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Plus, Shels always lose in front of the cameras, I'd've thought you lot would be delighted! You can thank Setanta if you win the league :p
mypost
11/07/2005, 4:04 AM
Currently they have religation form.
Shels are second in the league. They had a bad patch, but it's not relegation form. Shels don't know the meaning of the word "relegation". :rolleyes:
Ya, but because Dublin is more than 4 times bigger than Cork, that rules out that arguement.
No, it doesn't actually, it reinforces it. 6-7,000 people go to games in Cork, but not much more than 10,000 people go to games in Dublin. The Dublin area is a lot smaller than the Cork one, and 4 clubs are competing for support in Dublin. That's why there are poor crowds. If it was a one city team, they would get far bigger crowds at games.
My only gripe about Setanta is that they show live, or deferred games while most of the other games are going on also, or are just finished. Their live games should be on a Saturday evening, when more people can watch them.
Setanta are scheduled to show the Rovers-Derry game. But as Rovers could face a winding up order earlier in the day, there is a serious risk of the game not going ahead at all. :( :(
Rovers - Derry live on Setanta this Friday @ 7:30. :)
The Dublin area is a lot smaller than the Cork one, and 4 clubs are competing for support in Dublin. That's why there are poor crowds. If it was a one city team, they would get far bigger crowds at games.
:confused:
The city of Dublin has a population of over a million and is much, much bigger in area than Cork, or did you not know that???:confused:
dcfcsteve
11/07/2005, 9:27 AM
Shels don't know the meaning of the word "relegation". :rolleyes:
Really ? So what happened to you in 1985 - the very first time that relegation was introduced into Irish football ? I'll admit that most of the PARENTS of your fans now probably weren't even born then, but surely falling at the first hurdle in Irish football should be a bad enough memory to see through any collective amnesia...?
Just out of curiousity, let's see which of the other big clubs in the league have to-date ever been relegated :
Cork..? No.
Derry...? No - though we did manage to end-up in a superb play-off once.
Bohs - came close, but no.
Rovers - no (though this season is looking a bit ominous).
St Pat ? - no.
Fancy that - seems like only Shels of the 'big' clubs in the league have ever been relegated. And at the very first time of asking as well ! Maybe Shels fans should have a better understanding of the word 'relegation'.... :eek: :D
kevincronin2000
11/07/2005, 11:20 AM
Rovers v Derry this friday
dcfcsteve
11/07/2005, 12:06 PM
Rovers v Derry this friday
At last - a game not involving Shels !
But STILL one played in Dublin ! Why ??? I know this week's fixtures aren't great overall, but surely Drogs v Cork is the plum tie of the series ? Louth is hardly far from Ath Cliath.... ?
This pretty much confirms what we all know - Setanta are just lazy mutha feckas......
EnDai
11/07/2005, 12:39 PM
This could be Rovers last game, its historical :) ;)
ColinR
11/07/2005, 12:42 PM
well setanta do seem to like the friday night slot, and with our game being moved to sunday, it was very unlikely that they would show it
dcfcsteve
11/07/2005, 12:47 PM
This could be Rovers last game, its historical :) ;)
True.
It could also be the end of your title illusions for 2005 if you fail to beat Longford on Friday, which would be of equal historical note ! Hey - maybe that's why Setanta have been covering so many Shels games of-late....? :p
EnDai
11/07/2005, 12:55 PM
We played that game about 3 weeks ago, it was brough forward, and we got the 3 points from it! :p :D
dcfcsteve
11/07/2005, 1:24 PM
We played that game about 3 weeks ago, it was brough forward, and we got the 3 points from it! :p :D
Apologies for my lack of intimate knowledge of the Shels fixture list..... :cool: :)
You're still only a few defeats away from looking unlikely to win the league though, which is why I'm convinced Setanta have been hanging round you like vultures, looking to capture another classic 'Olly goes Bananas' moment if and when it happens..... :p
Slash/ED
12/07/2005, 1:12 AM
Really ? So what happened to you in 1985 - the very first time that relegation was introduced into Irish football ? I'll admit that most of the PARENTS of your fans now probably weren't even born then, but surely falling at the first hurdle in Irish football should be a bad enough memory to see through any collective amnesia...?
Just out of curiousity, let's see which of the other big clubs in the league have to-date ever been relegated :
Cork..? No.
Derry...? No - though we did manage to end-up in a superb play-off once.
Bohs - came close, but no.
Rovers - no (though this season is looking a bit ominous).
St Pat ? - no.
Fancy that - seems like only Shels of the 'big' clubs in the league have ever been relegated. And at the very first time of asking as well ! Maybe Shels fans should have a better understanding of the word 'relegation'.... :eek: :D
He's a Rovers fan you clown.
mypost
12/07/2005, 2:56 AM
Really? So what happened to you in 1985
What happened in 1985? We won the league and cup double. Happy days. :)
pineapple stu
12/07/2005, 1:04 PM
The Drogheda forum (http://drogs.irishfootie.net/viewtopic.php?t=3622) says the Dundalk website says Dundalk v. Drogheda is the live Cup game at the end of next month.
