View Full Version : Republic of Ireland V Greece - Friday, 13th October 2023 - Euro 2024 Qualifier
joey B
13/10/2023, 7:06 PM
All the time in the world for that long range effort,could have took another 5 seconds if he had wanted….
pineapple stu
13/10/2023, 7:07 PM
Same old same old
Energetic start, don't capitalise, fade after ten minutes, go behind...
Stunning header and great cross but yep, same old same old indeed. And it’s kind of been coming.
Ferguson is completely isolated too.
All very depressing.
any half decent team has a goal start against us as we cannot keep a clean sheet under kenny. yet he still retains support.
baffling.
pineapple stu
13/10/2023, 7:18 PM
I'm not sure he's retaining support. Lot of empty seats, especially in the corporate boxes, and no atmosphere tonight either.
backstothewall
13/10/2023, 7:18 PM
This is ****ing dreadful.
Nesta99
13/10/2023, 7:22 PM
Ok goal aside, good cross and header but what is immediately odd to me is the length of time it is taking us to take a set piece or throw in - SK was big on te multiball even at Dundalk, quick throw-in, keeping the temp up, exploiting teams switching of especially when they have a moan at refs, quick short frees in to feet, ball 'round the corner etc. Yes it was slowed down and played across the back four for spells, was frustrating at times but tactically it was both a breather and an opportunity to suddenly up the tempo. The players he head at LoI level were arguably less technical yet in European games agains quality opposition his sides had a competative edge. With better players there seems to be a lack of players playing, its seems to be playing in a very structured manner, like phases of play that have been drilled on the training field. Predictable and easy to read by any decent side. Not sure if its coaching or a lack of confidence, players feeling the pressure too much. Its just odd, like a Trap team without the quality of player he had. Nailed on penalty for me, doesnt matter whether the ball was cut out seconds before. Lacked the bit of luck again where the Ferguson shot would have sneaked in in a Brighton shirt but a lot of sides would have buried the Scales chance, he just needed to spoon it on target.
So ok what do people do to try and change this up. Rankings suggest there should be little between these sides yet the Greeks just look sharper, composed, confident, fluid, dangerous rather than frantic. Maybe we are simply trying too hard....
he's definitely after losing the players, maybe not all of them, but there are a lot of guys out there not really at it. very casual, lots of walking around.
This is ****ing dreadful.
As bad as it’s been.
Nesta99
13/10/2023, 7:29 PM
any half decent team has a goal start against us as we cannot keep a clean sheet under kenny. yet he still retains support.
baffling.
I do think crowds have held up pretty well considering and it wasnt the case at the end of other eras. Its not retaining support for SK imo, more part of a general trend of people attending live sporting events good numbers possibly part of the post pandemic shut down changes for however long that may last. It far from the event junkie success bandwagon nature of the Irish sporting public. Impressive in the context of tomorrow nights sport.
Ogbene the only positive so far. Very poor. I’d bring Johnston on at half time.
texidub
13/10/2023, 7:32 PM
Ogbene about the only one playing well.
texidub
13/10/2023, 7:34 PM
Snap there TonyD. He deserves more effort from some of those around him. Doherty is annoying... maybe it's just me but he doesn't seem to take the game seriously at all.
texidub
13/10/2023, 7:36 PM
Ah, FFS.
fully deserved second. dressing room lost unquestionably.
Calcio Jack
13/10/2023, 7:38 PM
Hopefully that clown will resign at h/t
osarusan
13/10/2023, 7:38 PM
After the usual energetic start, we've imploded as usual and gone completely flat. We have no structure whatsoever. The little bit of good play we have just comes from individual stuff like Ogbene causing problems, rather than anything from training.
They're closing us down so quickly and not allowing anybody up in support of Ferguson, who hasn't been in it at all.
pineapple stu
13/10/2023, 7:39 PM
Not sure what to make of that. I think the scuffed cross from the back post caught us out. But certainly no-one doing a great job stopping it
That's Kenny gone anyway. The press conference will be painful. But let's get through Monday without embarrassment and move on...
joey B
13/10/2023, 7:39 PM
Putrid that,he should have been put out of his misery in September….
NeverFeltBetter
13/10/2023, 7:39 PM
Which random Irishman will Andrews blame for this?
Kenny's successor is going to have a mountain to climb for the 2026 campaign.
