thing by the way in which Northern Ireland overpowers the south, is the standard of the stadiums. And then I'm not just refering to Windsor and The Oval.

All the other grounds are terrible & certain no better than top 5-6 eL grounds. I;ve only been to Portadown & that was shocking as floodlights didn't light the middle of the pitch. :eek:

paudie

21/12/2005, 1:12 PM

Mate the heritage of Shels and Cork is just wafer thin. :)

Can't believe a Shels fan didn't take you up on this.
Shels won the IFA cup in 1906, 1920 & 1921 and have the LOI over 10 times since 1925/26. Not a bad hertiage at all by any yardstick.

Also while Cork City are just over 20 years old Cork clubs first won the FAI cup in 1926 and the league 1940/41.

Just because you happen to follow a successful club means you can label all other clubs as having little or no heritage.

Gerrit

21/12/2005, 7:59 PM

As for my statements on grounds: Portadown and Cliftonville for example have no top-of-the-bill ground but also not bad, definitely better than for example Drogheda, UCD (although Belfield has other charms) and whatever it is in Tallaght that's supposed to be a stadium :D

Glenavon is new in the IL (okay, played IL before for a long time as well) and has a very charming ground.

And yes, Windsor Park is the best ground of both EL and IL put together.

But as I said, the grounds are the one thing in which IMO the North is better. Football level-wise it's definitely the EL that's on higher standard.