Lets all try move forward, not back

[joeSoap]

Derek McCarthy is gone to Waterford-end of story. It could be a very good move for Derek from a football perspective, and if the management don’t see him as part of their immediate plans, then he’s better off playing elsewhere at a high level where he can improve himself. On reflection, this could very well be the making of Derek McCarthy, big time. He’s a great character, and a fine footballer, but if this matter gets dwelt upon for much longer, it’s not going to do him any favours either. I’m sure that all Derek wants to do now is play football, and Waterford needing strikers, could be the best for him right now.

I totally understand the fans dismay and shock at this move, but surely the same fans can see beyond their noses and respect the decision made by the club. I’m not saying to agree with it, but to respect it. Since last January, the club have done very little wrong, especially off the pitch. On the pitch, every manager has his favourite formations and systems and genuinely believes in them. I don’t think for one second that Noel O’Connor has made one decision that he feels is not in the best interests of the club, nor has he made team selections out of personal bias. He is too professional for that, and his team selections are what he considers will do the best job. He will be the first to admit that if he doesn’t perform to the standards set by the club, then he will lose his job. Anyone that knows him will know that he loves the game and the club too much to jeopardise that. Again, these are club decisions, decisions that given all the bad times the club has had in the past years should be respected. Again, respected is the key word, not liked, or agreed with necessarily, but given the benefit of the doubt and respected.

Unfortunately too much of the clubs private business gets broadcast and aired in public. This should stop. Slagging matches on here should stop too, and I include myself in that. This club has massive potential, both on and off the pitch. Communication between the club and fans is not what it should be, agreed, but the demands made by certain individuals on this forum are ludicrous in the extreme, and are so unreasonable. The facts are simple; Danny Drew runs the club off the pitch. He rescued this club from extinction and has been very professional in the way the club has regained its credibility on the National stage. He will make some bad decisions, everyone does, but his good decisions will far outweigh those bad ones, and already have. Noel O’Connor runs the club on the pitch. The same comments apply. If it wasn’t for them, then we wouldn’t be playing this season. Fact.

Nobody is going to agree with everything. Tough decisions are going to be made. But rest assured the determination to make the club successful will always be there. I think that we should, and hope we can, learn to accept that things aren’t going to be always as we wish, but nothing is in this life. Lets start to pull together instead of opposite directions and maybe a happy atmosphere will start to rub off again on the pitch. After all, we’re still in the running, even after all of this.

[JohnD]

Joe Please stop adding fuel to an already raging fire and please stop being PR for the Club on this forum

More players have left and have been treated with no respect.

This forum is for all EL Fans to express their opinion, be they ill judged or formed, and that is our right to do and this will continue to be done.

JohnD

[joeSoap]

Joe Please stop adding fuel to an already raging fire and please stop being PR for the Club on this forum

More players have left and have been treated with no respect.

This forum is for all EL Fans to express their opinion, be they ill judged or formed, and that is our right to do and this will continue to be done.

JohnD

John, I'm not adding fuel to anything, and I think you know me a bit better than that. Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours.It should not be bandied about on this forum for the whole world to see.

I'm an EL fan too John, and if you read my posts I never try to stifle anybody from commenting. I haven't done so in this case either.

Theres two sides to this, and until both sides start to understand where the other is coming from, then nothing will be resolved. All I'm saying is that maybe its time for a bit of give and take from all parties.

[JohnD]

Fair enough. I accept your point about the fuel. The tone of your post however, IMO, reads like a Press Release from the club :)

On your point that
Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours
I fundamentally disagree with. We pay the wages of the players and have a right to comment on the comings and , in this case :( , goings at the club. It is our Club afterall not just whovever happens to own it at the time of writing.

Also The club have yet to tell us why they are offloading so many players, the real reasons for the selection of those players and who is replacing them. Until this happens there is always going to be speculation.

btw all my posts have been expressing personal opinions not that of the Supporters' club.

all the best
JohnD

[Roadend]

I don’t think for one second that Noel O’Connor has made one decision that he feels is not in the best interests of the club, nor has he made team selections out of personal bias. He is too professional for that, and his team selections are what he considers will do the best job.

I can't see how you can say this when Limerick's players have voiced their concerns over preferential treatment of certain squad members.