Absolute sh!te. Ogbene decent but also lost the ball needlessly twice. This was the wrong adjustment by Kenny at the wrong time. GTF.
i'm not sure if i can remember a worse performance? the last days of the o'neill regime had some stinkers alright.
Putrid that,he should have been put out of his misery in September….
Totally.
Nesta99
13/10/2023, 7:42 PM
Awful corner, 3 or 4 passes and well thats the sort of clinical efficiency that we squander - hesitate, cut back and let opposition reset. Be interesting to hear what Didi has to say (apart from give it to Ogbene) could be a bit throw back to Dunphy like analysis.
liamoo11
13/10/2023, 7:42 PM
Ogbene about the only one playing well.
I really don't think he is plying well. Massive mistakes for both goals, no composure when he has had the chance to put in a decent ball, no link up with ferguson and lots of head down running into dead ends getting a few free kicks. No where close to international level attacker. That body position he got himself into when scales put in that great cross is just horrible . Great pace great athlete and needs to work on his defensive abilities and needs a wing back
pineapple stu
13/10/2023, 7:44 PM
Absolute sh!te. Ogbene decent but also lost the ball needlessly twice. This was the wrong adjustment by Kenny at the wrong time. GTF.
Ogbene is being Ogbene. A live wire and our best player tonight, but also inconsistent to the point I still can't tell if he's any good or not
Scales having a decent game too. Super cross shortly before their second that a stronger forward than ogbene would have muscled his way to.
Knight looks a bit off the pace. Everyone else just looks poor without any particular reason. Bazunu's handling not great either.
Greece still in with a chance of automatic qualification. And fair dues to them; they've got our number twice with ease
texidub
13/10/2023, 7:46 PM
It's a low bar at the minute liamo. He's a 5/6 out of ten in a team of 3s.
pineapple stu
13/10/2023, 7:46 PM
i'm not sure if i can remember a worse performance? the last days of the o'neill regime had some stinkers alright.
The likes of Azerbaijan at home and Armenia away and Luxembourg at home?
Stodgy nonsense. This is up there with it.
Szmodmics should phone in at halftime and tell us how we're to play. Cos we don't know. It's all so incoherent since the opening ten. Again
Trequartista20
13/10/2023, 7:47 PM
Just more of the same. Complete ineptitude. Appalling.
I'll never understand why Kenny was received such an easy ride from the press. It's not like O'Neill had a team of prime all-stars to pick from, and yet, despite the results he was able to achieve, he received so much more criticism, and even hostility at times.
Obviously the quite inexplicable cult-like support Kenny received from a certain cadre of the support didn't help, though they will never accept their share of the responsibility for this mess. The press has been extraordinarily supine and even obsequious in the face of this over the past few years, refusing to hold their man to account. A complete dereliction of duty, really.
The interview at full time is going to be painful to watch. Christ I’m dreading it already.
liamoo11
13/10/2023, 7:51 PM
It's a low bar at the minute liamo
True. Horrible to see that idiotic management on the sideline shouting to get the ball out yo ogbene like it's an under q2s game with the dads coaching. How about trying to actually move the ball into areas where you will make chances rather than giving it to the fast lad who hopefully will run nowhere get fouked and get a free kick.
backstothewall
13/10/2023, 7:52 PM
Jason Knight and Alan Browne. 54 caps betwen them. Is anyone able to articulate what either of them is supposed to be good at? Because i've watched the vast majority of those games and I honestly have no idea.
True. Horrible to see that idiotic management on the sideline shouting to get the ball out yo ogbene like it's an under q2s game with the dads coaching. How about trying to actually move the ball into areas where you will make chances rather than giving it to the fast lad who hopefully will run nowhere get fouked and get a free kick.
Is it u12s coaching or is it League of Ireland coaching?
Olé Olé
13/10/2023, 7:53 PM
Collins was awful for the second goal. Subbed for Manning. Wonder was he injured or is he under the bus?
brine3
13/10/2023, 7:53 PM
Greeks sitting back and letting us pass the ball around, then surrounding a player who gets a poor pass, intercept the ball and slice us open on the counter.
Was happening all the time and nothing done about it.
