View Full Version : Corks New Stand Plans...
Buller
26/07/2005, 9:43 PM
PLANS: http://www.corkcityfc.ie/downloads/newshedend.zip
Taken from: http://corkcityfc.ie/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=3591&st=0#entry54201
That stand looks deadly. It'll really boost the profile of the X and turn it into a great LOI stadium...
Éanna
27/07/2005, 12:02 AM
close to being the best ground in the league already, I think this will confirm it, especially as the st annes end will be roofed once this is completed. The only problem is in the period between shed being knocked and this being finished (not sure if it will be ready for start of next season) the st annes end will have no roof, so could lead to a drop in crowds when weather is bad, plus poor atmosphere because no roof down there :mad:
A face
27/07/2005, 12:21 AM
Maybe not a problem though .... the money is there so there should be no problems with the contractors on that side of things ... the thing is now, is the contractor should have a time scale and will there be penalties if they dont meet them.
One thing i would have like to see was the stand pushed out more towards the boundry wall ... there would have been room for another few rows of seats and maybe might of helped to pay for the extention. Anyway not to worry ... the new stand (13 rows) will look abit like the St Annes end (20 rows) should be a great facility alright !!
I think the one important thing is will be full length of the pitch so won't be too much gap between it & the Donie Forde.
sullanefc
27/07/2005, 9:08 AM
All very good news for the club. Put a couple of points here.
1) They said on the CCFC website that the plan would be to roof the St Annes end first. I think this is very important as the attendances would drop if it was raining.
2) I saw an article on Sky Sports News a few weeks back when they were previewing one of the stadiums in Germany for the World Cup ( I can't remember which one) but they had one terrace were the Seats could be locked in an upright position for German League games, but could be all seated for World Cup, CL and UEFA cup games. I think this would be a good idea to implement at the Shed End as I think the terrace adds to the atmosphere at league games. And could be changed for UEFA games. I'm sure changes cannot be made now though as the plans are already made.
3) A 7000 all seating capacity would mean no more 9000 attendance games. I know they only happen once or twice a year, but it's less revenue for CCFC.
These are only minor points as it is still could news for Cork City.
kevincronin2000
27/07/2005, 9:20 AM
All very good news for the club. Put a couple of points here.
3) A 7000 all seating capacity would mean no more 9000 attendance games. I know they only happen once or twice a year, but it's less revenue for CCFC.
These are only minor points as it is still could news for Cork City.
jesus i would not like to be in turners cross this season with more than 9000 people in it, I would imagine when a roof goes on the St annes end it will illiminate the standing area behind it, and when the shed is gone the only places left to stand will be immediate left and right hand sides of the donnie forde stand, "the corner" and the corner between St annes end the derrynane stand. And in the interest of saftey people should not be allowed stand in most of these places. I wonder withe the stadium becomming all seater would the insurance permium for the venue come down.
Éanna
27/07/2005, 10:25 AM
1) They said on the CCFC website that the plan would be to roof the St Annes end first. I think this is very important as the attendances would drop if it was raining.Not going to happen unfortunately.
superfrank
27/07/2005, 10:38 AM
The plans look good. I don't know sh!t bout architecture but it look's like a very decent stand. What end of the stadium will this be going?
sullanefc
27/07/2005, 10:41 AM
Shed end
A face
27/07/2005, 11:57 AM
Nearest the road, by the horseshoe bar !!
OneRedArmy
27/07/2005, 12:23 PM
How many 7,000 crowds have you had this season and how many do you expect from now to the end of the season? Actually, how many have you had over the last few years? Bare in mind the attendences averages on here and in the press look like they have been "slightly" overestimated based on recent official releases.
Wouldn't imagine capacity will be a problem for anything other than a European game or two and a end of season title decider against Derry? :D
The stand itself looks the business, but I'm puzzled by the VIP seating. Surely VIPs want to be on half way and not behind a goal? :confused:
Peadar
27/07/2005, 12:24 PM
What end of the stadium will this be going?
See this photograph. (http://corkcityfc.ie/gallery/albums/OTHER/Turners%20Cross%20Sample1.jpg) It's the goal end to the left of the picture, next to the road. The only side of the ground not seated.
Surely VIPs want to be on half way and not behind a goal? :confused:
VIP's want to be close to the bar. :rolleyes:
Slash/ED
27/07/2005, 12:25 PM
How will it effect atmosphere, will the regular shed enders take a section or two from the stand and stand there like we do or will they relocate?
A face
27/07/2005, 1:03 PM
Well if people had half an idea .... the best place for atmosphere after all of this is done will be St Annes end .... With the roof on it, it will be brilliant for atmosphere.
