Next Manager... you chose!

[zerocoolie]

in all fairness instead of asking who we think should get the job i think the real question is who would want the job after that performance last night absolutely attrocious.

Sky Sports: Stapleton refused it..

RTE: Brady refused, Dunphy jokingly said yes.. :D

[raytown red]

it aint realy a dream job but lads went out of the tournement without a fight not even a chance on goal

[redgav]

i would like to see the legend aldo get the job because although he has not had much success in management he would at least put belief unlike kerr

kinda important bit ther isn't it:rolleyes:

[Kingdom]

in all fairness instead of asking who we think should get the job i think the real question is who would want the job after that performance last night absolutely attrocious.


I think the opposite. It's the perfect job for someone to come into now. Especially if the FAI pick some failed muthafcuker from across the pond. Think of the scenario,
Howard Wilkinson and Steve Cotterill applying! Ha!

Or Peter Reid applying for it, gets us to a play-off, able to say he brought us back to where we belong and then gets the first Premiership job thats comes up. Fcuk that.

[smy_eanna]

Martin o'neill.no contest..

[4tothefloor]

I'd go for Martin O'Neill, albeit grudgingly. O'Neill is just a glorified long-ball merchant as far as I'm concerned (remember, we won't have any Suttons/Hartsons to use as target men). But his motivational and organisational skills are excellent. We need a coach who will get the best out of limited players, because that is what we will be working with over the next 4 years. And based on his success with some pretty average players at Celtic, he may be the man.

Other than that I'd like to see a technical coach appointed, someone who will get us to play football and at least have a go. No more negative managers please

[Stuttgart88]

Just for the record: Hiddink only manages the Aussies on a part-time basis AFAIK, as he still coaches PSV. Great coach that he is, do we want a part-time coach?

[Green Tribe]

You'd have to change your name to "O'Neill's Tribe" then. ;)
It's the end of KT as we know her. :D

I know! eh....stay on Kerr so I don't have to change my name :o ;) I may have to come up with something more 'neutral' shortly!!!!! :mad:

[smy_eanna]

Bring in the o'neill.Fai took a cheap option wit kerr,its time to put the hand in the pocket!

[aido_b]

reckon Gerry "supersub" Peyton should be in the fray!

[finlma]

I don't think MON will take the job due to his wife being ill. George Burley definitely gets my vote.

[Hither green]

It better not be Robson. As far as considering those that just missed out previously I'd prefer Bob Paisley to Robson, and he's dead.

There's no one else around, I think we should stick with Kerr.



Roy, of course.

But there's **** all chance of that happening.

It will probably be Bryan Robson.

[pineapple stu]

To be honest, I've kind of lost faith in Kerr.

People say our team simply isn't good enough. I disagree. It's not world class, but the bottom line is we finished three points off automatic qualification. Five times in this campaign we took the lead and sat back - Israel twice, Cyprus away, Faroes at home and Switzerland away. We were steeped to get the three points from Nicosia, while we were punished three times. If we'd held on to any one of those wins, we'd be in the play-offs now. Why did the team sit back five times? You'd have to blame the manager surely? Defensive tactics - bringing off Morrison for Kavanagh with five minutes to go in Israel, Kavanagh for Keane at home against Israel, etc. If we had a manager who was a bit more attacking (McCarthy?!), I think we'd be at least in the play-offs now.

Though it's a moot point. For all Kerr's faults, he cares too much about Irish football and seems to have made an enemy in Delaney and will get the boot (although I do think the FAI were right to wait until the end of the campaign before deciding on a new contract, much as it galls me to give them any credit).

So a successor...

Anyone with a job is out. I don't see how we can afford the compensation. That rules out, among others, Robson and O'Leary.

I don't see the job being an unattractive one - someone else said that you've nothing to lose after our two worst qualifiying campaigns in nearly 20 years, and I'd agree.

O'Neill is the obvious name. Whether he'd want it though is another thing. Pros - Good Catholic lad who played GAA for Armagh in Croker (I think). Good at getting the best out of average squads. Cons - wife is ill (though part-time may suit if he does want to get back into football). Could we afford him?