True. Horrible to see that idiotic management on the sideline shouting to get the ball out yo ogbene like it's an under q2s game with the dads coaching. How about trying to actually move the ball into areas where you will make chances rather than giving it to the fast lad who hopefully will run nowhere get fouked and get a free kick.
I did cringe a bit when that was pointed out in the commentary. Reminded me of watching Bohs in Monaghan and Pete Mahon kept shouting “do a trick, Trevor” to Trevor Molloy when we were behind. The trick never came.
Collins was awful for the second goal. Subbed for Manning. Wonder was he injured or is he under the bus?
He was awful from the first minute. Hoofed it away way too often when a shorter pass was on. Dragged out of position multiple times and was poor for their second alright. Needlessly embarrassing to be hauled off at h/t though if not an injury.
Greeks sitting back and letting us pass the ball around, then surrounding a player who gets a poor pass, intercept the ball and slice us open on the counter.
Was happening all the time and nothing done about it.
he should have made three or even four changes. go 4-3-3, get someone up there with ferguson.
but nah. 45 mins of us knocking it around at the back and hoping the greeks don't go after more goals which they could easily score if they wanted. 0/10.
get knight off for god's sake.
ontheotherhand
13/10/2023, 8:01 PM
Couldn't watch the first half. Switched on to see Doherty, Duffy, Scales and Manning as our back 4. Had a good old chuckle. And I like two of them.
joey B
13/10/2023, 8:01 PM
You could sub about 8 of them tbf,take your pick….
placid casual
13/10/2023, 8:02 PM
Doherty should be shot.
Theres isnt a single remotely decent midfielder eligible for Ireland it seems, or am I forgetting someone who hasn't played for Ireland yet,cos the one's who have are woejus.
liamoo11
13/10/2023, 8:05 PM
I did cringe a bit when that was pointed out in the commentary. Reminded me of watching Bohs in Monaghan and Pete Mahon kept shouting “do a trick, Trevor” to Trevor Molloy when we were behind. The trick never came.
To be fair to Trevor he was a fine footballer but a poor athlete what we have here is a fine athlete .
SeanDrog
13/10/2023, 8:08 PM
Ronnie Whelens laugh when asked just before half time what should Kenny do/consider for half time … unprofessional or understandable … aside it’s time (has been for a time) to write this project off and reset with a new management team.
backstothewall
13/10/2023, 8:13 PM
At least we've lanced the boil. It's a shame a decent man like Stephen Kenny had to be humiliated like this to prove the point, but the argument advanced by John Giles among others under Mick and Martin O'Neill that we should be trying to dominate the midfield and playing good football has been proven comprehensively wrong by this whole experiment.
We need to get back to what we do best. We need to re-adopt the Charltonism, red in tooth and claw. At the minute we're a nice side to play against. That's the last thing you should be able to say about the Irish team.
osarusan
13/10/2023, 8:15 PM
We are absolutely clueless. So slow, players look like they've never trained together before and have no idea where anybody will be.
An incoherent mess. It's truly awful to watch.
denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
Roughly here, skipped bargaining.
At least we've lanced the boil. It's a shame a decent man like Stephen Kenny had to be humiliated like this to prove the point, but the argument advanced by John Giles among others under Mick and Martin O'Neill that we should be trying to dominate the midfield and playing good football has been proven comprehensively wrong by this whole experiment.
We need to get back to what we do best. We need to re-adopt the Charltonism, red in tooth and claw. At the minute we're a nice side to play against. That's the last thing you should be able to say about the Irish team.
how so? has he been sacked at half time? we've let the boil fester to the point it's now gangrenous.
Trequartista20
13/10/2023, 8:20 PM
Our absolute nadir. The worst we've been in our lifetime. I never thought we'd see greater incompetency than we saw under Staunton. Incredibly Kenny has further lowered even that ground-scrapping bar.
Trequartista20
13/10/2023, 8:23 PM
At least we've lanced the boil. It's a shame a decent man like Stephen Kenny had to be humiliated like this to prove the point, but the argument advanced by John Giles among others under Mick and Martin O'Neill that we should be trying to dominate the midfield and playing good football has been proven comprehensively wrong by this whole experiment.
We need to get back to what we do best. We need to re-adopt the Charltonism, red in tooth and claw. At the minute we're a nice side to play against. That's the last thing you should be able to say about the Irish team.
John Giles made that point most persuasively during his tenure of management, surely.
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