Setanta

[carrickharp]

See an advert on Setanta that they have "live" Eircom League every Friday, how is delayed coverage live anyway tonight it’s Shels v Derry and next Friday it’s Pat’s v Shels the same night the NW derby between Derry and Harps is on. Should this station be called Sheltanta :mad:

[Dazzy]

See an advert on Setanta that they have "live" Eircom League every Friday, how is delayed coverage live anyway tonight it’s Shels v Derry and next Friday it’s Pat’s v Shels the same night the NW derby between Derry and Harps is on. Should this station be called Sheltanta :mad:

That is a joke, one of the best derbies outside bohs/rovers but i say ours is the best and this is an example of how cheap and undedicated these stations are.

I wonder if Derry and Cork are tied on points in the last game of the season and the winner gets the title will they finally move outside Dublin to Turners Cross then :eek:

[EnDai]

Nah, they'll show the sentimental last game of Rovers in the top flight, etc.

[ColinR]

the problem is outside the fans of either club, the general interest would not be that high, and pretty much all fans of both clubs will be at the match and not watching it on tv.

and as everyone seems to like to see shels lose, its easier to just keep showing shels for a tv audience.

for the same reason, if rte shows a cup match in the next round, you can gaurantee it wont be us against craptown, as pretty much all the interested parties will be at the match, wherever its going to be ;)

[Dazzy]

if it helps im interested in the Louth derby for the cup ;)

But If there is no interest in Derry-Harps how much more interest will be in Shels-Pats.

[harpskid]

But If there is no interest in Derry-Harps how much more interest will be in Shels-Pats.

I guarantee you that the NW Derby would generate A LOT more interest than Shels-Pats.

Our derby is the best in the country in terms of atmosphere and they're always cracking games to watch.

The people who aren't there are the losers Dazzy, we know what it's about!

[Dyl10]

I guarantee you that the NW Derby would generate A LOT more interest than Shels-Pats.

Dont be silly any game involving shells would generate more interest because after last years european run they are the team of the moment and the team that people who dont follow EL can relate to most

[higgins]

I guarantee you that the NW Derby would generate A LOT more interest than Shels-Pats.

Go ahead then and tell us all how it would be of more interest?

[pete]

I don't care if Setanta are a commercial station but showing Shel$ every week amounts to a subsidy fopr Shel$ as Setanta pay them + their sponsors get greater coverage.

TV deals should include some allowance for spreading the games shown.

City v Bohs should be shown next 1st v 4th with decent enough crowd expected.

[Slash/ED]

Pats Shels games aren't what they used to be though, but at least they're showing games. We spent forever moaning about no games on TV now we're moaning about games on TV.

[BohDiddley]

I don't care if Setanta are a commercial station but showing Shel$ every week amounts to a subsidy fopr Shel$ as Setanta pay them + their sponsors get greater coverage.

TV deals should include some allowance for spreading the games shown.

City v Bohs should be shown next 1st v 4th with decent enough crowd expected.
Spot on Pete!

[Slash/ED]

TV deals should include some allowance for spreading the games shown.


Yes and no, while it should be spread around there's certain teams who's stadiums just aren't upto being put live on TV and it would only look absolutley rubbish and do more damage than good if they did show them.

[pete]

Yes and no, while it should be spread around there's certain teams who's stadiums just aren't upto being put live on TV and it would only look absolutley rubbish and do more damage than good if they did show them.

Tell me why no league games from league leaders ground shown then? The cross is better than Richmond Park. If Setanta were concerned with showing grounds that looked good they wouldn't be showing 1500 people at Tolka or Inchicore.

[Slash/ED]

Tell me why no league games from league leaders ground shown then? The cross is better than Richmond Park. If Setanta were concerned with showing grounds that looked good they wouldn't be showing 1500 people at Tolka or Inchicore.

You're right about Cork being shown, they should be, and you missed my point. Cork are one of the teams who's home games should be shown.

[Schumi]

See an advert on Setanta that they have "live" Eircom League every Friday, how is delayed coverage live anyway
I don't think it said "live" on the ad. though. I think it said something like "full coverage".

