View Full Version : Unions - The Root Of All Evil?
Im really surprised at this thread.
Unions IMO are more important than ever in Ireland, proper planing of National Agreements and sticking to their word is one of the great reasons why were doing so well.
Sure some Unions do a lot of stuff thats pretty shoddy* but Christ even Fianna Fáil have been know to make mistakes from time to time:p . Throwing money at the "Labour" Party is another gripe I'd have with them but in general they stop Ireland from becoming one very big Irish Ferries Ship.
Divide and Conqure and all...
*Heard a great story about An Post for example from a friend who works there. Every day in Dublin one out of every four workers is on one days sick leave, all organised by...someone;)
*Heard a great story about An Post for example from a friend who works there. Every day in Dublin one out of every four workers is on one days sick leave, all organised by...someone;)
Did he tell you that there are nearly 600 vacancies for various jobs which are not being filled?
Or that the senior management in the company has made it as difficult as possible for the unions to discuss anything with them?
Did he tell you that there are nearly 600 vacancies for various jobs which are not being filled?
Or that the senior management in the company has made it as difficult as possible for the unions to discuss anything with them?
Ah Pat remember your good leftist values, two wrongs do not a right make.
He does reckon that the industrial relations in the gaff is a constant ticking time bomb alright
Ah Pat remember your good leftist values, two wrongs do not a right make.
He does reckon that the industrial relations in the gaff is a constant ticking time bomb alright
Judging by the shíte their press officer comes out with.... And the fact that it was management that lead them into the mess in the first place. And the fact they haven't had wage increases that they've been due for years...
All the semi state companies have appauling IR departments, it isn't restricted to An Post.
WeAreRovers
13/10/2005, 2:29 PM
Judging by the shíte their press officer comes out with.... And the fact that it was management that lead them into the mess in the first place. And the fact they haven't had wage increases that they've been due for years...
All the semi state companies have appauling IR departments, it isn't restricted to An Post.
:D
One of the lads in my office is leaving to be....................Press Officer for An Post. Mind you, he's well able for it. I keep telling him horror stories from my mates who work there and he's not bothered. Could be something to do with being your genuine West Ham supporting Cockernee.
KOH
Peadar
13/10/2005, 2:40 PM
And the fact they haven't had wage increases that they've been due for years...
I love the way public sector workers go on about the money they're owed. I've worked in many departments between Britain and Ireland where the technical staff are so incompetent, we've had to break our backs to implement new systems for them. On the days that they haven't taken as a flexi, they come in around 10.00 and leave around 16.30. We're expected to work with them even though they're available for half the day. Then they expect another pay rise because they've had to learn a new skill.
It stinks to high heaven!
I think government departments should be largely outsourced so that they attain some level of acceptable efficiency and become more cost effective.
By the way, all our public sector contracts have finished on time and within budget.
We don’t have a union but we do have line managers and a HR department who listen to us. Our salaries are performance based and our level or professionalism and productivity reflects that. Why? Because we know that if we screw up we don’t have a union to bail us out. I’m 8 years in this job and have never once been left down by my company. We get plenty benefits, including 3 paid days off for guys if your partner has a baby. There’s give and take in our company, it’s all about mutual respect.
It isn't extra money I'm talking about, it's the standard sustaining progress awards that everyone should've got. Only thing fooking up an post is management - can't blame staff when a company goes from massive profit to massive loss in just a couple of years.
On flexi - well that's their hours. Not a civil or public servants fault that your company has signed a contract to implement something in a certain timescale. Must have terrible people handling your tenders if they don't factor that in at this stage. Or maybe you just have no way of communicating that to them effectively, without a union
I was watching Q&A on monday when some guy (think civil servant) in the audience suggested that 50% of software projects are overbudget & 25% fail - this was cited as industry practice to hide the failings of the PPARS project. If that was the case there would be no software industry.
I've heard first hand stories of ICTU staff being shafted of flexi leave for travel days so unions just as bad as any employer.
I still haven't heard a good reason to keep unions or why they think they can negotiate for me in National Pay Agreements. I elect TDs to do that for me. There are more people without union representation in this country than are.
A slight exageration on the times there by peader. CS expects you to do 35 hour week (or 9-5 with an hours lunch) Pretty standard in all office based jobs I'd imagine.
A friend of mine was union rep in an post for a while. He'd be more militant than most but he reckons "its not as bad as it was..."
WeAreRovers
13/10/2005, 3:10 PM
I still haven't heard a good reason to keep unions or why they think they can negotiate for me in National Pay Agreements. I elect TDs to do that for me. There are more people without union representation in this country than are.
Go back and read Patsh's post. Read it out loud if that helps. :rolleyes:
KOH
Peadar
13/10/2005, 3:24 PM
Must have terrible people handling your tenders if they don't factor that in at this stage. Or maybe you just have no way of communicating that to them effectively, without a union
It's hard to factor it in when these guys just decide they're not coming in until later on that morning.
Dodge, you can't deny that they come in at 10.00
It was impossible to get hold of anyone outside of 10.00 and 16.30
Luckily we took total control of the project on a technical level.
That's what kept the thing on schedule.
Green Tribe
13/10/2005, 3:40 PM
Peadar you're on here all day, I'm surprised anything gets done!!! :D :D ;)
Some come at 10 Peader, others (like me) come in at 8. Your post says that "when they're not taking flexi days", I was just making the point that in order to fill the required amount, anyone who comes in at 10, would have to stay until roughly 6 (with an hourslunch). If they wanted to have a day off (for working 7 hours over their required time) they'd have to stay longer, or have shorter breaks. So yeah, you did exaggerate a little...
Peadar
13/10/2005, 3:47 PM
Peadar you're on here all day, I'm surprised anything gets done!!! :D :D ;)
You'll also notice that I wont get a response from the PS lads because they're all gone home since 16.30
By the way KT, computers is my job.
Green Tribe
13/10/2005, 3:50 PM
You'll also notice that I wont get a response from the PS lads because they're all gone home since 16.30
By the way KT, computers is my job.
Snigger...maybe but not foot.ie ;)
not saying anymore, you're going to get all grouchy on me! How is Dublin treating you anyway?
You'll also notice that I wont get a response from the PS lads because they're all gone home since 16.30
By the way KT, computers is my job.
Not sure if you're including me in that but... I f***ing wish....
You'll also notice that I wont get a response from the PS lads because they're all gone home since 16.30
Must be all those people doing 10-4 days :rolleyes:
I was in work at 7.30 yesterday - so what exactly is the problem with me going at half 4? :confused:
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