How long has Mick McCarthy got ? [Archive]

OwlsFan

02/09/2005, 1:41 PM

The knives are starting to come out for Mick:

http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=505&fid=240&sty=2&act=1&mid=2139125321

Away to Chelsea is the next Sunderland game (hard to see the defeat sequence being broken there but who knows - might be worth a pop at 20-1 or whatever the odds are) but unless the Black Cats get points on the Board soon (maybe next 3 games) I regret Mick might be shown the door.

I think once they break that sequence they can kick on. Portsmouth, Wigan and West Ham for the drop.

tetsujin1979

02/09/2005, 2:06 PM

Mick took a team hamstrung by crap signings, and finanacial mismanagement, brought in the players he could afford after having to sell the majority of the team that was there, and won the Championship in 2 seasons. Not many managers could do this. The teams that have been relegated over the past 2-3 seasons have been able to hang onto most of their big players (Ashton at Norwich, Johnson at Palace, West Brom kept their entire team the last time they got releagated). Sunderland are back to the Premiership and (relative) financial stability, even if they do get relegated I can't see him getting sacked.

OwlsFan

02/09/2005, 2:48 PM

Hope you're right but fans and managers have short memories.

pineapple stu

03/09/2005, 12:22 AM

I think the chairman has given his feck all funds to survive in the Premier - he's effectively looking for the season to pay off as much of their debts as possible and then build from next year. In that case, he should be safe.

superfrank

11/09/2005, 3:29 PM

Watching them yesterday they looked kinda lost on the pitch. Maybe it was Chelsea but they looked very easy to open up.

I never liked Mick though, I've always disliked him. But don't get me wrong I dislike Keano too.

pete

12/09/2005, 10:25 AM

Think he did very good job to get promotion but still released experienced players as clearly doesn't have much of a wage or transfer bill.

They've already played Chelsea & Liverpool away so no hope of points there although i'm sure they expected something from Wigan game.

Team looks like collection of has-beens & young inexperienced players. Would be suicide for Sunderland to sack McCarthy.

OwlsFan

18/09/2005, 8:44 AM

Memories of Macedonia as WBA score a last gasp equaliser from a corner against Sunderland. I really feel for the guy.

Didn't see it - hope Breen didn't lose his man like he did in Macedonia.

superfrank

18/09/2005, 12:31 PM

Your man who got it got in between two lads for it.

tetsujin1979

18/09/2005, 3:09 PM

total sickener, you've got to feel for the guy after that.
Probably his best chance of a win for a while, next 2 games are boro away and west ham at home before the october break for internationals.

OwlsFan

19/09/2005, 9:24 AM

Boro - local derby and not world beaters. Chance there and West Ham's bubble will burst :D soon (get there before the Sun banner writers do).

superfrank

19/09/2005, 4:00 PM

I just found this (http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=19185) on eleven-a-side.

NeilMcD

19/09/2005, 5:20 PM

I think to be fair to him he is been found out at this level. Nice guys dont become winners I think and this certainly fits the bill here. It says it all that they finished well above West Ham last year as West Ham players behaved like Premiership players and got beaten as a result in the lower league. Now they are in the big time there style of football suits the Premiership whereas Sunderlands work horses are exposed and Breen and Stubbs are terrible as a centre back partnership.

OwlsFan

25/09/2005, 6:00 PM

Delighted to see the Sunderland run without winning a game in the Premiership come to an end. I said there was a good chance in a previous post that they'd win that and with a game against West Ham next could be 2 on the trot. Nice to hear the fans chanting his name.

thejollyrodger

25/09/2005, 7:12 PM

No goal by Elliott so maybe everyone should put that one to bed (him playing up front for uz) for a while. Personally I dont care where Mick finishes but i just hope the Irish lads stay up for EPL football next season.

superfrank

26/09/2005, 4:28 PM

superfrank

26/09/2005, 4:29 PM

No goal by Elliott so maybe everyone should put that one to bed (him playing up front for uz) for a while.
Finally, someone who agrees with me!!