[centre mid]

Yes and no, while it should be spread around there's certain teams who's stadiums just aren't upto being put live on TV and it would only look absolutley rubbish and do more damage than good if they did show them.

Thats rubbish, why should a team be penalised by not getting the money from T.V. coverage just because their ground isnt soft of the eye, :mad:

[Macy]

Thats rubbish, why should a team be penalised by not getting the money from T.V. coverage just because their ground isnt soft of the eye, :mad:
More to the point how do they get the money to improve it?

And besides Tolka doesn't look that good on the tele - the Drumcondra end looks like there's nothing behind most of the time, the main stand looks like the shed it is and from the gantry you can't even see the whole bloody pitch.

Doesn't excuse not going to Turners Cross, Flancare, Brandywell which all look fine on the TV....

[Poor Student]

I don't think it said "live" on the ad. though. I think it said something like "full coverage".

At what time is it being shown?

[niamh]

Where are most of Setanta's viewers based?

...Dublin

If there was a sudden increase in subscription in other parts of the country, I would think they would take that into account.

[Schumi]

At what time is it being shown?
Don't know. I think Pats-Drogs was at 10:00 or something so probably similar.

[Drumcondra Red]

In fairness now, its the same as the match of the day situation showing Manchester Utd every week when they were champs, we've won 2 titles in a row and had an excellent european run too, which made a lot of people sit up and take notice, 20,000 anyone???

But tbh where I'd expect to see a lot of Shels live, I'd hope they'll show more of other clubs too!

[Schumi]

Don't know. I think Pats-Drogs was at 10:00 or something so probably similar.
9:45 according to Setanta site (http://www.setanta.com/content/setanta/website.nsf/tvscheduleie?open&count=1000&expandview&pageid=60352b99ec847a4b80256e860013872f&parentpageid=6b8c2e174528a4e680256e74006a3432&).

[Slash/ED]

Thats rubbish, why should a team be penalised by not getting the money from T.V. coverage just because their ground isnt soft of the eye, :mad:

Because they're trying to promote the league and show it in a positive light, if the grounds look awful on TV the matches and the league will too no matter how good they actually are.

[EnDai]

Well after Bohs/Rovers and Bohs/Pats, I think they decided at least something happens in Shels games (even if its just getting to see them lose), cuz the other games were mind numbingly boring!! ;) :cool:

[dancinpants]

20,000 anyone???

Did most of them not turn up to watch Depor? :confused:

[Speranza]

The coverage of our match has just started on Setanta and it appears that its free, hope it stays that way. :)

That possible merge talked about a while back appears to have happened, the tool McDowell on Setanta said "Derry City vs Shelbourne Rovers" nice to see a harmonious end to recent hostilities :D

[sullanefc]

Where did it say that the game was on at 9:45?? The Shels V Derry game is on now and is LIVE!!!

[jorge]

In fairness now, its the same as the match of the day situation showing Manchester Utd every week when they were champs, we've won 2 titles in a row and had an excellent european run too, which made a lot of people sit up and take notice, 20,000 anyone???

Never mind Match of the Day these are completly different things.Setanta show live matches not highlights.

[mypost]

I think posters here are pulling hairs when complaining about the games shown. It's an unavoidable fact in this country, that most people live in Dublin, most of the national media outlets are based in Dublin, and almost half of the Premier Division teams are based in Dublin, so of course, that is going to be reflected in the coverage of NL games. They're hardly going to start traipsing to Cobh, Limerick, or Sligo to cover live First Division games now, are they??

First, people moaned about the lack of tv coverage in the league. Then they moaned about TV3's coverage. Then it was about games shown on tv always being Dublin derbies, then it was about games with match commentaries as Gaeilge, now it's about the coverage of Dublin teams. No matter what happens, people will whinge. Yes, it's unfair that Dublin teams are shown regularly, but it's hardly surprising given the current set-up, and demand for glamour in this country. The Dublin teams are glamourous, they attract the viewers, they are close to the media's head offices, so they are going to get the most coverage on tv. Fact.