August 26th apparently. Saw it somewhere last night, probably in this thread somewhere! Will be a cracking match! And in Oriel with the new pitch too! :)
Slash/ED
12/07/2005, 4:42 PM
The Drogheda forum (http://drogs.irishfootie.net/viewtopic.php?t=3622) says the Dundalk website says Dundalk v. Drogheda is the live Cup game at the end of next month.
I read that somewhere too, the game has even been moved for the TV so it's more than likely true. I'm suprised but pleasantly so, it's the one tie I really wanted to watch.
pineapple stu
12/07/2005, 9:27 PM
And we're playing Longford away the next day, so for once I'll actually get to watch! Don't think I've seen any game outside the Setanta Cup live this season (only chance was Rovers-Bohs on the opening day when we played on the Wednesday, but I was at that match).
mypost
27/07/2005, 5:48 AM
:confused:
The city of Dublin has a population of over a million and is much, much bigger in area than Cork, or did you not know that???:confused:
Time to get out that dusty atlas, ahem!!
Now, when you leave the very small city of Dublin, you can be in Meath, Kildare, Wicklow or beyond, in less than an hour, whereas when you leave Cork City heading North, you can still be in Co. Cork 90 minutes later!!
The Cork region is enormous compared to Dublin, so it's no surprise that a one-club city can have regular big crowds at it's home games, given the size of the place. Dublin is small in comparison, and has 4 clubs and 2 amateur ones all competing for support against each other, with the same amount of NL fan base as Cork City. That explains why Shels have a relatively poor fan base, and Cork has so much.
Time to get out that dusty atlas, ahem!!
To compare the county of Cork with Dublin you'd also have to include Wicklow, Kildare & Meath. Its like comparing 300k to 1,300,000.
The reason some Dublin clubs fail to attract fans is lack of community. I don't think your average dubliner identifies with any club in the City.
sullanefc
27/07/2005, 9:13 AM
Will be a cracking match! And in Oriel with the new pitch too! :)
Did that synthetic pitch actually get built? I read an article in Ireland on Sunday (before the season started) that the club ran into financial trouble over the pitch.
Sullanefc, http://drogs.irishfootie.net/viewtopic.php?t=3697
sullanefc
27/07/2005, 10:18 AM
Cheers Cosmo. I hope it works out for them.
Slash/ED
27/07/2005, 12:15 PM
The reason some Dublin clubs fail to attract fans is lack of community. I don't think your average dubliner identifies with any club in the City.
that's exactly it. When your average Cork man with no interest in the EL sees Cork have done well he'll be happy, straight away he sees it's Cork City playing and straight away he feels that's his team, even if he'll never go out to support them there is already a connection made.
Your average dubliner sees St Pats, Shelbourne, Shamrock Rovers, UCD, CHF and Bohs and they mean nothing to him whatsoever. There's no connection made between him and the clubs and so there is a much much smaller chance he'll go out and support them at any stage. The only EL club with that sense of community that I can see is Pats.
When your average Cork man with no interest in the EL sees Cork have done well he'll be happy, straight away he sees it's Cork City playing and straight away he feels that's his team, even if he'll never go out to support them there is already a connection made.
Its the exact same in Dublin. How many Shels fans will be at Tolka tonight? 3000? How many neutrals along for the big occasion?
Pointless debate but have to have Last Word ;)
sullanefc
27/07/2005, 1:47 PM
that's exactly it. When your average Cork man with no interest in the EL sees Cork have done well he'll be happy, straight away he sees it's Cork City playing and straight away he feels that's his team, even if he'll never go out to support them there is already a connection made.
Your average dubliner sees St Pats, Shelbourne, Shamrock Rovers, UCD, CHF and Bohs and they mean nothing to him whatsoever. There's no connection made between him and the clubs and so there is a much much smaller chance he'll go out and support them at any stage. The only EL club with that sense of community that I can see is Pats.
I agree entirely. And I said the same thing on the "Phrase that Pays" thread. An advertising campaign should be put together to get the people of Dublin thinking about which club they support.
Many EL fans also watch the English PL. Why not have it the other way around.
There are many people in Dublin who follow soccer across the water. But they have no association with a club in Dublin. If they had to sit down and think about and eventually decided on a club then they would be more likely to come. A clever advertising campaign asking the question "What's your team?" with a catchy tune could achieve this.
Slash/ED
27/07/2005, 1:47 PM
Its the exact same in Dublin. How many Shels fans will be at Tolka tonight? 3000? How many neutrals along for the big occasion?
Pointless debate but have to have Last Word ;)
Europe is the exception. Last year Cork got a sell out crowd of 7,400 for a big league match v Bohs, I don't think Dublin teams get near the same floating support as the public don't see the same instant connection with the team as a Cork man would instantly with Cork City, someone from Sligo with Sligo Rovers etc etc
As if I'd let anyone get in the last word :p
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