Joe Kinnear is a strong possibility. Went for the job the last two times; former Irish international based (I think) in England (brownie points with the FAI); success with Wimbledon and, to a lesser extent, Luton.

Other former internationals - John Aldridge, Ronnie Whelan, Alan Kernaghan - have done reasonably well at club level with very limited resources, but probably don't have enough experience yet. Still, the same was said of McCarthy and he got the job.

McCarthy always said he'd like to return as manager. Probably the wrong time for him though as he's just getting somewhere with Sunderland (sounds like CM!).

Any big-name overseas manager is out because of cost. Scolari? Hiddink? Hitzfeld? Troussier? Get real.

Coppell and Allardyce are scary thoughts, although to give them credit, they're both doing well at the moment. Peter Reid?:eek: Don Givens?:eek: :eek: Plus they're English-based, which is what the FAI want, it seems.

Rico? Stepeh Kenny?:p

God this is depressing...:( If I were a gambler, I'd go Joe Kinnear. My personal choice if we could have whoever we want (who'd actually be interested) would be McCarthy.

[raytown red]

kinda important bit ther isn't it:rolleyes:
tell me wat success mick mccarthy or jack charlton had before takin over the only person who had success is kerr and look where he got us

[Noelys Guitar]

I Don't think O'Neill will be interested..If Villa lose against Birmingham this week the O"leary will be out the door sooner rather than later so he will probably top the list..I would have gone with Hiddink who has PROVED himself at the very top but he is unlikely to leave the kangeroos

[macdermesser]

hope Kerr is given another chance but unlikely.

Not that I supportting this idea, but it would not suprise me if they went with someone like Bobby Robson, in tandem with an ex-irish international player e.g. hughton

[Noelys Guitar]

Bobby Robson with someone like Hughton is not a bad idea and might work..He will come cheap and that will play a big part!

[harps1954]

Someone that was very interested in job the the last time - and I don't think has been mentioned yet by anyone is Kenny Dalglish. Although he would not be everyone's favourite, he is out of work at the minute but like Kinnear (when McCarthy got the job) said that he wouldn't apply for it, if the FAI wanted him they would have to make the first move. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind seeing a Dalglish/Hughton or a Dalglish/Aldridge combination taking over.

In relation to Kerr, I personally do hope that he does the right thing and steps down. I would hate to see him being pushed out the door by the FAI, but agree with a lot of people here that he has been far from a success. Coming back from the game last night, I can honestly say that the only 'high-point' of the Kerr reign was the game in Paris. Everything else was either a let-down or what was expected (i.e. beating the Faroes, Cyprus, etc.).

Only twice since 1985 have we finished outside the top two in a Qualifying campaign - the last Euro qualifers (3rd) and this World Cup (4th) campaign. We have gone backwards instead of forward and I think Kerr must take the blame for this. People will say that the last Euro qualifers weren't Kerr's fault but the fact of the matter is, had we beaten Russia in Lansdowne that day, we would have had qualified for the play-offs. We led 1-0, but sat back and the game finished 1-1. Even then we still had a chance going to Switzerland, but like last night it turned out to be a non-event.

[Stuttgart88]

I don't see Bobby Robson as a candidate. He failed to exert control over young workshy overpaid upstarts at Newcastle, hardly the credentials required to take over the current Irish squad.

Is Chris Hughton discredited by the tactical failings of this regime?

Hiddink would be THE outstanding candidate & I reckon he's only looking at the Aussie job on a short-term basis. But isn't he still at PSV anyway?

Would the FAI hire a part-timer?

Would he work for the shambles that is the FAI? At Korea he effectively revamped the whole football association & infrastructure over there. I'd like to see him try over here!

If he got the job it'd be great if he could also use his influence to get some young Irish players into the Dutch league.

O'Leary would be a decent candidate though I've gone off him as a person.

I don't think MO'N would be interested either.

Big Joe?

I'd like to see Liam Brady step up to the plate but he's too cozy in a no-pressure job at Arsenal.

[sligoman]

In the aftermath of last night's loss to Switzerland, bookmakers have been quick to lay odds on who will replace Kerr, if, as expected, he is not offered a new contract.