I believe that Setanta's LOI coverage is going to shake up this league, and people's perception of it. They will have games live, and deferred, with regular repeats shown during the following week and beyond. They also innovated the successful Setanta Cup, and market their games well, in comparison to other stations piecemeal coverage. The more the league is shown, the more people watch it, the more people come to games, the more money clubs get, which in turn is invested in a more professional playing set-up at club level, which makes a better product, while improving facilities at NL grounds, thereby encouraging even more people to attend games. Setanta's coverage is going to revolutionise this league, in the same way that Sky's revolutionised English football. The LOI really needs decent coverage, and Setanta are able, and
more importantly willing, to provide it. :)

[A face]

The Dublin teams are glamourous, they attract the viewers


Yeah, sure aren't they beating the gates down every week to get in and see them :eek: ....... Dubland and all that goes with, more glamourous ??? Where did you come up with that ?? ...... would i be right in saying that half of Dublin thinks eL teams there are scum, how you can say glamourous is beyond me.

I agreed with alot of the sentiment of that post .... but alot of the content is just garble in fairness !!

[pete]

Saw some of the delayed repeat of match last night.

Riverside - empty (looked particularily weel when could see from camera at Ballbough end :eek:)
Ballybough - 100
Lego Stand - 500?
Main Stand - 1000?

Couldn't hear any shels fans, just Brandy Army...Brandy Army...

:rolleyes:

[MariborKev]

Couldn't hear any shels fans, just Brandy Army...Brandy Army...

:rolleyes:

Phantom song there Pete, think you are getting mixed up with "Stephen KKenny's Red and White Army

Also Ollie was in the Riverside on his own, acting as ballboy and abusing the linesman.

Ollie, No Friends
Ollie, No Friends

[pete]

Phantom song there Pete, think you are getting mixed up with "Stephen KKenny's Red and White Army


I could here that too but don't ye have some Bandy song?

:confused:

[MariborKev]

I could here that too but don't ye have some Bandy song?

:confused:

That would be the infamous "Randy Brandywell" or the lesser spotted "Sunday at the Brandy"

[Dazzy]

I could here that too but don't ye have some Bandy song?

:confused:

Nope, Theres only one red army and its us!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was that it?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well I was hoping it would be TG4's turn to show a game next Friday as I don't have Setanta and my lot are away on Sunday in Waterford and I can't go. So no footie for me next Friday then :(

[Troy.McClure]

I think posters here are pulling hairs when complaining about the games shown. It's an unavoidable fact in this country, that most people live in Dublin, most of the national media outlets are based in Dublin, and almost half of the Premier Division teams are based in Dublin, so of course, that is going to be reflected in the coverage of NL games. They're hardly going to start traipsing to Cobh, Limerick, or Sligo to cover live First Division games now, are they??

etc

etc



While I accept a lot of your arguement, I think the point is that Setanta are only showing Shels games. Dalymount is a great place for tv cameras and always looks good on tv, so that leaves Bohs and Rovers that could be shown from there. Also Bohs have the best league form at the moment and 2 former internationals in thier team. Setanta also didnt have any problems broadcasting from the X.

Also if Setanta want to get subscriptions outside of Dublin maybe they should show games outside Dublin? If people see it as an exclucive Dublin channel then they wont be interested in it :o

[sullanefc]

If Setanta want to attract as many Dublin viewers as possible then they are going about it the wrong way entirely.

a) Firstly they are showing Shels games, and they have no Fans anyway so that doesn't leave a lot of people left watching at home.

b) Surely any Dublin fans interesting in watching a game in Dublin would actually go to the game rather than watch it on TV.

c) and to continue with point b), showing games outside of Dublin (but featuring a dub team) would make more sense cos then you'd be attracting viewers who would want to watch the game but maybe couldn't make the away trip.

[Troy.McClure]

b) Surely any Dublin fans interesting in watching a game in Dublin would actually go to the game rather than watch it on TV.


Ya, thats always puzzled me when derbies are shown

[EnDai]

But derbies are typically meant to be good games, and a good advertisement for the league. I can't go to Richmond on Friday, so delighted the game is on live ;)

[Slash/ED]

Not quite live, it's on delayed transmission. Setantas coverage starts after the final whistle.

I also can't go as I'll be at Oxygen by then, I'd say a few will be in the same boat.

