Substantial bid received for Jayo Byrne

[Student Mullet]

The question is not wheather Byrne is worth 400,000 euro, rather can Shels get a player better than Byrne with that money.

[Roverstillidie]

The question is not wheather Byrne is worth 400,000 euro, rather can Shels get a player better than Byrne with that money.

he would be a significant earner off the books.

mchugh? farren? both for less wages?

afew decent strikers up north at the moment?

[Slash/ED]

McHugh doesn't seem to want Ulster. Dunno about Farren yet, first of all it'd cost to get him second will he be able to repeat that form for another season?

[sfc red]

Apparently signing today for €600,000. 50% to Bray :eek:
Bray to push for the league now???? :D

[Jerry The Saint]

if the deal goes ahead will we then see jason byrne called up into the full irish squad too like kevin doyle, suddenly he'll be international class i suppose

I notice that Byrne was never considered international class while he was playing for Bray. He moves to Shels and is instantly called up to the Ireland squad. Funny how that happens! :rolleyes:

It's a sad indictment of the game in Wicklow when you have to leave Bray to be deemed worthy of international football. :p

[Gareth]

You will find his calling up was for the benefit of Bray who got additional money for Jason being "capped".

[rerun]

Apparently signing today for €600,000. 50% to Bray :eek:
Bray to push for the league now???? :D
Is 200K of that not a signing on fee? If Bray are taking half of the 400K left, do you only value your top scorer at 200K? Think about it, now you have to replace a striker (let's be honest, Crowe isn't exactly banging them in) and now every club knows there's money in the bank, so you'll have to pay over the odds for a replacement. Not a good deal if you ask me. Can't have been thinking too far ahead with the sell on agreement with Bray.

[pete]

It's a sad indictment of the game in Wicklow when you have to leave Bray to be deemed worthy of international football. :p

Even sadder when you don't even have to leave County Dublin ;)

Bray could do some good & actually spend some cash on their ground. Hows about a roof to stop those spring/summer/autumn/winter wind chills?

Shels will buy Zayed as replacement but his fee might have increased if Bray sitting on wad of cash.

[MrJoeSoap]

Byrne left Bray after they were relegated, I don't think even the most ardent of eL fans will argue that a player in the First Division is playing at international standard! ;)

[EnDai]

According to some lad in one of the other threads here, they are also after Weso :( Now Weso would require a 7 figure sum as far as I am concerned! If he was let go for anything under, say, €1,500,000 there'd be something wrong with the world!

[ThatGuy]

According to some lad in one of the other threads here, they are also after Weso :( Now Weso would require a 7 figure sum as far as I am concerned! If he was let go for anything under, say, €1,500,000 there'd be something wrong with the world!
7 figures for Houlihan? Are you having a giraffe?

[EnDai]

He's far more valuable than Jayo, imho.

[Tenderloins]

Let Byrne go to Djungardens. Get a good sell on clause cos if he does any good he'll be sold on.
As for Weso, cant see him commanding a €1 million transfer fee. 500,000 with a decent sell on clause.

[MrJoeSoap]

Weso is infinitely more valuable than Jayo. At least €1.5m to be blatantly honest. He has years and years of football ahead of him.

[Slash/ED]

You can't use the age excuse with Wes like with Jayo about having no re-sell value afterwards. If they want Wes they'll have to pay more than they did for Jayo

[Gareth]

Any official news will be announced on Shelsweb first. So far no deal has been signed and if and when it does we will publish the news.

[pete]

Jeez ye getting ahead of yourselfs with €1.5m bids now. IMO most eL sides would jump at the chance of selling any players for €500k. Baby steps to getting true value for players is whats required.

It seems only thing thats holding up Byrne transfer is Shels probably trying to get Bray to lower their entitlement in sell on clause.

This is the way the eL should eL funing itself. Biggest clubs buy from smaller clubs, big clubs ell best players & smaller club gets a cut or else sells another player to bigger clubs & so on. If the top sides could sell a decent player for 500k a season it would fund movement to the next level. If those players were successful abroad would get sell on funds down the line...

[Slash/ED]

There is literally no player of Wes Hoolahans class available for 500,000 anywhere especially one as young as him. Ergo, sell him for that, the team is weakened, Shels lose out, so why do it? Believe it or not Shels don't have to sell anyone, even Byrne, for financial reasons this season.