David O'Leary has emerged as an early favourite, with former Celtic manager Martin O'Neill also a contender. Roy Keane, who is likely to decide to hang up his international boots for the second time, is also considered among the running.

Paddy Power Betting:5/2 D O'Leary, 11/2 M O'Neill, 11/1 R Keane, 12/1 J Aldridge, 14/1 J Kinnear, 18/1 G Graham, 20/1 T Venables, 50/1 A Ferguson.

[Metrostars]

...
In relation to Kerr, I personally do hope that he does the right thing and steps down. I would hate to see him being pushed out the door by the FAI, but agree with a lot of people here that he has been far from a success. Coming back from the game last night, I can honestly say that the only 'high-point' of the Kerr reign was the game in Paris. Everything else was either a let-down or what was expected (i.e. beating the Faroes, Cyprus, etc.).




But Kerr's contract is up after this campaign, I don't know the official date. It's not a matter of pushing Kerr out, it the matter of whether the FAI chooses to renew his contract.

I would agree with Stuttgart88 about Huddink, he would be the ideal choice for me but I really think he is not going to do it. He has already committed to Austrailia for the playoff and for the World Cup if they qualify plus he is still coach of PSV. He has done wonders with PSV.

Another idea is Hitzfeld who isnt coaching right now.

[shakermaker1982]

MON is the only man for the job, the rest are a waste of time. O'Leary has done nothing to suggest he could manage a successful football team, just look at Villa this season. Bobby and Brian Robson? God help us if either one gets the nod.

PLEASE MON come back and manage us!!!!

[pineapple stu]

From Aertel:

Aertel are a disgrace. Look at their match report from last night -


The Republic of Ireland's World Cup dream is over, and now just one question remains, that surrounding the fate of manager Brian Kerr.

A match Ireland had to win to clinch a play-off place ended in yet another stalemate, and while the inquest into what has gone before will be long, it is the future that will attract the greatest debate.

After 32 months in charge, the Football Association of Ireland now face a
critical decision in whether to hand Kerr an extension to his contract, or
say goodbye to a man who has served his country well over the years.
Comments like this should wait until after a decision is made one way or the other. This is just tabloid journalism at its worst.

[holidaysong]

On the BBC website - Mark Lawrenson has warned against sacking Brian Kerr after the country's failure to qualify for the World Cup.

www.bbc.co.uk/football (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4338068.stm)

I think I agree with Lawrenson.. Is a new manager going to be any better than Kerr? Who is going to come in and shake things up?

[elroy]

I do think Kerr's tactics have being exposed to be very basic in the last couple of games, particularly last night. It wasnt far off the long balls day of Charlton but at least it worked back then.

But Im not sure there is much of an alternative out there, MON would be a good choice in my opinion, I dont think DOL would be interested just yet. Other than that no other name (Irish or UK) suggested so far is overly convincing.

From a foreign manager perspective, yes it may be a welcome change to bring in a foreign coach with alternative tactics etc however do keep in mind the example of Vogts and Scotland. If Ireland had a foreign manager and had a couple of bad results, the manager would be slated by the media as "he wouldnt be able to instill passion in the team etc etc"

The biggest problem with this team is the midfield, I looked at the prospective team for the first Euro qualfiers and we have decent players (inc those coming through) all over the field except in central midfield. As far as Im concerned thats where our biggest problem lies.

[Adrianovic]

I'm open to ideas, but as a Forest fan I cannot warn you enough about the dangers of appointing Joe Kinnear as manager. His hayday is long gone my friends, he is aloof, arrogant and has no idea about modern football management. If you thought Kerr made some bad decisions during games, then just wait to see what Kinnear would have in store.

Failing to start one of our most talented players, despite him coming on at half time and completely changing the game a number of times, was one of his favourites. Supplying the first team with free chocolate bars and doing nothing to stop the drink problem at the club were close seconds.

If I were on the FAI panel of manager selection I'd put my foot down with Venables too. One of the biggest crooks to ever be in the game and as guilty for bringing down Leeds United as Peter Risdale.