[joeSoap]

The tone of your post however, IMO, reads like a Press Release from the club :) Not meant to...its just how I see things


On your point that
Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours
I fundamentally disagree with. We pay the wages of the players and have a right to comment on the comings and , in this case :( , goings at the club. It is our Club afterall not just whovever happens to own it at the time of writing.I don't think anyone is denying the right to comment, or be aggrieved, but the demands being made (not by you) by some are simply laughable. Cork City are arguably the biggest club in the country, and I'm sure have a lot more annoyed fans than we do, but equally their supporters have no say in team selections or transfer activities.

[joeSoap]

I can't see how you can say this when Limerick's players have voiced their concerns over preferential treatment of certain squad members.This goes back to my point about too much private club business is becoming public knowledge. Team selection, or non-selection, is a matter for the manager and his players only, and should provide the rest of us with healthy debate for the pub or this forum where we speculate on what we would do if we were manager etc......Surely players should use more effective methods of airing grievances rather than filling fans rumour mills.

[Roadend]

I see what you're saying Joe, but It'd be extremely naieve of you to think it doesn't happen at every level be it amateur ot pro. Be that as it may, you have heard the players thoughts, so how do you think NOC is still acting in an utmost professional capacity.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

Surely players should use more effective methods of airing grievances rather than filling fans rumour mills.

Nobody has a problem with a manager making a decision to get rid of a player.The problem arises when the 'manager' doesn't have the decency to let the player know what his decision is and lets somebody else do his 'dirty' work.Please don't tell me that you think this is any way to conduct the affairs of a club that is supposed be professionally run.

It is therefore the right of people to know 'both sides' of the story because at the moment there is only one side getting out 'there' because a reporter will talk to people in charge of the club for information, not just any JoeSoap :) and therefore that is Danny Drew. As he seems to be in charge of selling and even buying players, cos thats the only conclusion to come to if the 'manager' suddenly loses his vocal cords and cannot pick up a phone.

That was the was football was run in the 1950's where chairmen ran the show, but probably not the way a top manager would do in a modern club.

Finally, welcome to the Internet my friend, the place where propaganda and spin no longer holds sway and can be nulified by fans. The same fans that deserve more respect from the club who seem to be running scared that fans now know exactly whats going on.

[joeSoap]

I think there are two sides to all issues, and this issue in particular does not directly concern us. So, as I'm not in full possession of all the facts, then I'm not prepared to speculate. Even if I was, its not my concern so I'd just leave it to the concerned parties.

[joeSoap]

Nobody has a problem with a manager making a decision to get rid of a player.The problem arises when the 'manager' doesn't have the decency to let the player know what his decision is and lets somebody else do his 'dirty' work.Please don't tell me that you think this is any way to conduct the affairs of a club that is supposed be professionally run..
:confused: I think you'll find the manager has spoken directly to all players concerned personally.


Finally, welcome to the Internet my friend, the place where propaganda and spin no longer holds sway and can be nulified by fans. And I for the umpteenth time on this site, say that I welcome fans opinions and criticisms on this forum. However I only pay attention to the ones that are contructive, genuine and make sense.The Internet, my friend, works for everyone.

The same fans that deserve more respect from the club who seem to be running scared that fans now know exactly whats going on.The same club that perhaps deserves more respect from the fans, given all thats gone on over the past 8 months, not few weeks.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

:confused: I think you'll find the manager has spoken directly to all players concerned personally.

He may have eventually but that was 3 days after it was made known to the player that he was leaving the club and it was the player that made the FIRST phone call even then. These are the FACTS JoeSoap so don't even try to suggest otherwise. So your telling me that this is the way you treat loyal players to the club. Otherside of this forum JoeSoap, I know for a fact that you would completely agree with me but I suppose sometimes that dollar is worth more than the moral.

[joeSoap]

Otherside of this forum JoeSoap, I know for a fact that you would completely agree with me but I suppose sometimes that dollar is worth more than the moral.

Damn...you've sussed me...if only I wasn't getting paid €100,000 a year by the club to fight fires with all of ye..... :D :D

[deise deserter]

I'd advise all players to get onto the PFAI. The treatment in the dressing room has escalated to a level where legal action can be taken and according to the solicitor I have spoken to easily won by the players.