[joema]

b) Surely any Dublin fans interesting in watching a game in Dublin would actually go to the game rather than watch it on TV.


I see what you are saying but maybe they (setanta) choose to show dublin derbies on tv because people at home dont think it is safe to bring the kids

[Rebal Boy]

I think Setanta should show City vs Bohs live and have full defereed coverage of Derry City vs Finn Harps or the other way around which ever. Have Shels a serect deal with Setanta that we don't know about. :mad: :confused: I wouldn't be surprised if they had. Shels are no longere the best team in the eircom league. CIty are. :) Then come Derry. ;)

[pineapple stu]

I think Setanta should show City vs Bohs live and have full deferred coverage of Derry City vs Finn Harps or the other way around which ever.
Definitely. The point about the grounds is valid, but is kind of moot for the likes of Derry v. Harps, when the ground will be fairly full anyway. Even crappy grounds look good when full. I think every effort should be made to feature at least every Premier Division team (not necessarily at home) for the simple reason of giving exposure to as many teams as possible and giving them the benefits of extra sponsorship opportunities, etc. to avoid the top teams getting further ahead.

Obviosuly fair dues to the stations for showing this level of interest, and obviously the top teams should be shown more often, but there's no excuse for not mixing things around a bit. I think the recent Cup games - the likes of the finals and the semis, some of which had First Division teams in them and many of which had lower teams in them - shows that these games can be just as good as Dublin derbies.

[mypost]

While I accept a lot of your arguement, I think the point is that Setanta are only showing Shels games. Dalymount is a great place for tv cameras and always looks good on tv, so that leaves Bohs and Rovers that could be shown from there. Also Bohs have the best league form at the moment and 2 former internationals in thier team. Setanta also didnt have any problems broadcasting from the X.

Setanta are not only showing Shels games. They showed the Pats-Drogheda game recently, but even though they have a poor fan base, Shels have earned the right to have their games shown. They are unique as they are a) the current champions, and b) the best known club with barstoolers after their European achievements last season.

Except for the derbies, games in Dublin rarely get big crowds, as there are 4 clubs competing for support. Cork, on the other hand, is a one-club city. If there were several clubs in Cork, they wouldn't be getting 6-7,000 for home games.

Alternatively, there are clubs like er,...UCD that they could show!! :eek: :D

[Troy.McClure]

Setanta are not only showing Shels games. They showed the Pats-Drogheda game recently,

Ok, mainly Shels games so


but even though they have a poor fan base, Shels have earned the right to have their games shown.

The 'right to have their games shown'??? :confused:


They are unique as they are a) the current champions, and b) the best known club with barstoolers after their European achievements last season.
a) Currently they have religation form
b) Rovers are the most recognisable club (after all, most Dublin barstoolers used to follow Rovers when they were in Miltown :rolleyes: )


Except for the derbies, games in Dublin rarely get big crowds,
And not even then sometimes!


as there are 4 clubs competing for support. Cork, on the other hand, is a one-club city. If there were several clubs in Cork, they wouldn't be getting 6-7,000 for home games.

Ya, but because Dublin is more than 4 times bigger than Cork, that rules out that arguement


Alternatively, there are clubs like er,...UCD that they could show!!

Well, if they were playing... Shels :rolleyes:

[Shelsman]

This is unreal. A TV station finally takes the eL seriously and yet all the Cork Sh!tty fans find a way to gripe about it!

:mad:

:rolleyes:

:D

[pete]

I thought it was a good move for Setanta to show Shels v Cork City live on that monday as might have encouraged more subscriptions in Cork.

Most people in Dublin get Setanta included in NTL subscription so not likely to encourage much extra subscribers.

Overall i think Setanta are just lazy & are going for easy local option. If you look that their summer schedule is feck all live sport so IMO they are showing more games as they are desparate to fill schedule.

[jorge]

yet all the Cork Sh!tty fans


I would guess Cork hve better support than Shels. :rolleyes:

[Shelsman]

Overall i think Setanta are just lazy & are going for easy local option. If you look that their summer schedule is feck all live sport so IMO they are showing more games as they are desparate to fill schedule.

I suspect so too, but am not complaining! Besides, the quality of some of the games ( and goals ) has been very good.