Kenny Dalglish would be a problem as most people can't understand a word he says, and he hasn't produced anything with a football team in over a decade. Unless you rate turning Newcastle from one of the most exciting teams in England, to a dour and wholly unsuccessful side as a good thing.

I'd happily have Martin O'Neill if he wanted the job in the slightest. Although he does prefer having a big man up front (so have many past Ireland managers, with some success), I believe he is tactically astute enough to make the best of an iffy bunch. Ladbrokes in England have installed him as 9/4 favourite, for what its worth.

I'd also have O'Leary or any foreign coach with a reputation, if the FAI decided to go all out and try and start qualifying for tournament. Gus Hiddink appeals to me, and I think Ireland would appeal to him, as travelling halfway across the World to manage a team against American Samoa can't be ideal for him.

Ade

[thejollyrodger]

E Dunphy 250 - 1:D HA

[thejollyrodger]

I dont really think Kerr should go... the simple fact of the matter is that we dont have the players. Jack and Mick were far luckier than Kerr and everyone HAS to accept that !!

[Fergie's Son]

You make your own luck.

Israel at home in June was what did it for me.

[Schumi]

An utterly depressing list of candidates on this thread: Dave O'Leary, Sam Allerdice, Joe Kinnear, Brian Robson, John Aldridge, Alan Kernaghan. Awful stuff. Are any of these jokers a better option than Kerr? Martin O'Neill might do a job but I can't see him taking it.

[fergalr]

What we need is an non-English manager with premiership experience. How's about a man who got his team into the CL twice and once to the CL semi-final, who is great with the press, and whose tactics and substitutions give you plenty to talk about in the pub afterwards. And who is currently available for employment?

Step forward Claudio Ranieri.

[pineapple stu]

And who the FAI couldn't possibly afford.

[Marked Man]

Aertel are a disgrace. Look at their match report from last night -

Originally Posted by Aertel
The Republic of Ireland's World Cup dream is over, and now just one question remains, that surrounding the fate of manager Brian Kerr.

A match Ireland had to win to clinch a play-off place ended in yet another stalemate, and while the inquest into what has gone before will be long, it is the future that will attract the greatest debate.

After 32 months in charge, the Football Association of Ireland now face a
critical decision in whether to hand Kerr an extension to his contract, or
say goodbye to a man who has served his country well over the years.
Comments like this should wait until after a decision is made one way or the other. This is just tabloid journalism at its worst.

Now I'm up for slagging off the media as much as the next man, but what exactly is wrong with this? It was a match Ireland had to win, there will be an inquest (or at least there should be), he did have 32 months in charge, and the choice is whether to extend his contract or not. What's the problem?

[Conor H]

Martin O Neill.:cool:

[Qwerty]

O'Neill is just a glorified long-ball merchant as far as I'm concerned

That is what we should be aspiring to! What I wouldn't give to see Quinn or Cas in their prime again. We are not Holland, the players we have at our disposal are not comfortable on the ball, take too many touches etc. We have to keep it simple and cut our cloth to our measure. Forget the "express yourself" bullsh1t.

[Adrianovic]

I dread to think what would happen if Kavanagh and Kilbane were told to 'express yourself' in the middle of the park.

I agree that we should just play however it best suits our game. As we don't play very often, and we don't technically have season ticket holders, results really are more important than style.

Ade

[Fergie's Son]

I'll be in my 40's before we qualify again.


This is depressing.

[finlma]

Dave O'Leary has ruled himself out of the running.

[Stuttgart88]

Liam Brady is the best of the Irish candidates in my view.

Unsuccessful at Celtic, albeit on a budget (he bought Wayne Biggins!), but they played tremendous football and he'd have the respect of the dressing room. It's just possible he may be able to do it alongside his Arsenal sinecure.

With regards to Kerr, sadly the biggest disappointment in my view is the lack of faith he seemingly had in players like Steven Reid & Alan Quinn and the perpetual faith he showed in others. I really think he should have laid down the law to Liam Miller during the summer: play first team football or you're not in the squad. I hope the fact that both are represented by Drury is not a factor here.