As for all the off the pitch stuff. We have been lied to.

Stewards?
Licencing?
Seating?
Plans for development?
Lease?
Regular meetings between the club and supporters club?

Everything isn't fine off the pitch either. It started well but unfortunately it has turned into a farce which is only second to the goings-on in the dressing room.

Friday will tell a lot....

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

If you are involved with the club and people in the higher echelon know who you are on here (and also frequent this site) anything derogatory you say on here towards management will be held against you. So we cannot expect you to give us your honest opinion. Therefore anything you say is tainted as you have a vested interest. Now after a few pints in Flannerys I'm sure we would hear a totally different JoeSoap. So I don't blame you but don't expect me to take you views as 100% honest either.

[deise deserter]

LFC Sixty/Eighty:

Ha ha! Great comeback!

[joeSoap]

Now after a few pints in Flannerys I'm sure we would hear a totally different JoeSoap. So I don't blame you but don't expect me to take you views as 100% honest either.

The only football I talk about in Flannerys concerns Junior football, Man Utd, Ireland or is of a rugby nature...Nice of you to to excuse me from blame for my opinions though.. ;)

[jebus]

Joe, and offence is intended here, at this stage you're talking so much sh!t you may aswell pull you pants down and start walking on your hands cause no-ones going to tell the differance.

Theres so much wrong with pretty much everything you have said on this thread that it boggles the mind to the point where I can't even condense this into point form, all I can say is, you sir are an idiot. Oh actually on one of the points about no-one trying to stop fans expressing their viewpoints, if thats the case why is it that yourself and Chairman Willie find it necessary to tell us that what goes on in and around the club is none of our business and we should stay out of it?

[joeSoap]

Jebus, to be crowned an idiot by one so skillfully adept and knowledgeable in that area is a compliment indeed....I thank you.

[jebus]

way to tip toe around the questions being asked of the club again Joe, you certainly earn your money

[joeSoap]

way to tip toe around the questions being asked of the club again Joe, you certainly earn your money

That damn €100,000 a year again.....

[jebus]

Could we have a proper explaination on why Ahearne, Carthy and Rossi have been allowed leave in the last few days without you resorting to the 'its none of your business! we encourage fans to have their say. GET OFF THE INTERNET!' argument please? Also whats the latest on Robbie leaving the club? Is Noel on a five year deal? Do you agree that Danny's behaviour is increasingly similiar to Stalin in his twilight years? And before you say Limerick fans are moaners, think that if this was Man Utd (who I assume you support) and there were rumours of Rooney having a bust up with Ferguson and possibly wanting out of the club, or if Has Been Alex was offered an all together too long deal, or if Glazer had a heart attack everytime the club was talked about in a negative way, than you'd be asking these same questions to.

I suppose I could have condensed that into, if you weren't so far up Danny's ass that you're tasting his breakfast you'd be asking these questions to, but I'm sure a 100 grand buys a lot of breath mints

[joeSoap]

I suppose I could have condensed that into, if you weren't so far up Danny's ass that you're tasting his breakfast you'd be asking these questions to, but I'm sure a 100 grand buys a lot of breath mints

Nice one... :D :D

[sadloserkid]

Nice one... :D :D


Jebus, play nice! :)

And JoeSoap I appreciate the position that you're in and I can understand you wanting this all to blow over but I don't think it'll be that simple.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for fans to want to know why four players have left the club in the space of a few days with only one coming in.

Regardless of where all these stories of unrest and discontent are coming from they're of great concern to genuine fans. And regardless of what anybody here or elsewhere may think I am a genuine fan who just wants the club to be successful.

I just don't see how the sale and release of our assets (and CP ;)) will help us to be successful.

[LFC in Exile]

Could we have a proper explaination on why Ahearne, Carthy and Rossi have been allowed leave in the last few days Also whats the latest on Robbie leaving the club? Is Noel on a five year deal? Do you agree that Danny's behaviour is increasingly similiar to Stalin in his twilight years?

think that if this was Man Utd (who I assume you support) and there were rumours of Rooney having a bust up with Ferguson and possibly wanting out of the club, or if Has Been Alex was offered an all together too long deal, or if Glazer had a heart attack everytime the club was talked about in a negative way, than you'd be asking these same questions to.