NeilMcD

27/09/2005, 1:39 PM

I thought Elliot played well for Sunderland and he won the free kick that set up the 2nd goal too. It was a lovely touch past Southgate so I would have no problem him playing against Cyprus. Maybe himself and Keane woudl be a little too light though as a front pairing. Mick is in no danger at Sunderland as even if they go down he will keep his job there. He is a hero up in Sunderland as far as I can see.

Stuttgart88

27/09/2005, 2:15 PM

No goal by Elliott so maybe everyone should put that one to bed (him playing up front for uz) for a while.
As everyone predicted at the start of the season he's finding it tough because he's in a team that has to work really hard to get possession, let alone make any chances. Elliott has almost been playing wide right at times too. He's barely had a chance to miss this season.

But in an Ireland team against Cyprus he'd have more opportunity. He had an awful first 45 in Faroes but played great in the second. I remember one run when he ran at 3 or 4 defenders only for the 'keeper to make a good one-handed save which I thought was something we lack even from our first choice strikers, and he was unlucky not to score with his first touch against Italy.

I'd have no worries playing him against Cyprus. I'd certainly prefer it to playing Duff upfront again. If Kerr doesn't go with Duff, it'll presumably be either Elliott or Connolly and I've a personal preference for Elliott. It's hard to contend that Connolly is on better form with one Premiership goal.

zinedineontour

27/09/2005, 3:35 PM

I think the people that are slagging off elliott here obviously havent watched the games he has played for sunderland .. against boro on sunday only the second game he started in a 4-4-2 up front he was excellent . chased everything and worked his arse off .. Its not like in the championship now he is feeding on scraps but doing very well .. At this stage it should deffo be elliott and robbie against cyprus where he will be playing against a dodgy enough defence ...

OwlsFan

27/09/2005, 4:56 PM

Agreed.

OwlsFan

02/01/2006, 9:19 AM

Yet another last minute goal conceded by Mick's team :eek: . Anyone see him at the end of the Everton game - just standing stunned looking at the pitch. Moyes cames from behind and offered his his hand and Mick was barely aware of his existence.

Plastic Paddy

02/01/2006, 9:30 AM

trevy

02/01/2006, 9:33 AM

I feel sorry for Sunderland.They've only 6 points from 19 games:eek: and left in another last minute goal.It looks like they could in trouble to beat the lowest points total they set the last time they were relegated from the Premiership.

twoenz

02/01/2006, 12:37 PM

According to one of the Sunday's they've been sounding out Keegan for a return to football.

You have to feel for McCarthy, but his position is getting untenable to say the least. They have the worst squad that's ever been assembled in the Premier League. There's no point in spending during the window as the team's doomed, but when you sit the team down and say this how are they meant to feel? It's a no win situation.

De Town

02/01/2006, 2:18 PM

I don't feel one bit sorry for McCarthy. I'm delighted for him TBH. Hope they lose every game they've got left.

Clifford

02/01/2006, 3:04 PM

I don't blame McCarthy for Sunderland's predicament - they punched well above their weight in obtaining promotion last season. This time around, the old adage springs to mind; you can't polish a turd. Not even Mourinho would have been able to keep them from relegation this year IMHO.

:ball: PP

Absolutely spot on. Amazing job to get them up, should be kept in the job and start re-building for next season in the Championship, a la WBA, Charlton, Man City and many others - bounce back stronger for the experience.

twoenz

02/01/2006, 3:25 PM

Absolutely spot on. Amazing job to get them up, should be kept in the job and start re-building for next season in the Championship, a la WBA, Charlton, Man City and many others - bounce back stronger for the experience.