Even the 30 mins that Steven Reid got in the last 7 days showed us that he had plenty to offer yet he barely featured in any friendly squad for over a year. The "successful" friendly campaigns may have helped confidence at one stage but Kerr hardly ever set out to learn anything from the stream of friendly matches we played. I can barely think of any player who can say he cut his teeth in friendlies whereas under Mick, players like Dunne were able to come into the side in Amsterdam having played 3 US Cup games months earlier. I also think he's been slow to drop out of form players and slow to recognise within games when players need replacing. I thought Reid for Reid should have been made much earlier on Wednesday for example. I also think he should have been bolder and played Elliott, Keane AND Morrisson for the last 25 mins, with S. Reid, Holland & Kilbane playing a narrow but strong central midfield. We needed a goal didn't we?


I feel sorry for Kerr for being in the spotlight under adverse circumstances but, on top of the above, I think it's obvious this group of players just hasn't responded well to his style. Maybe the fact that this is the first generation of young millionaire Irish footballers has something to do with it, but if that's the unfortunate case then it's something that must be allowed for in the type of manager we have.

Thanks for the hard work Brian & I hope you can still contribute to Irish soccer.

[Lionel Ritchie]

What we need is an non-English manager with premiership experience. How's about a man who got his team into the CL twice and once to the CL semi-final, who is great with the press, and whose tactics and substitutions give you plenty to talk about in the pub afterwards. And who is currently available for employment?

Step forward Claudio Ranieri.

I mentioned him elsewhere too Fergal. I reckon he could be an excellent choice. Keep on Chris Hughton as his assistant maybe?

[Stuttgart88]

Keep on Chris Hughton as his assistant maybe? Has Hughton emerged from the Kerr era so far with his reputation intact? Did Hughton not see that Morrisson was shagged out in Tel Aviv? Could Hughton not have suggested Elliott to replace Robbie against Israel at home? And so on...

I've asked this about a dozen times before and nobody has seen fit to respond: exactly what input did Huighton have in the last 3 years? Obedient servant to Kerr, doing what he's told & no more, or was he instrumental in the tactical deciusions & the style of play etc.?

[dublinred]

Bobby Robson has been mentioned in the press overhere , would be cheap and we did ok with the last senile geordie we had , reckon he would have Andy Townsend as his assisitant.

[Stuttgart88]

Step forward Claudio Ranieri.
His mum will be happy. He'd be reunited with Duff.

[Cowboy]

Is Mike Bassett available? :)

[gaf1983]

Would love to see Sam Allardyce get the job, dunno if hed take it though.

has experience managing in Ireland and has done wonders with Bolton.

[lamonti]

Would I be right in saying that even if the FAI do not renew Kerr's contract, as is quite possible, the may not select a new permanent candidate until before the next qualifying campaign - i.e. after world cup 2006. The managerial scene could be very different at that stage with many experienced international managers leaving after the world cup. Also Martin O'Neill's personal situation may be different then, or Guus Hiddink (an unlikely dream candidate) could have parted ways with the Aussies, perhaps even sooner, if they don't beat Uruguay. Perhaps a caretaker boss on trial for the likely friendlies we'll be having against World Cup bound nations.

[pineapple stu]

Now I'm up for slagging off the media as much as the next man, but what exactly is wrong with this? It was a match Ireland had to win, there will be an inquest (or at least there should be), he did have 32 months in charge, and the choice is whether to extend his contract or not. What's the problem?
My point is that that's the entire match report. Not a single word on the actual match - just straight into Kerr-bashing and speculation.

[Marked Man]

My point is that that's the entire match report. Not a single word on the actual match - just straight into Kerr-bashing and speculation.

How is it Kerr bashing? I know a lot of that has gone on lately, but I can't see it in the aertel report you quote.

[Colm]

Either keep Kerr or appoint Pat Dolan or even Steven Kenny.

As long as it's not some premiersh!t reject we should be ok.

[redgav]

Either keep Kerr or appoint Pat Dolan or even Steven Kenny.

As long as it's not some premiersh!t reject we should be ok.

One of the problems within this squad was that some players had no respect for kerr , you seriously Dolan or kenny will rectify that ...