2023 Leinster Senior Cup

[culloty82]

I see Cork are playing Cobh in the Munster Senior Cup final tonight - has to be the Kerry dream for 2024!

[EatYerGreens]

I see Cork are playing Cobh in the Munster Senior Cup final tonight - has to be the Kerry dream for 2024!

They should call it the Senior Association Munster cup. Or 'SAM' for short.

Kerry for Sam!

[joey B]

I see Cork are playing Cobh in the Munster Senior Cup final tonight - has to be the Kerry dream for 2024!

Cobh won this 3-1,Cork player a mostly reserve team I think….

[EatYerGreens]

Cobh won this 3-1,Cork player a mostly reserve team I think….

Congratulations Ramblers! There wasn't a cow milked in Cobh today by all accounts.

[outspoken]

Congratulations Ramblers! There wasn't a cow milked in Cobh today by all accounts.

Should that not be sheep sheared?

[sheao]

Cobh won this 3-1,Cork player a mostly reserve team I think….


Mainly a Cobh Ramblers second team out as well . No Jack Doherty, Wilson Waweru or Lee Steacy in the matchday squad last night and made 8 changes from team that played Bray last Friday.

[Martinho II]

Surprising thing in todays Irish Sun was that they had a match report on MSC final which is great to see! Never seen it before!

[Comic Book Guy]

Should that not be sheep sheared?

I don't think there's too many of either left on the Great Island anymore.:D

[culloty82]

The Munster Senior Cup format has been slightly tweaked for the forthcoming season, with the five senior clubs joining at the last 16 stage, rather than the QFs as previously:

https://munsterfootball.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Munster-Senior-Cup-Draw-2023-2024.xlsx

[legendz]

Treaty United in January: We have been drawn at home to Cobh Ramblers in the Semi-Final of the Munster Senior Cup.
The tie will be played at a neutral venue in our region with fixture details to be confirmed.

The neutral venue in their region was nonsense. This sort of stuff has me thinking the Munster clubs would be better off in some form of Munster League Cup. They seem committed however to putting up with the Cork Munster FA.

[Dermobohs]

Final on tonight, bohs 1-0 up atm.

[Philosophizer]

2-0 to Bohs at half time. Bohs playing the 2nd string. Usher have a couple of useful players though. The no9 and the goalie at least look like they’d be up to 1st Div level no probs.

[Philosophizer]

5-0 to Bohs in the end. The last 30 mins was mostly their youths team and still Usher couldn’t get anything. It might sound mad but Bohs actually didn’t play great - lots of sloppy mistakes. One or two Usher lads were a tad rough/dirty at the end but luckily no injuries.

[ger121]

Over 3000 there tonight. I remember a time we might not get that amount with a league trophy being presented.

[ontheotherhand]

Over 3000 there tonight. I remember a time we might not get that amount with a league trophy being presented.

You remember being presented with a league trophy? What was it like in the olden days grandad?

.......


Good crowd all the same.

[bohsmug]

Hard to know what Bohs current level of attendance would be at the moment without the capacity restrictions. 3k+ on a Monday night for a LSC game, albeit a final, is some going. Usher had a bigger crowd than I would've expected in fairness. 2 blocks in the Jodi and a healthy number in the Mono Stand. They opened the Des Kelly End during the first half and I moved over as we couldn't get seats together. Brought my 2 young kids with me, great night. Kids don't care or know about the prestige of the competition so enjoyed the scoreline and trophy presentation.

[sbgawa]

Will there be an open top bus parade through North Dublin?

[Nesta99]

Over 3000 there tonight. I remember a time we might not get that amount with a league trophy being presented.

Nice crowd to see the winning of a nice trophy! Its quite remarkable really and I hope that this period of LoI Cool will be sustaied. I do believe in the 'rising tides raises all boats' thinking so long may t continue and that clubs make hay while the sun shines and not waste this unexpected popularity of LoI - it wont last for ever if there is no effort seen to increase crowds and improve facilities!!


Will there be an open top bus parade through North Dublin?

Should be one for that Trophy to go on public display every years as it is a fine thing indeed!

[EatYerGreens]

I hope that this period of LoI Cool will be sustained.

I think it will, because it''s been very embryonic. It's not a bubble, as it hasn't been linked to anything specific that the league or clubs have done. Some clubs are now seeing the fruits of years of work plugging away in their local communities, but there's been no big bang to increase the attendances, so I don't see a big drop off being likely either. I think we're just in a growth phase for domestic fotball in the country currently.

It's also important to remember that the country's population is growing quite fast too - particularly in the cities and larger towns, which is where most LOI clubs are based. The population of the State grew by almost 390,000 in the 5yrs between 2016 and 2021. If only 1% of that growth was attracted to domestic football (not an unreasonable presumption in my view), then that would be almost 4,000 extra fans every week. Which for our league would be a hell of an increase across the board for each game. If only 0.5% of the growth was attracted, that would still be a 2,000 per game uplift. So even if nothing else happens, population growth alone would probably have a noticeable impact on LOI crowds.

[bohsmug]

I think it will, because it''s been very embryonic. It's not a bubble, as it hasn't been linked to anything specific that the league or clubs have done. Some clubs are now seeing the fruits of years of work plugging away in their local communities, but there's been no big bang to increase the attendances, so I don't see a big drop off being likely either. I think we're just in a growth phase for domestic fotball in the country currently.

