Delaney

[mypost]

no not spouting, the fact that you exist at all is proof of the fai, letting you away with things, youve spent money on players, mostly bad ones for years instead of concentrating on getting a ground, going round with a begging bowl, even we offered you a ground this year, you got akeeper from usa last season and got a visa for him and you had no money... basically you havent been chucked out because of the so called 'where would the league be without rovers', well its doing ok at the moment at the top without you....well your time mybe up, unfortunately finn harps are so crap you will stay up even by a play off. 8pts deduction!!!! you got let off lightly..

You fail to note that your own club, amongst others, haven't exactly covered themselves in glory financially either, and would be out of the league, if it weren't for a couple of local Abramoviches rescuing you in the nick of time. So you're hardly fit to lecture our club on how it conducts it's business.

[Peadar]

as NY says, we did nothing every other club in the league has done, spend money they dont have on players.

Yeah, I think it's a bit rich, other clubs shouting for points to be deducted from Rovers. It's not like the FAI/eircom League are run efficiently.

How would it benefit the league to have Rovers removed and replaced by some regional club, with no tradition and even less support?

[mandrake]

i know what you mean, and i know we were on the brink as well, and it wont last forever, but we were punished about 5yrs ago and had to hand in 105k in security in case we went belly up again, dont think anyone else had to do that.
i just think that money was spent unwisely for glory on players over the 2o years and shouldve been concentrated on ground. we came last in the 1sty division 7 years ago and played yong players and low wages to clear our debt, pats have done it, i just think rovers could have done it years ago ...up from the ashes, grow the roses of success.
nyhoop .. thanks for the congrats
rovertillidie.....we have had about 6 different boards in 10+years, the last 2 have been ambitious with the money behind it, others spent unwisely....

[WeAreRovers]

there's been many boards since 1986 or whenever you left glenmalure, but they all done the same thing....you cant keep blaming orignal setup...you shouldve been deducted / chucked out years ago then you would be in a better position now

Pot...........Kettle..............Black :rolleyes:

KOH

[hoops1]

Cheques in Drogheda used to bounce more than Pamela
Andersons Knockers
Then they stopped bouncing!
But only because she had implants and
The players they still didnt get paid

[Cosmo]

Imagine all clubs that are a couple of hundred grand it debt got the threat the drogs got a few years ago!! Drogs were unfairly picked on there and wouldve been kicked out of the league only for ourr moneymen!

We'd our moneymen to bail us out when a couple of clubs in the league kicked us when we were down, thankfully rovers had their fans to bail them out - fair play and good luck with it.

Mandrake, you're beginnig to sound like those 'great' derry fans now :mad: . Don't kick a club when they're down (especially when your club was in similar trouble itself a few years ago) .

[coislaoi]

I have to agree with you on that one. I had to laugh really.

When he eventually did book him for time wasting (which was only a matter of time), it was when the keeper was waiting for the ball to be returned to the field after it went out for a goal kick. How could that constitute time wasting by the keeper? If anything the ballboy should have been booked.

Ah, but did you hear what Packie Holden said to the poor unfortunate ballboy 5 minutes into the game. Quote "Thanks, but don't give me the ball back so quickly the next time". :eek: I heard it and so did many around me. After that we had to let a roar at the ballboy to hurry him up, but all he was doing was following Packie's strict instructions so he took his time.;)
So don't blame the messenger or in this case the ballboy.:p

[bigmac]

Ah, but did you hear what Packie Holden said to the poor unfortunate ballboy 5 minutes into the game. Quote "Thanks, but don't give me the ball back so quickly the next time". :eek: I heard it and so did many around me. After that we had to let a roar at the ballboy to hurry him up, but all he was doing was following Packie's strict instructions so he took his time.;)
So don't blame the messenger or in this case the ballboy.:p

But the booking was in the second half so it was at the other end of the ground and therefore a different ballboy.

[coislaoi]

But the booking was in the second half so it was at the other end of the ground and therefore a different ballboy.

He probably had a word with the other ballboy as well. :p In any event he was timewasting from the minute crowley scored the penalty (1st minute). The booking was as a result of a culmination of timewasting up to that point. His chat to the ballboy gave us all a laugh anyway.:D

[bigmac]

He probably had a word with the other ballboy as well. :p In any event he was timewasting from the minute crowley scored the penalty (1st minute). The booking was as a result of a culmination of timewasting up to that point. His chat to the ballboy gave us all a laugh anyway.:D

Yeah, should have been booked earlier. Don't like to see teams timewaste to that extent - the timewasting of all the other players got Kenny sent off when he didn't have a clue what was going on. If the players hadn't been timewasting up to that incident, he probably wouldn't have got the first card.

[Peadar]

The 2 red cards cannot be justified.


