Kasey McAteer AM Leicester b.2001

[EalingGreen]

Given we're in the Ireland forum talking about the Ireland team I would have said it was fairly clear what Irish meant. If I wanted to include players who played for the north I would have specified that.

On a similar note the team branding on FAI socials is interesting these days. You very rarely see the word Republic in use of late. A quick search on Twitter shows that the last use of "Republic of Ireland" in the text of an FA Ireland or Ireland Football account tweet was last year. Squad announcements are always issued as Ireland. It seems to be a conscious decision and is great to see.So are you going to tell Gerry Taggart or Neil Lennon that they aren't "Irish" then?

I'd pay good money to see that! :)

"North Men, South Men, Comrades All"

[tetsujin1979]

You've already been told to knock it off EG.

[Eirambler]

So are you going to tell Gerry Taggart or Neil Lennon that they aren't "Irish" then?

I'd pay good money to see that! :)

"North Men, South Men, Comrades All"

They didn't play for Ireland, so in the context of international football (which this discussion and forum relates to) they're not, no. I'm not passing any comment on their wider sense of nationality.

[samhaydenjr]

Made his first Premier League appearance in a while for Leicester, coming on as a sub in their latest beating. I think that now makes him the Irish player with the most ever Premier League appearances for Leicester, although that isn't a particularly high bar to clear.

In terms of Republic of Ireland international players, it actually depends on whether you include the Premier league appearance he made a few years ago when he was still an English player. If not, then his twelve games this season bring him level with Brian Carey.

[tetsujin1979]

I've been down that path, and it'll drive you nuts. Do Callum Robinson's appearances before his declaration for Ireland count as being by an Irish player? Or David McGoldrick? Or Clinton Morrison?
What about players who have changed allegiances from the national side? Do their appearances before changing count as being by an Irish player, even though they're currently lining out for another country?
If you really want to drive yourself demented, consider the scenario where someone played for Ireland at underage level, then appeared in a friendly for another country, and then went back playing for Ireland? Which of their senior club appearances count?

In the end, the only way I could agree on was that, once a player's international alignment is with the national team, then all their appearances count as being Irish. If that changes, then those appearances are invalid.

This actually came up recently while I was researching a stat. Recent U21 call up Jack Moorhouse was named as a substitute for Manchester United against Arsenal and Spurs. If he had come on in either game, would it count as an appearance by an Irish player, given that both games were before his U21 call up, and his only involvement with the national side before that was an U19 training camp? If it does count, then is the last Irish player to appear for United before him Will Keane, who played in an FA Cup game against Shrewsbury in February 2016, while still an English player, or Robbie Brady who made a single appearance for United in the League Cup in September 2012?

[seanfhear]

Next, we will be counting farts ? !

[Eirambler]

In the end, the only way I could agree on was that, once a player's international alignment is with the national team, then all their appearances count as being Irish. If that changes, then those appearances are invalid.



That's how I would count it too - based on the last nation they end up with if they switch.

[samhaydenjr]

I've been down that path, and it'll drive you nuts. Do Callum Robinson's appearances before his declaration for Ireland count as being by an Irish player? Or David McGoldrick? Or Clinton Morrison?
What about players who have changed allegiances from the national side? Do their appearances before changing count as being by an Irish player, even though they're currently lining out for another country?
If you really want to drive yourself demented, consider the scenario where someone played for Ireland at underage level, then appeared in a friendly for another country, and then went back playing for Ireland? Which of their senior club appearances count?

In the end, the only way I could agree on was that, once a player's international alignment is with the national team, then all their appearances count as being Irish. If that changes, then those appearances are invalid.

This actually came up recently while I was researching a stat. Recent U21 call up Jack Moorhouse was named as a substitute for Manchester United against Arsenal and Spurs. If he had come on in either game, would it count as an appearance by an Irish player, given that both games were before his U21 call up, and his only involvement with the national side before that was an U19 training camp? If it does count, then is the last Irish player to appear for United before him Will Keane, who played in an FA Cup game against Shrewsbury in February 2016, while still an English player, or Robbie Brady who made a single appearance for United in the League Cup in September 2012?

Don"t worry, Tets, I won't go mad thinking about it! It only came up when I was checking for Republic of Ireland players who might have played more Premier league games for Leicester than McAteer and found that Carey played exactly the same number of times as McAteer has this season, which I thought was a cool coincidence, only to find that McAteer played one game a few seasons ago, before he switched.

So I'm sure McAteer will break the record for EPL appearances by an Irish International soon - although based on the fact that he has only played 390 minutes in those 12 appearances, it's still possible that Carey might still hold the record for most Premier league football played for Leicester by an Irish International

[Eirambler]

I see Leicester used a 15 year old winger off the bench at the weekend, McAteer not in the matchday squad. Is he injured, or was the 15 year old preferred to him?

[John83]

He's not injured. Van Nistelrooy has accepted they're toast this season, and is looking at some kids. Possibly he's considering the options in the event of a fire sale, but they also have a couple of pretty good teenagers who they might as well assess now as in games they'll need to win next year.

[elatedscum]

Sure he's not injured? the last two times he missed 4 games, it was confirmed as an injury when he was returning. played 8 mins off the bench and then out again. i'd bet it was a recurrence of the same injury.