If these things were happening at United would Peter Gill sit down with fans and explain them? I don't think so. When Alex fell out with Beckham and offloaded him he didn't have to spell out to fans why he did it. When it comes down to it we can discuss football/Limerick FC matters here but we cannot demand and be expected to get explanations for team selection or transfers. Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

We don't like certain decisions but as long as I am supporting Limerick I cannot remember a day that I didn't agree with team selection, transfers, adminsitration etc.

I am still very surprised that club administrators actually post on here - if I was them I would stop. No other club has officials "communicating" (I use the word loosely because at times it has not involved actual communication) with fans on these forums. :ball:

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

What are you talking about man. That whole saga was played out in the media by the club and the player. Steven Gerrard, his agent, Rick Parry & Liverpool Football Club all made statements to the press for the whole week that it was going on. Gerrard saying that the club didn't want him and he was being pushed out (ring any bells) The club saying that they had made an offer and he had refused.

The night before he chanded his mind Parry on Sky Sports News saying there was nothing more they could do that he had made up his mind and he was leaving, then the following morning saying he was staying.

So trying to say that it was all 'rumour' and 'spin' by the media and web is a load of rubbish.

Bloddy hell you couldn't have picked a worse case to try and highlight your point. Sorry mate.

[Roadend]

Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

Ha ha ha, you are joking. Not only this year but last as well, many people had inside info on Gerrard from either him or his family. You just need to know where to look to find such info.

[LFC in Exile]

So trying to say that it was all 'rumour' and 'spin' by the media and web is a load of rubbish.

Bloddy hell you couldn't have picked a worse case to try and highlight your point. Sorry mate.

Do you know what spin is? Liverpool were spinning one story (Gerrard wanted to leave) and Gerrard was spinning another one (Liverpool want me out). This was all played out in the media. Not unlike this story - except I am not sure Sky News will be camped out at Hogan Park for a statement on Carthy's departure.

Also, I have heard all of the 'inside info' on Gerrard from 'him or his family'. Hardly an absence of spin as well.

In this case there are reports from players (I am not doubting they are accurate) but they are spin. The club has an alternative view. I am not close enough to any players or the club to know what disrepectful treatment (as alluded to in other posts) happened. But, whether examples are apposite or not, the point remains that the club does not have to justify decisions to fans. That said, of course it may often be in their interest to keep fans informed and keep good relations. In the current context I can understand why they are defensive and if I was one of them I would just provide no comment. I would just let the fans register their complaints and get on with the job. :ball:

[jebus]

[QUOTE=LFC in Exile] the point remains that the club does not have to justify decisions to fans[QUOTE]

Thats where we differ, I agree that the club should never be dictated to by the fans, but we should be given a reasonable explaination as to why our top scorer has been shown the door over an alleged personal issue. It is the fans who keep the club running, not Noel or Danny, and if we were to say start boycotting certain games I'm sure that message would become all to apparant to Noel and Danny aswell, not saying we should, just saying we could.

Also it is not unusual for a club to give a explaination through spin (if you read between the lines you get the real story sometimes) or through a statement, examples are the Gerrard saga you mentioned in regards to spin, or Kevin Keegan publically answering the fans questions over Andy Cole's transfer from Newcastle to Man Utd. But regardless, at a club's AGM there are often a number of questions put to the board in regards to transfer policy from the club's supporters, and in the case of the Liverpools and Sheffield Wednesdays (sorry had to include them!) of this world their selection policy always comes under scrutiny in post and pre match interviews, so I don't know how you come to the conclusion that no other club apart from Limerick are asked to explain these things.

[LFC in Exile]

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that no other club apart from Limerick are asked to explain these things.

That's not what I said. I didn't say they weren't asked. Every manager is asked all the time. What I said was that they do not have to answer. Even when they do most of them actually say nothing. Most clubs (and this club should too) have an interest in ensuring that their side of stories gets out there. But most clubs don't have to contend with such a close relationship between players and fans. How many Liverpool fans have a beer with Gerrard and then put what he says about what happened at training on the clubs only discussion forum?

As for the boycott, if things really were in a dire state I can see how this would bring change in a football club but it would be a last resort IMO and nowhere near warranted now. This goes for what I said before about the fans can only indirectly affect change in transfers/team selection. And that is as it should be.