Wondering now aswell ..... the existing tunnel ... with that be converted into seats now. ??
Slash/ED
27/07/2005, 1:08 PM
Well if people had half an idea .... the best place for atmosphere after all of this is done will be St Annes end .... With the roof on it, it will be brilliant for atmosphere.
Right up beside the away section too which would help the atmosphere
The new stand will be good as it will enclose the stadium a lot more.
Shows how prices have changed a lot though.
Main Stand built sometime around 95-98 for i think £200k for 1850 seats. Shed Stand going to cost approx £950k for 1500 seats.
Slash/ED
27/07/2005, 1:58 PM
You're not just paying for seats though, I'd imagine this will include alot more modern facilities.
Will there be a bar in this stand?
Ruairi
27/07/2005, 2:01 PM
Wondering now aswell ..... the existing tunnel ... with that be converted into seats now. ??
i doubt it, i'd imagine they'd still be using the odl dressign rooms for junior finals and underage finals and the like
How can you look at the stand?all i can get is some Win Zip sh1te.
A face
27/07/2005, 5:23 PM
How can you look at the stand?all i can get is some Win Zip sh1te.
There are three pics zipped together in that file .... save the file and then double click ... it'll ask you to extract and then just pick and folder, when its done, just go there and view them.
jorge
27/07/2005, 10:29 PM
Thanks,it looks the part. :)
thejollyrodger
27/08/2005, 1:21 PM
those plans look fantastic. I didnt know the new stand at the shed end was going right the way across the pitch. Its really going to add to the atmosphere down at Turners Cross !!
I thought that was the worst part of the ground, with the old toilet and all. Now its going to be the best part.
I think they should close up the old tunnel and put seating in there.
RTE said that Cork had plans to eventually bring the capacity to 14,000 seater. Is that right ? I dont know how they did their sums but one stand (opposite TV camera ) is very narrow and there is a load of houses in behind there so I cant see how they would increase it past 7,000.
Turners Cross will be the business after the new stand.
I hope shels get on with their plans
gael353
27/08/2005, 5:08 PM
Im not trying to be funny lads but that stand is the exact same (if a little smaller) as the main stand in the showgrounds in sligo and that stand has its knockers as in me! you can see it in the side elevation shot the stand seating is split into two, the rear seating will have no problems as the elevation of the eats is good (people will be able to see over each other) but the front area will be sore on the necks. No elevation means everyone will be on high arse as they attempt to sit yet stand to see over the 6ft 7 person in front of them come to think of it a 4ft 6 person may cause problems. Dont get me wrong i wish all at cork city well but why oh why are all the stands in el designed by the same bloody crowd? I was in holland years ago and i asked a guy about seating he told me that the top back of the seat in front of you should be at minimum level with the lower of ur seat that ur sitting on. Ive only found this once in Ireland at that was in Monaghan but that stand too has its problems as in its 50 yards from the pitch. Just my opinion lads
Buller
27/08/2005, 5:31 PM
RTE said that Cork had plans to eventually bring the capacity to 14,000 seater. Is that right ? I dont know how they did their sums but one stand (opposite TV camera ) is very narrow and there is a load of houses in behind there so I cant see how they would increase it past 7,000.
At the moment turners cross has 5,500 seats, the new shed end stand will bring it up to 7,000 seats. The main stand where the tv camara is doesn't go the full length of the pitch and so could be extended giving an extra 1,000 seats max. Maybe there could be another 1,000 seats fit in at the St. Annes end if they went further up theres space there...??? :rolleyes: Maybe 4/500 more seats in the corners if they were lucky?!
So if that would put the maximum expansion capacity of turners cross at about 10,000 all-seater. Any thoughts?!
thejollyrodger
27/08/2005, 5:35 PM
that stand has its knockers as in me!
What does that mean :confused: :confused:
Ive only found this once in Ireland at that was in Monaghan but that stand too has its problems as in its 50 yards from the pitch.
Well done monaghan eh :rolleyes:
The stand may be a similar design to the one you have in Sligo but there may be more elevation used in the Cork stand. Maybe someone from Cork can clarify this point.
martin_rules_ie
27/08/2005, 5:39 PM
that stand has its knockers as in me!
not sure what it means? are you calling yourself a tit?
sorry couldn't resist :D :D
thejollyrodger
27/08/2005, 5:42 PM
I dont know Buller, but I know what you mean. They could extend the camera stand the full length of the pitch, fill in the corners and old tunnel for a start and that might add 2,000.
The only way to get past 9,000 seater capacity would be to purchase land from those houses opposite the TV cameras but that would be astromoical prices.