[thejollyrodger]

I dont really want any of our best players to go. €500,000 is nothing. Even €1.5 million wouldnt really impress me. But im sure the club is doing what is best for Shelbourne F.C.

[pineapple stu]

In 1983 Shamrock Rovers got £50,000 for Jim Beglin. I'd say that is easily worth at least €1/2m in present day transfer fee standards.
It's about a quarter of a million in today's money anyway. UCD got £30,000 for Joe Hanrahan in 1985. Amazing that we're not even now back to that position!

[Éanna]

I'm not a big fan of Byrne's to be honest, never really have been, but if the figure is over €500,000 then its a pretty decent deal for Shels. Given the way the transfer market is now, and taking past transfers into account its not bad at all. Maybe not the kind of figure we'd all hope for, but certainly a big step in the right direction

[ThatGuy]

Even €1.5 million wouldnt really impress me.
Have you ever been impressed by anything in your life then?

[pete]

Maybe not the kind of figure we'd all hope for, but certainly a big step in the right direction

Exactly, its a gradual move. If Byrne goes for 500-600k it sets the bar higher for other eL players especially if goes to tribunals or such...

[sfc red]

let's be honest, Crowe isn't exactly banging them in.

Considering the amount of games he played, he scored a fair amount of goals. Still in the top 3 EL strikers along with Jay and O'Flynn

[rerun]

Considering the amount of games he played, he scored a fair amount of goals. Still in the top 3 EL strikers along with Jay and O'Flynn

And there was me thinking the top three strikers were:
22 Jason Byrne
17 Mark Farren
13 Kevin McHugh

[Mark Breen]

I think he was talking about consistancy, as in the last few years,

One good season dosent make a good striker.....

[Roo69]

On average over the past 3 EPL seasons (i think).........

Glen Crowe - 15.33
Jason Byrne - 22.66
John O'Flynn - 12.33
Declan O'Brien - 9.33

Byrne is by far the best goal scorer in the eL

If you include Zayed, 2 seasons in the 1st his record is 16 goals per season on average, and McHugh's average over the past 3 seasons is 18 goals per season, also 2 seasons in the 1st division.

[ThatGuy]

On average over the past 3 EPL seasons (i think).........

Glen Crowe - 15.33
Jason Byrne - 22.66
John O'Flynn - 12.33
Declan O'Brien - 9.33

Byrne is by far the best goal scorer in the eL

If you include Zayed, 2 seasons in the 1st his record is 16 goals per season on average, and McHugh's average over the past 2 seasons is 18 goals per season
Great research there Roo69. Are those the top 4 averages? As a matter of interest what was Crowe's average for the last 3 years excluding the year at Shels? In my opinion Crowe is still the best striker in the league.

[Roo69]

Yep, they are the top 4 averages that i can see and work out, Crowe's last 3 seasons with Bohs he averaged 18.66 goals per season.


Also, i was just looking at the lists of scorers there, Mark Robrts was with Shels, what ever happened to him ?

[pineapple stu]

He's with Partick Thistle (http://www.ptfc.co.uk/team/squad.asp?id=34) in the Scottish Division Two now. Can honestly say I don't remember him at all...!

[ThatGuy]

I know they haven't been Premier for the last 3 seasons, but what are the averages of Zayed and McHugh?

[Roo69]

Already included that in my orignal post but......

If you include Zayed, 2 seasons in the 1st his record is 16 goals per season on average, and McHugh's average over the past 3 seasons is 18 goals per season, also 2 seasons in the 1st division.

[bigmac]

How does that translate into a goals per game ratio though? would perhaps be a truer reflection on value if some players aren't playing as regularly as others. Byrne played nine games more than Crowe this season for example(43 vs 34), Farren played 31 and I've no idea of McHugh. If Crowe and Farren had played the same number of games as Byrne, they'd have had 15 and 23 goals respectively.

[Raheny Red]

Roo69 wrote;


Also, i was just looking at the lists of scorers there, Mark Robrts was with Shels, what ever happened to him ?




As far as I'm aware, Zé Roberto went back to Airdrie United. If I'm mistaken could someone correct please!!

[Ceirtlis]

Aside from kevin doyle there is not many ex eircom league players proving themselves abroad. until players show that they are value for money transfer fees out of ireland will stay low so i think there is no way that shels would be able to command 1million for wes houlihan. i would be very surprised if the j byrne fee passes 500k.