I can tell you now what the manager's/chairman's explanation of Carthy's departure would be. We signed Sweeney, Keating is back. He is not first choice striker. It was a business decision. Recent slump in form? It happens - its too early to panic. Ahearne and Rossi - not first choice players and we have better players in their positions. I don't agree with these but that's my problem. If we continue to slide and finish near bottom I would join others looking for NOC's removal but until then I think we are over-reacting. This is making the administration defensive and nobody wins.

[Roadend]

How many Liverpool fans have a beer with Gerrard and then put what he says about what happened at training on the clubs only discussion forum?

You'd be surprised.

[LFC in Exile]

You'd be surprised.

Looking at the head on him I probably wouldn't.

On a related point I just have the greatest respect for gerrard. To get as far as he ahs in the game without a forehead is a great achievement. :ball:

[sadloserkid]

Still in agreement with you LFC In Exile but I think that the club has to be expecting to take a lot of flak for letting two recognised strikers out the door in the one week. It's a very, very peculiar decision and one that I think everybody would love to see answered.

[jebus]

Can myself, Nempton, SLK and the rest of us who told you we should have retained Mike Kerley's services before the season started say we told you so yet? :D :confused: :D

[Nempton]

TOLD YOU SO :D


If these things were happening at United would Peter Gill sit down with fans and explain them? I don't think so

Of course he wouldn't, the poor guy wouldn't have a clue whats going on. He'd probably tell you to go speak to his brother David who's on the Utd board I suppose a bit like Danny Drew telling you to go talk to his wife who's the real boss of Limerick :D

[4tothefloor]

JoeSoap is talking s**t and has been for a while now. No matter how much you spin joe, you can't paper over the facts. Whats going on is ridiculous, and is exactly why almost everyone on here wasn't happy about the butchers return. NOC hasn't a clue, his team can't even pass the fcuking ball, yet here he is letting one of his best players and grafters go. Might I add that McCarthy was being played out of position all along as well :rolleyes:

Professional? Professional my balls, and to compound things we are playing the worst brand of football I have ever seen from a Limerick team. The football is putrid, complete utter s**t. The proof was there last night, the fans are staying away. I think we should boycott a few games because as far as I can see the only thing that Drew understands is money. Whats the point supporting a team, and shelling out good money to see them when this is how they treat the players? Whats the point if we are not interested in getting promoted? It's a load of b*****ks joe, and you know it.

[lim abroad]

maybe noc has a bout of mad cow disease?? might explain his recent managerial decisions!!! :eek: :eek: :D

[LFC in Exile]

TOLD YOU SO :D



Of course he wouldn't, the poor guy wouldn't have a clue whats going on. He'd probably tell you to go speak to his brother David who's on the Utd board :D

Sorry, Nempton. But I am obviously not as au fait with the personalities of that foreign league as you are. Too interested in my own country's football probably. :)

[LFC in Exile]

Still in agreement with you LFC In Exile but I think that the club has to be expecting to take a lot of flak for letting two recognised strikers out the door in the one week. It's a very, very peculiar decision and one that I think everybody would love to see answered.

You are spot on. All of the criticism over the sale of Carthy and loss of CP is deserved.

It is a bit ironic though if they criticised for losing CP. I feel only I can criticise that one. :)

[sadloserkid]

It is a bit ironic though if they criticised for losing CP. I feel only I can criticise that one. :)

You must be distraught! ;)

Personally I'm tempted to say that losing one striker was careless, losing the second was the silver lining! :D

[declan hide]

[QUOTE=4tothefloor]I think we should boycott a few games QUOTE]

dont be stupid. while all the recent goings on have been ridiculous, do you really want to make it worse?

[Nempton]

Originally by LFC In Exile
Sorry, Nempton. But I am obviously not as au fait with the personalities of that foreign league as you are. Too interested in my own country's football probably. :)

No problem :) Its only because I noticed similiar fans protests like our own occurring that I stumbled across this club called Man Utd :confused:
Our chairman would be shocked if he knew that even at a professional club like Utd that there are fans protests. But he can take solace from the fact that he is not the only chairman with unappreciative fans, if only those fans would all sing from the same brainwashing hymn sheet as Danny, imagine what a wonderful world it would be ;)