Van Nistelrooy's quote when they rejected bids from Sunderland for him in Jan/Feb: "Selling Kasey was impossible. He’s a very important part of our survival bid. He’s done great things for us on the wings."

[John83]

I checked premierinjuries.com and the Leicster Mercury. Both suggested he's available. Of course, he may not yet be 100% after a recent injury.

[~YTM~]

He's not injured. Van Nistelrooy has accepted they're toast this season, and is looking at some kids. Possibly he's considering the options in the event of a fire sale, but they also have a couple of pretty good teenagers who they might as well assess now as in games they'll need to win next year.

What he should be considering is his options for a new job. I'd be shocked if Leicester kept him on next season. Current owners seem to have no interest in the club the way his father did.

Think they'll also be hit with a points deduction once back in the championship. Can see Leicester spending some time in the lower leagues.

[CraftyToePoke]

Van Nistelrooy has accepted they're toast this season, and is looking at some kids

More a case of RVN having toasted them I'd say. Four points outside the drop zone when he got the job & have just set a new record winless streak with a record goalless streak bolted onto that. Southampton could catch them, they're that bad under him.
McAteer is fit I think, just not making the cut which isn't a great sign of him but again, RVN isn't much of a judge of these things by the looks of it.

[pineapple stu]

More a case of RVN having toasted them I'd say. Four points outside the drop zone when he got the job & have just set a new record winless streak.
Beating the previous record which had lasted all of two months

Seven defeats on the bounce, a win against Spurs, eight defeats on the bounce (and counting). No goals in those eight games as you say

Hard not to think RVN is slightly to blame alright. There's too much at stake to give up on al survival halfway through a season

[CraftyToePoke]

Hard not to think RVN is slightly to blame alright.

It was far from healthy when he got there, five year contract to Brendan Rodgers to with grand plans on the field & stadium expansion going through planning. That culminated in Rodgers being given nothing to spend in his final three transfer windows, such a mess was he making of it all & somehow ending up relegated anyway after finally sacking him.

Got back up, manager goes to Chelsea, new guy has them in sixteenth and four points clear, but no, that wouldn't do, so in comes RVN who has been unbelievably terrible, record setting uselessness & Dutch arrogance about it all. There's a DOF in the mix too who has overseen this catastrophe to an extent the fans are flying a little airplane over the stadium soon with a banner asking everyone involved to please leave.

Oh & a pushing 40 Jamie Vardy is still all they really have by way of troubling opposition keepers & no longer does. Its top down calamity with RVN the record setting icing on a relegation they won't be bouncing back up from.

I guess, in summation, if McAteer can get out of there he really should trot away lively. They turned down a Sunderland offer in January for him.

[pineapple stu]

Oh & a pushing 40 Jamie Vardy is still all they really have by way of troubling opposition keepers & no longer does.
Fair dues to Vardy btw - still their top scorer this season with a vaguely respectable 8.

Obviously it's disastrous for Leicester that he's their top scorer (next is 5). But always nice to see the aul fellas doing ok at the top.

(Eight home games without a goal is another top-flight record, I see)

Not sure what it says about McAteer that he can't get make any impression in this basket case of a season though.

[CraftyToePoke]

a new record winless streak with a record goalless streak bolted onto that


(Eight home games without a goal is another top-flight record, I see)

You don't say, Pineappler ;)

[pineapple stu]

Whoops!

There's just too much crappiness coming out of them at the moment to keep track of it all - apologies! :o

[Eirambler]

McAteer back in the starting team and finally a result for Leicester - a draw away at Brighton. He had a good game, was one of Leicester's best players. Big change from being left out for a kid during the week. RVN seems to have absolutely no idea what he's doing but hopefully McAteer can get a run in the team for the rest of the season now.

[elatedscum]

I still strongly suspect he was injured even if it wasn’t reported. A few days ago, I went through the vids that the club post of their training the last few weeks and as far as I could see he wasn’t training until this week.

[seanfhear]

I still strongly suspect he was injured even if it wasn’t reported. A few days ago, I went through the vids that the club post of their training the last few weeks and as far as I could see he wasn’t training until this week.
A bit of, Agatha Christie / Wagatha Christie, going on here !

[~YTM~]

I still strongly suspect he was injured even if it wasn’t reported. A few days ago, I went through the vids that the club post of their training the last few weeks and as far as I could see he wasn’t training until this week.

He seems very injury prone so chances are he likely was unavailable for those games rather than dropped from the squad.

[Eirambler]

Not in the matchday squad against Liverpool today. Once again not clear whether he's injured or dropped, but the general consensus among the Leicester support is that RVN is just picking the team out of a hat at this stage.

[rebelmusic]

Been starting the last few games. Watching today and he's having a solid industrious game. Seems to have matured quite a bit this year

[rebelmusic]

Just scored a bullet as well :)

[Eirambler]

Will hopefully do a bit of damage in the Championship next season, could be one of the better players in the division.

[tetsujin1979]

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[rebelmusic]

Been watching some highlights and starting to think a move into DM/CM would be a good option for him.

I don't think he'll ever set the world alight as a right winger but he's a busy enough player and could do a job there. He should be starting most games next season so here's hoping. Granted this might just be wishful thinking with the strength in depth we already have on that wing