But would you not agree that those clubs had much stronger foundations to build upon? Sunderland, although winning at the minute have nothing really to shout about this season at all.

sligoman

02/01/2006, 4:07 PM

I don't feel one bit sorry for McCarthy. I'm delighted for him TBH. Hope they lose every game they've got left.I like your style of thinking:).

Another defeat for Sunderland today:

Fulham 2-1 Sunderland
John 43,61-Lawrence 7
-----------Caldwell s/o 57

See ya Mick, have a nice life!:D.

De Town

02/01/2006, 4:22 PM

I like your style of thinking:).

Another defeat for Sunderland today:

Fulham 2-1 Sunderland
John 43,61-Lawrence 7
-----------Caldwell s/o 57

See ya Mick, have a nice life!:D.
Thats him gone I'd say. Delighted for him :)

Former Waherfur Utd striker Daryl Murphy got 30 minutes or so for all the eL fans that might be interested.

pineapple stu

02/01/2006, 7:20 PM

But would you not agree that those clubs had much stronger foundations to build upon? Sunderland, although winning at the minute have nothing really to shout about this season at all.
I assume they've still got massive debts, which a season in the Premiership would take a big bite into, so they'd be much more able to build next year.

Think it's quite sad that, three years after he left the Ireland job, people still actively want to see him lose...

M@ttitude

02/01/2006, 9:51 PM

I like your style of thinking:).

Another defeat for Sunderland today:

See ya Mick, have a nice life!:D.
I think thats a pity, Mick should be at least respected by fans of the Irish national team.

Superhoops

02/01/2006, 10:14 PM

I think thats a pity, Mick should be at least respected by fans of the Irish national team.
Agree. Mick was a great servant to Irish football both as a player and a manager. Cannot understand why anyone would want to see him fail, apart from those who, for some reason that I will never understand, thought that in Saipan RMK was right and Mick was wrong!

sligoman

02/01/2006, 10:58 PM

apart from those who, for some reason that I will never understand, thought that in Saipan RMK was right and Mick was wrong!I am one of "those":), and I will never understand how people think Roy was wrong and Mick was right. See, it works both ways!;).

De Town

03/01/2006, 12:08 AM

I am one of "those":), and I will never understand how people think Roy was wrong and Mick was right. See, it works both ways!;).
I am also one of "those":)

Plastic Paddy

03/01/2006, 6:59 AM

See ya Mick, have a nice life!

Thats him gone I'd say. Delighted for him :)

Just the kind of responses I'd expect from a couple of kids. No offence, lads, but when you grow up a bit you'll hopefully learn to view Saipan and its aftermath in proper proportion. No, we didn't win the World Cup last time out but time moves on and - when all's said and done - it's only a game we're talking about. Lose the bitterness; life's just too short.

:ball: PP

Macy

03/01/2006, 7:29 AM

Think it's clear where I stood on Saipan, but not really interested in bashing McCarthy over this as I still do respect what he did as a player (as oppossed to what he did as manager).

However, I am delighted for elements of the English press that used Saipan to have another pop at the Irish. They just entrenched the situation further, and have to laugh at their efforts to exonerate McCarthy of any responsibility now just so they can keep the pretence that they were right all along.

OwlsFan

03/01/2006, 9:25 AM

I too am confused. What exactly did Mick do wrong in Saipan ? He wasn't responsible for the gear turning up a day late or the pitch being bumpy. His star player then was going home in a huff but changed his mind and then went to the press to attack him and others. They had a clear the air meeting with the team and Mick dared to criticise Keane got the most vitriolic personal attack from the team captain in return. And before anyone says the criticism of Keane should have been in private, wasn't it the latter who went on Man U TV and attacked his fellow players :eek: Keane had to be sent home - it couldn't be any other way.

I wasn't McCarthy's biggest fan as a manager and some of his decisions irritated the hell out of me but he gave the job 100% and qualified us for a World Cup in Korea/Japan and we acquited ourselves well there without our best player. I don't understand how any genuine Irish supporter could wish him ill at Sunderland

Macy

03/01/2006, 9:53 AM

I don't want to get in the Saipan thing again, it's been done to death.

