Derek McCarthy is gone to Waterford-end of story. It could be a very good move for Derek from a football perspective, and if the management don’t see him as part of their immediate plans, then he’s better off playing elsewhere at a high level where he can improve himself. On reflection, this could very well be the making of Derek McCarthy, big time. He’s a great character, and a fine footballer, but if this matter gets dwelt upon for much longer, it’s not going to do him any favours either. I’m sure that all Derek wants to do now is play football, and Waterford needing strikers, could be the best for him right now.
I totally understand the fans dismay and shock at this move, but surely the same fans can see beyond their noses and respect the decision made by the club. I’m not saying to agree with it, but to respect it. Since last January, the club have done very little wrong, especially off the pitch. On the pitch, every manager has his favourite formations and systems and genuinely believes in them. I don’t think for one second that Noel O’Connor has made one decision that he feels is not in the best interests of the club, nor has he made team selections out of personal bias. He is too professional for that, and his team selections are what he considers will do the best job. He will be the first to admit that if he doesn’t perform to the standards set by the club, then he will lose his job. Anyone that knows him will know that he loves the game and the club too much to jeopardise that. Again, these are club decisions, decisions that given all the bad times the club has had in the past years should be respected. Again, respected is the key word, not liked, or agreed with necessarily, but given the benefit of the doubt and respected.
Unfortunately too much of the clubs private business gets broadcast and aired in public. This should stop. Slagging matches on here should stop too, and I include myself in that. This club has massive potential, both on and off the pitch. Communication between the club and fans is not what it should be, agreed, but the demands made by certain individuals on this forum are ludicrous in the extreme, and are so unreasonable. The facts are simple; Danny Drew runs the club off the pitch. He rescued this club from extinction and has been very professional in the way the club has regained its credibility on the National stage. He will make some bad decisions, everyone does, but his good decisions will far outweigh those bad ones, and already have. Noel O’Connor runs the club on the pitch. The same comments apply. If it wasn’t for them, then we wouldn’t be playing this season. Fact.
Nobody is going to agree with everything. Tough decisions are going to be made. But rest assured the determination to make the club successful will always be there. I think that we should, and hope we can, learn to accept that things aren’t going to be always as we wish, but nothing is in this life. Lets start to pull together instead of opposite directions and maybe a happy atmosphere will start to rub off again on the pitch. After all, we’re still in the running, even after all of this.
Joe Please stop adding fuel to an already raging fire and please stop being PR for the Club on this forum
More players have left and have been treated with no respect.
This forum is for all EL Fans to express their opinion, be they ill judged or formed, and that is our right to do and this will continue to be done.
JohnD
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
John, I'm not adding fuel to anything, and I think you know me a bit better than that. Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours.It should not be bandied about on this forum for the whole world to see.Originally Posted by JohnD
I'm an EL fan too John, and if you read my posts I never try to stifle anybody from commenting. I haven't done so in this case either.
Theres two sides to this, and until both sides start to understand where the other is coming from, then nothing will be resolved. All I'm saying is that maybe its time for a bit of give and take from all parties.
Fair enough. I accept your point about the fuel. The tone of your post however, IMO, reads like a Press Release from the club
On your point that
Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours
I fundamentally disagree with. We pay the wages of the players and have a right to comment on the comings and , in this case, goings at the club. It is our Club afterall not just whovever happens to own it at the time of writing.
Also The club have yet to tell us why they are offloading so many players, the real reasons for the selection of those players and who is replacing them. Until this happens there is always going to be speculation.
btw all my posts have been expressing personal opinions not that of the Supporters' club.
all the best
JohnD
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
I can't see how you can say this when Limerick's players have voiced their concerns over preferential treatment of certain squad members.I don’t think for one second that Noel O’Connor has made one decision that he feels is not in the best interests of the club, nor has he made team selections out of personal bias. He is too professional for that, and his team selections are what he considers will do the best job.
Not meant to...its just how I see thingsThe tone of your post however, IMO, reads like a Press Release from the club
I don't think anyone is denying the right to comment, or be aggrieved, but the demands being made (not by you) by some are simply laughable. Cork City are arguably the biggest club in the country, and I'm sure have a lot more annoyed fans than we do, but equally their supporters have no say in team selections or transfer activities.On your point that
Player activity is down to players and management, and is no concern of ours
I fundamentally disagree with. We pay the wages of the players and have a right to comment on the comings and , in this case
This goes back to my point about too much private club business is becoming public knowledge. Team selection, or non-selection, is a matter for the manager and his players only, and should provide the rest of us with healthy debate for the pub or this forum where we speculate on what we would do if we were manager etc......Surely players should use more effective methods of airing grievances rather than filling fans rumour mills.