Still 7,000 (or even 9,000) people regularly attending CCFC matches would be a major boost for the coffers.
bigmac
27/08/2005, 5:54 PM
Ive only found this once in Ireland at that was in Monaghan but that stand too has its problems as in its 50 yards from the pitch. Just my opinion lads
Never been to the RSC? plenty of elevation on the stand - there has to be to see past the athletics track :(
gael353
27/08/2005, 6:26 PM
first up knockers as in a person who knocks back ideas and all, i think ye all got my point and about the RSC i had forgotten but again miles from the pitch. The nearest thing to a good stand in EL is the one in Buckley park but the front two rows are ****ee as they seem to have run out of ideas as to where to put seats. Is there any team in the land that can bulid a stand with good elevation (so everyone can see) with no pylons in front (so everyone can see) with disabled seats (not a spare ramp on the outer roof of a stand) with a roof that covers all the seats and most of all with good toilets. I think some first division teams could show the way as in athlone or maybe limerick. Oh about the plans btw, we in limerick have seen these before. Our plan for the pike rovers was very very similar :confused:
thejollyrodger
27/08/2005, 6:45 PM
Shelbourne have plans to develop a new stadium out in Donebate. Its based on the rushden and diamonds stadium in England. Not the prettist of stadiums IMO, but can be expanded with a second tier.
The nearest thing to a good stand in EL is the one in Buckley park
Have you never been in Dalymount ? The Jodi Stand is superb, best stand in the league by a mile. Lots of leg-room, great height between the seats and a nice view of the pitch. The main stand in Flancare Park is good too.
gael353
27/08/2005, 9:14 PM
Have you never been in Dalymount ? The Jodi Stand is superb, best stand in the league by a mile. Lots of leg-room, great height between the seats and a nice view of the pitch. The main stand in Flancare Park is good too.
agree two fine stands but both have obstructions in their designs. In short poles in the way. hea look im no expert but if anyone wants to see what i mean i can e-mail pics to them of good and bad stands. gael353@hotmail.com
Buller
27/08/2005, 9:38 PM
Its based on the rushden and diamonds stadium in England. Not the prettist of stadiums IMO, but can be expanded with a second tier. Rushden and Diamonds ground?!
Shels are basing donebate on a 5000 seater stadium?! :eek:
is this the stadium, Nene Park??? :confused: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/rushden22.jpg
You cant be serious! Wheres the two tiers!!!
That looks like a nice little stadium,would be perfect for any eircom league club imo,could be a small bit bigger alrite.It reminds me of nijmegans ground,obviously on a smaller scale
Sliogán Dóite
27/08/2005, 9:44 PM
It will be a 6800 seater with one tier and another can be added easily (if we hit the big time!).
Better to have improved facilities on a modest scale instead of starting projects that cannot be completed.
The Main Stand in Tallaght will cost anything from 5-10m when completed & rest of ground will still have mud banks.
gael353
28/08/2005, 5:57 PM
Rushden and Diamonds ground?!
Shels are basing donebate on a 5000 seater stadium?! :eek:
is this the stadium, Nene Park??? :confused: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/rushden22.jpg
You cant be serious! Wheres the two tiers!!!
And at the end of which you dont see in the pic is the biggest stand with an arced roof. I think the stand just on the right in this pic should be what most clubs should be going for.
The Cross in a perfect world!! :)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionlisten/Stadionlisten-Niederlande/NEC/NEC_LE_02.jpg
thejollyrodger
28/08/2005, 6:31 PM
It will be a 6800 seater with one tier and another can be added easily (if we hit the big time!).
Yeah, initial plans are for 6,800 seater capacity with just the bottom tier. If Shels ever made the group stages of the Champions league regularly a second tier could (will according to Shelbourne FC) be added. That would bring the capacity to about 14,000 or something like that.
Considering that Munster rugby are upgrading their stadium to 14,000 and they are playing big games all the time, Shelbourne's plans are good.
I hate the Rusden and Diamonds stadium though http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/rushden.htm. Its typical anglo saxon stadium design - square and ugly. The Boras Arena is the swedish model based on the same design as the Rusden and Diamonds stadium AFAIK. Its far nicer and costs about €12million Euro and has a 14,500 seater capacity. http://www.stadiumguide.com/borasarena.htm
Shelbourne said the WONT be basing their design on the Boras Arena. It would have been a great show case for the EL though.
thejollyrodger
28/08/2005, 6:35 PM
Better to have improved facilities on a modest scale instead of starting projects that cannot be completed.
The Main Stand in Tallaght will cost anything from 5-10m when completed & rest of ground will still have mud banks.