However, I don't think McCarthy himself has tried to pass the buck on the facilities in Saipan - it was whether they were adequate or not that was the issue.

pineapple stu

03/01/2006, 12:26 PM

However, I don't think McCarthy himself has tried to pass the buck on the facilities in Saipan - it was whether they were adequate or not that was the issue.
"Adequate for what" was the issue, though. It was never intended as the base training camp - it was intended as a place to get away from it all for couple of days, have a break, charge the batteries and then start the serious training. The training camp in Japan was superb. Saipan was grand for what it was supposed to be.

Macy

03/01/2006, 12:50 PM

"Adequate for what" was the issue, though. It was never intended as the base training camp - it was intended as a place to get away from it all for couple of days, have a break, charge the batteries and then start the serious training. The training camp in Japan was superb. Saipan was grand for what it was supposed to be.
Well that depends on where you are on the arguement, which I didn't want to get into. Owlsfan said McCarthy wasn't responsible for the training pitch or training gear - it's clear he was responsible. That's as far as I'll go on this, as I really don't want to get into this debate again, so I'm not. :)

NeilMcD

03/01/2006, 1:11 PM

Just ask Steve Finnans ankle, what is adequate.

ThatGuy

03/01/2006, 2:07 PM

Why would anyone want McCarthy to fail? I don't understand. No matter what you think of the Keane-situation.

sligoman

03/01/2006, 3:48 PM

Just the kind of responses I'd expect from a couple of kids. No offence, lads, but when you grow up a bit you'll hopefully learn to view Saipan and its aftermath in proper proportion. No, we didn't win the World Cup last time out but time moves on and - when all's said and done - it's only a game we're talking about. Lose the bitterness; life's just too short.

:ball: PPCouple of kids? PP you don't know me at all so don't call me a kid:rolleyes:. I have no problem with Mick as a person(I don't know him so), or as a player, the problem I have is with his managing. I'm sure their are some mangers you dislike for whatever reason, does this mean you are a child too?:rolleyes:.

OwlsFan

03/01/2006, 4:34 PM

The interesting question is whether McCarthy was ultimately responsible for the poor training pitch. He had delegated looking after the facilities to Ray Tracey, an ex soccer international and tour operator. I am not sure he could have done much more as he no doubt had 101 other things on his mind.

In any event, it has now been shown under the Kerr regime that 100% perfect facilities and preparation doth not maketh the team.

I am still amazed that the Sunderland Board has shown such patience. Many a manager (e.g. Gary Megson) has got a team promoted to be shown the door after failing in the top flight. It must be particularly galling with Wigan and West Ham going so well.

OwlsFan

03/01/2006, 4:36 PM

Just ask Steve Finnans ankle, what is adequate.

A talking ankle :eek: !! Now that would be interesting.

Plastic Paddy

03/01/2006, 7:00 PM

Couple of kids? PP you don't know me at all so don't call me a kid:rolleyes:. I have no problem with Mick as a person(I don't know him so), or as a player, the problem I have is with his managing. I'm sure their are some mangers you dislike for whatever reason, does this mean you are a child too?:rolleyes:.

Your profile states that you're 17 years of age. Your comment was one I'd expect from a callow yoot. You can have no complaints.

:ball: PP

De Town

04/01/2006, 12:23 AM

M@ttitude

04/01/2006, 12:27 AM

Please don't slag my/our age.

I don't like McCarthy. End of.

:ball:
Please don't slag my/our ex manager/player.

I like McCarthy. End of.

Plastic Paddy

04/01/2006, 6:53 AM

Please don't slag my/our age.

Read my post correctly. It was the quality and direction of your post and not your age that I called into question. It's not a crime being young, after all. (fond memories... sigh... :( ;) )

:ball: PP

Macy

04/01/2006, 6:58 AM