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I see what you're saying Joe, but It'd be extremely naieve of you to think it doesn't happen at every level be it amateur ot pro. Be that as it may, you have heard the players thoughts, so how do you think NOC is still acting in an utmost professional capacity.
Nobody has a problem with a manager making a decision to get rid of a player.The problem arises when the 'manager' doesn't have the decency to let the player know what his decision is and lets somebody else do his 'dirty' work.Please don't tell me that you think this is any way to conduct the affairs of a club that is supposed be professionally run.
It is therefore the right of people to know 'both sides' of the story because at the moment there is only one side getting out 'there' because a reporter will talk to people in charge of the club for information, not just any JoeSoap
That was the was football was run in the 1950's where chairmen ran the show, but probably not the way a top manager would do in a modern club.
Finally, welcome to the Internet my friend, the place where propaganda and spin no longer holds sway and can be nulified by fans. The same fans that deserve more respect from the club who seem to be running scared that fans now know exactly whats going on.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
I think there are two sides to all issues, and this issue in particular does not directly concern us. So, as I'm not in full possession of all the facts, then I'm not prepared to speculate. Even if I was, its not my concern so I'd just leave it to the concerned parties.
I think you'll find the manager has spoken directly to all players concerned personally.
And I for the umpteenth time on this site, say that I welcome fans opinions and criticisms on this forum. However I only pay attention to the ones that are contructive, genuine and make sense.The Internet, my friend, works for everyone.
The same club that perhaps deserves more respect from the fans, given all thats gone on over the past 8 months, not few weeks.
He may have eventually but that was 3 days after it was made known to the player that he was leaving the club and it was the player that made the FIRST phone call even then. These are the FACTS JoeSoap so don't even try to suggest otherwise. So your telling me that this is the way you treat loyal players to the club. Otherside of this forum JoeSoap, I know for a fact that you would completely agree with me but I suppose sometimes that dollar is worth more than the moral.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
Damn...you've sussed me...if only I wasn't getting paid €100,000 a year by the club to fight fires with all of ye.....
I'd advise all players to get onto the PFAI. The treatment in the dressing room has escalated to a level where legal action can be taken and according to the solicitor I have spoken to easily won by the players.
As for all the off the pitch stuff. We have been lied to.
Stewards?
Licencing?
Seating?
Plans for development?
Lease?
Regular meetings between the club and supporters club?
Everything isn't fine off the pitch either. It started well but unfortunately it has turned into a farce which is only second to the goings-on in the dressing room.
Friday will tell a lot....
"Anyone who's Soapy should be flushed and anyone who's a Deserter should be shot."
- John Purcell (Limerick FC Commercial Manager), February 2004
If you are involved with the club and people in the higher echelon know who you are on here (and also frequent this site) anything derogatory you say on here towards management will be held against you. So we cannot expect you to give us your honest opinion. Therefore anything you say is tainted as you have a vested interest. Now after a few pints in Flannerys I'm sure we would hear a totally different JoeSoap. So I don't blame you but don't expect me to take you views as 100% honest either.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
LFC Sixty/Eighty:
Ha ha! Great comeback!
"Anyone who's Soapy should be flushed and anyone who's a Deserter should be shot."
- John Purcell (Limerick FC Commercial Manager), February 2004
The only football I talk about in Flannerys concerns Junior football, Man Utd, Ireland or is of a rugby nature...Nice of you to to excuse me from blame for my opinions though..
Joe, and offence is intended here, at this stage you're talking so much sh!t you may aswell pull you pants down and start walking on your hands cause no-ones going to tell the differance.
Theres so much wrong with pretty much everything you have said on this thread that it boggles the mind to the point where I can't even condense this into point form, all I can say is, you sir are an idiot. Oh actually on one of the points about no-one trying to stop fans expressing their viewpoints, if thats the case why is it that yourself and Chairman Willie find it necessary to tell us that what goes on in and around the club is none of our business and we should stay out of it?
Jebus, to be crowned an idiot by one so skillfully adept and knowledgeable in that area is a compliment indeed....I thank you.
way to tip toe around the questions being asked of the club again Joe, you certainly earn your money
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