You can see a clip of the game on the Official Cork City FC site (http://www.corkcityfc.ie/) and both incidents justify dismissal.

[bigmac]

Fair play to Cork for putting up clips of their games. It's a pity more clubs don't follow their lead (do Bohs do it as well?). Fantastic to have them on the web.

[Peadar]

Fair play to Cork...

Careful now, you can't forget to praise the little clubs too. :D

[bigmac]

Careful now, you can't forget to praise the little clubs too. :D

I thought I did :confused:


do Bohs do it as well?

[Peadar]

I thought I did :confused:


(do Bohs do it as well?).

That's hardly praise. ;)

[Anto McC]

Yeah right like John Delaney cares about Waterford... Refs are crap. Every team at the bottom thinks they're been done out of it. They're not. The refs are crap and the good teams get lucky...

Exactly,Dodge says it all right here

[NY Hoop]

You can see a clip of the game on the Official Cork City FC site (http://www.corkcityfc.ie/) and both incidents justify dismissal.

I have them on tape and they still do not warrant dismissal. If they were on yellow yes but a straight red is harsh. You must have been the only one in the ground to think that they were fair dismissals. A bit of common sense from the ref was warranted. Even your own player said it was a yellow after Mark's clumsy challenge.

KOH

[pete]

I think we all know eL refs not good enough but i think the big problem is the selection of refs for certain matches - big games should have experienced refs.

Waterford V City.
I can't remember Paul Whelan doing many Premier division games this season & i'm guessing hes mainly a 1st division ref. he was clearly out of his depth in very heated local derby. I thought sending was correct in the heat of the moment but looked at on tv & clearly wrong. Bennets yellow card was also ludicrous. Penalty was bad decision in 1st minute of game.

Rovers V City
Hugo Whoriskey doesn't do many City matches & I can see why. Sendings off were harsh in fair game with few bad tackles. 2nd sending off was strange when had City player pleading for Rovers player. The fact he chickened out of 3rd red card knowing he'd have to abandon game & explain his actions to the FAI was bizarre.

[Peadar]

You must have been the only one in the ground to think that they were fair dismissals.

I didn't say that they were "fair" in the sense that you imply, nor did I say that I wanted them to be sent off. I simply said that they were justified.

I expect Anyone with a knowledge of the laws of the game will look at the footage and agree with me.

[NY Hoop]

I expect Anyone with a knowledge of the laws of the game will look at the footage and agree with me.

You would have to exclude whoriskey then.

Read pete's answer.


KOH

[Peadar]

Read pete's answer.

Pete said they decisions were "harsh."
He didn't say they were unjust.

Can you not see the difference?
I've made the point more than once.

[pete]

You would have to exclude whoriskey then.

Read pete's answer.

KOH

I'll take that as a compliment on my knowledge of the game :) but then again you don't know me :D

[Peadar]

but then again you don't know me :D

I know you and I know you were asking me what happened for certain incidents during the game in question. ;)

[NY Hoop]

Pete said they decisions were "harsh."
He didn't say they were unjust.

Can you not see the difference?
I've made the point more than once.

Of course I can see the difference. But getting questioned by someone who thinks our club is a joke, well, is a joke:rolleyes:

If it was your 2 players sent off for unjust and/or harsh decisions there would be absolute uproar.


KOH

[Réiteoir]

They need to have 5 sent off for the match to be abandoned (ie have fewer than 7 players on the pitch)

As for the two red cards in the above game.

First one - how late does he actually want to be? Late Tackle from behind - nowhere near the ball - definite straight red card.

Second one - why has he got the arm up there in that position in the first place - once again ball has long gone - violent conduct - if you swing your arms/elbows up there - and make contact with an opposition player's head - with the ball nowhere near the two - then you deserve to be sent off.

Both fully justifiable

[WeAreRovers]

Both fully justifiable

You forgot "because they're both Hoops and I'm a bitter little gypo" ;)

KOH

[Réiteoir]

You forgot "because they're both Hoops and I'm a bitter little gypo" ;)

KOH

:D - must have forgotten to type that - must have it set up on the Clipboard for next time

If they were both Bohs players and the same happened - then I would still say the same.

I never defended Kelly when he threw the ball at Sandvliet (iirc), or Byrne when he nearly disembowelled that Shels player at Tolka.

Those two were justifiable sendings off - same as those two in the video

;)

[bluemovie]

Bennets yellow card was also ludicrous.

I'm not going to bother talking about most of the decisions as the ref was completely clueless (big surprise - they usually are), but I'd like to see what the ref's report says about Bennett's booking. TV3 said it was for the row with Doherty, but I know we all thought at the time it was for fighting with his own player just after that. That seemed to be when the linesman reacted. Didn't he push his own man (could have been O'Donovan, not sure)? I'm not saying the ref was right to book him, but I think this is the offence Cork should be appealing about.