It's also important to remember that the country's population is growing quite fast too - particularly in the cities and larger towns, which is where most LOI clubs are based. The population of the State grew by almost 390,000 in the 5yrs between 2016 and 2021. If only 1% of that growth was attracted to domestic football (not an unreasonable presumption in my view), then that would be almost 4,000 extra fans every week. Which for our league would be a hell of an increase across the board for each game. If only 0.5% of the growth was attracted, that would still be a 2,000 per game uplift. So even if nothing else happens, population growth alone would probably have a noticeable impact on LOI crowds.

I do think and hope you're right. To be fair we were coming from a fairly low base too. The league has needed better facilities for a long time regardless but now needs larger capacities (admittedly low capacities have largely come as a result of unsafe grounds being restricted). Incremental upgrades do have to start happening fairly rapidly though and that hasn't really happened at an acceptable rate. Presuming the youth sections of LOI clubs remain as the elite level of underage football in this country, we should continue to attract more interest than we did before that was the case.

[ger121]

Will there be an open top bus parade through North Dublin?

Why, you want come along?

[sbgawa]

Wouldn't want to intrude on tour big day out :)

[ger121]

Wouldn't want to intrude on tour big day out :)

Go on! I’ll get you a packet of bacon fries and a coke in the Members ;-)

[sbgawa]

Go on! I’ll get you a packet of bacon fries and a coke in the Members ;-)

Concentrate on beating Shels for Europe.
Ive never forgiven them for how they treated us when we were in Tolka , believe it or not id rather see Bohs doing better than Shels.

[Philosophizer]

It's not a bubble, as it hasn't been linked to anything specific that the league or clubs have done. Some clubs are now seeing the fruits of years of work plugging away in their local communities, but there's been no big bang to increase the attendances, so I don't see a big drop off being likely either. I think we're just in a growth phase for domestic fotball in the country currently.
Peraonally, I think the 2 main factors have been:
1) the introduction of the national underage leagues and the LOI clubs becoming the best underage clubs in the country. Kids now look at LOI clubs as the gold standard of football in Ireland, whereas previously they were just an afterthought.
2) Dundalk and Rovers reaching group stages has helped people take the league more seriously and realise that it is a high standard and we can compete are European levels.

[ger121]

Peraonally, I think the 2 main factors have been:
1) the introduction of the national underage leagues and the LOI clubs becoming the best underage clubs in the country. Kids now look at LOI clubs as the gold standard of football in Ireland, whereas previously they were just an afterthought.
2) Dundalk and Rovers reaching group stages has helped people take the league more seriously and realise that it is a high standard and we can compete are European levels.

Point 1 is an interesting one. I have mates that had zero interest in the LOI, only had eyes for the EPL but then their kids started playing for the underage LOI teams and they got sucked into it themselves via the kids. Dads and Mams going to Shels, Pat’s and even Harps and they feel part of the club. We always think if you can get them young, you can get them hooked but you can get adults in that way too by association.

[2 Year Contract]

Peraonally, I think the 2 main factors have been:
1) the introduction of the national underage leagues and the LOI clubs becoming the best underage clubs in the country. Kids now look at LOI clubs as the gold standard of football in Ireland, whereas previously they were just an afterthought.
2) Dundalk and Rovers reaching group stages has helped people take the league more seriously and realise that it is a high standard and we can compete are European levels.

Point 1 is spot on, it’s definitely helped with the perception of the League of Ireland. I wouldn’t agree with point 2 though, the rapid rise in attendances was well underway by the time rovers qualified at the end of last summer, while Dundalk’s qualification was in the middle of lockdown. Plus both sides qualified in the 2010s and we never saw league wide crowd increases off the back of 2011 and 2016. It undoubtedly increases the attendances of the clubs involved but it wouldn’t have much bearing on league wide crowds IMO, although it certainly doesn’t hurt.

Another point I genuinely think has helped LOI crowds is the state top level football is getting to in recent years between the whole super league thing, absolutely astronomical transfer fees, price gouging and ticketing availability for premier league games, and course the never ending discussion on incorrect VAR decisions in more or less every game on tv these days. An accumulation of all of those things has seemed to help the LOI as in eyes of some of these new LOI fans is, it’s a more pure and old school football experience compared to the ‘modern football’ equivalent overseas which people seem to becoming less tunnel visioned into, or at the very least, less dismissive of their own country's league

[cláirseach]

https://x.com/InchicoreAthFC/status/1851569123509108811

I can't find the other groups.

[dundalkfc10]

https://x.com/InchicoreAthFC/status/1851569123509108811

I can't find the other groups.

I was looking myself and couldn't find them anywhere.

[cláirseach]

Inchicore Athletic replied to say that Group A Shelbourne Drogheda United Longford Town St Mochtas or Valley Park United

[Martinho II]

Where in Dublin are St Mochtas and Valley Park anyone?

[2 Year Contract]

Where in Dublin are St Mochtas and Valley Park anyone?

Clonsilla and Finglas

[2 Year Contract]

Just thinking there, the LSC must be one of the very few football competitions in the world (possibly only?) that is constantly happening. Not a day in the year that the LSC is not underway, sensational stuff :D

[pineapple stu]

The draw for the first round of the Estonian Cup certainly has been made in the day of the final. The first half of the cup runs in a different season to the second half. Teams have been known to fold between rounds (ie seasons)

[2 Year Contract]

The draw for the first round of the Estonian Cup certainly has been made in the day of the final. The first half of the cup runs in a different season to the second half. Teams have been known to fold between rounds (ie seasons)

Strange concept. I wonder if they have many issues around players being cup tied if a team makes a large amount of signings during the off season

[2 Year Contract]

I was looking myself and couldn't find them anywhere.

Full draw and fixture dates that will definitely not be adhered to are here: https://www.extratime.com/articles/34956/leinster-senior-cup-draw-made-group-stage-format-to-return/