[ThatGuy]

Aside from kevin doyle there is not many ex eircom league players proving themselves abroad. until players show that they are value for money transfer fees out of ireland will stay low so i think there is no way that shels would be able to command 1million for wes houlihan. i would be very surprised if the j byrne fee passes 500k.
Apart from Roy Keane ;)

Seriously, Gareth O'Connor is doing very well over there.

[sfc red]

And there was me thinking the top three strikers were:
22 Jason Byrne
17 Mark Farren
13 Kevin McHugh


On average over the past 3 EPL seasons (i think).........

Glen Crowe - 15.33
Jason Byrne - 22.66
John O'Flynn - 12.33
Declan O'Brien - 9.33

Byrne is by far the best goal scorer in the eL

If you include Zayed, 2 seasons in the 1st his record is 16 goals per season on average, and McHugh's average over the past 3 seasons is 18 goals per season, also 2 seasons in the 1st division.

:p :p :p

[thejollyrodger]

Have you ever been impressed by anything in your life then?

Yes. Shelbournes victory over Split

[MrJoeSoap]

Aside from kevin doyle there is not many ex eircom league players proving themselves abroad. until players show that they are value for money transfer fees out of ireland will stay low so i think there is no way that shels would be able to command 1million for wes houlihan. i would be very surprised if the j byrne fee passes 500k.

Wes is a whole different ball game. Shels should know he is worth a 7 figure sum and shouldn't sell him for less. Unless the clubs financial future depends on it.

[Dodge]

Hoolihan is ****. Seriously. Far too small for any decent league. He's a LOI player for life. Great deal for Shels on the Jay Byrne deal. Just shows how much Dolan f***ed over Cork even more with the Doyle dealings....

[MrJoeSoap]

Hoolihan is ****. Seriously. Far too small for any decent league. He's a LOI player for life.

Rofl. I'd be delighted if he was a LOI player for life, he seems to score great goals against your crowd every single time we play you! His size is pretty much irrelevant, its not as if you have to big big to play on the wing.

For your viewing pleasure...

http://s6.putfile.com/videos/d2-21917521729.avi

[hoopy]

I think his lack of real pace is more of a setback than his lack of height

[OneRedArmy]

There seems to be a distinct lack of knowledge of basic economic theory here ;)

A players value is the price at which someone is willing to pay for him and what his current club is willing to sell him for.

There's a reason why six figure transfer fees are relatively rare in the EL and its got a lot to do with the standard of the players.

And E1m for Hoolihan?! Have his European performances against top class opposition consistently been that good?

If Doyle continues to prove himself and Byrne and Darryl Murphy make a name for themselves, look for transfer fees to go up.

But for every Doyle or Curtis Fleming there's been at least 10 other EL export failures.

[Bald Student]

Like Mullet said about Byrne earlier, Weso is worth as much as it would cost Shels to replace him with a better player.
Shelbourne are a football club, not a profit making business. Their only motivation in selling a player is to improve their team.

[Gareth]

For the latest news on the transfer:

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=210

[MrJoeSoap]

And E1m for Hoolihan?! Have his European performances against top class opposition consistently been that good?

Well he was man-of-the-match by many peoples accounts against Deportivo so that should say a lot.

He's the one player who consistently performs for Shels, his ability on the ball is amazing. I'm not going to get into a debate about how much he is worth because he's the one player I love going to watch, so to me he's priceless.

[Raheny Red]

as the hours go by it's looking increasingly likely that it's not gonna happen :) :) :)

[MrJoeSoap]

as the hours go by it's looking increasingly likely that it's not gonna happen :) :) :)

"They made an intial offer of €400,000 and we went back to them and told them that they would have to up their offer. They haven't come back to us as yet and the longer it goes on the less likely it is that it will happen. We're not going to let Jason go for small money, particulary as we'll lose a good proportion of it to Bray because of the sell-on clause."

- Nutsy

[Dazzy]

"They made an intial offer of €400,000 and we went back to them and told them that they would have to up their offer. They haven't come back to us as yet and the longer it goes on the less likely it is that it will happen. We're not going to let Jason go for small money, particulary as we'll lose a good proportion of it to Bray because of the sell-on clause."

- Nutsy

At least they got the right attitude in dealing with this! Bad move for him imo, EL is improving and its gonna give shels and bray a major boost to sign a few good players!

[gustavo]

Its a good day for the eL when one of its teams can turn down a 400,000 offer