What will the capacity of the stand be ?
The tallaght stadium looks pretty big IMO but i never got a proper look at it. Would there be enough room to continue the stand the full way around the pitch if funds were ever found ?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/borasarena.htm
No eircom league club could justify a stadium of that size, at the moment anyway
thejollyrodger
28/08/2005, 7:58 PM
Take away the top tiers daveh. If you can picture that. Its what the shelbourne fans were pushing for. If they build a proper stadium they can upgrade it later and wont have to build a new one for a very long time
Thats fair enough,but even a stadium of that size would need champions league football,if not every year then fairly regularly to justify it,not to mention securing a new fanbase out in wherever it is yere goin
How much are ye getin for tolka btw?
Slash/ED
28/08/2005, 8:06 PM
Thats fair enough,but even a stadium of that size would need champions league football,if not every year then fairly regularly to justify it,not to mention securing a new fanbase out in wherever it is yere goin
How much are ye getin for tolka btw?
Nobody knows, the rumours on it vary.
As for that Swedish stadium, without the top tiers how much would it hold? Surely if with the top tiers 14,500 then not that much. Though the ends behind the goals do appear to be terraces from that picture which could mean they're not counted in the 14,500 figure.
thejollyrodger
28/08/2005, 8:17 PM
Åskådare ca 10.000 sittande och 5.000 stående på kortsidor
http://www.borasarena.se/fakta.html
I cant speak much swedish but I make that as 10,000 sitting and 5,000 standing.
Slash/ED
28/08/2005, 8:23 PM
Yeah. Which is suprising, that means put seats where the terracing is and remove the top tier and it is probably under the capacity of Tolka Park, and by a fair bit too :confused:
thejollyrodger
29/08/2005, 9:09 AM
Very strange because there seems to be a lot of depth in the seating in the Boras Arena from what I can see. Looking at the Rusden and Diamonds seating its very shallow. (its like the end oppositie the TV camera at Turners Cross).
Still the Boras Arena is far superior than Tolka even though it may be the same size with jsut the lower tier and all seating. It has loads of facilites and future expansion would be straightforward.
manic da hoop
29/08/2005, 10:32 AM
What will the capacity of the stand be ?
The tallaght stadium looks pretty big IMO but i never got a proper look at it. Would there be enough room to continue the stand the full way around the pitch if funds were ever found ?
Just over 3,000 capacity, with an identical stand on the opposite side - 6,000 was all we were given in the planning permission, but the original design does allow for the seating to uniformally extend right around the four sides, bringing the capacity to 10,000. Now that the council have reclaimed the lease they will soon be pushing ahead with the completion of the existing stand, and the one opposite. Hopefully finished in time for us to be playing there before the end of next season, if not some time in early 2007.
Buller
29/08/2005, 11:28 AM
Just over 3,000 capacity, with an identical stand on the opposite side - 6,000 was all we were given in the planning permission, but the original design does allow for the seating to uniformally extend right around the four sides, bringing the capacity to 10,000. Now that the council have reclaimed the lease they will soon be pushing ahead with the completion of the existing stand, and the one opposite. Hopefully finished in time for us to be playing there before the end of next season, if not some time in early 2007.
If anyones interested:
Currently (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.bull30/League%20of%20Ireland/Shamrock%20Rovers/shams-tallaght.jpg)
Design (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.bull30/League%20of%20Ireland/Shamrock%20Rovers/sham-talaght.jpg)
With the two stands the capacity would be 6,000 although expansion to 10,000 would mean a fully enclosed stadium as originally planned.(see below)
Floor Plan (http://www.sdcc.ie/41291.pdf)
Sketch (http://www.sdcc.ie/41290.pdf)
Elevation (http://www.sdcc.ie/41308.pdf)
bigmac
29/08/2005, 11:40 AM
A few questions about the Tallaght ground - looks really good in the final sketches btw.
1(a) Do you know what the nature of the agreement between the club and the county council will be?
(b) Will it be a full time lease or will it be a rental agreement, ie will the club be able to rent out the stadium for other games/purposes or will any other rental income go to the council, like in the RSC in Waterford.
(c) Will there be a training ground attached or will Rovers have to rent somewhere to train (most clubs do as far as I know)
2(a) Wondering with a new stadium like this would it be worth looking at putting in a Dundalk style pitch?
(b) If not, who will be responsible for the pitch maintenance, the club or the council?
3 Will there be floodlights? (Not shown on plans)
4 What will be the nature of the standing room away from the stand? Will proper terraces be constructed or will it be a mud bank?
5 Nothing to do with the stadium, but how far away is the nearest LUAS stop?
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