Festy Ebosele D Istanbul Basaksehir b.2002

[Diggs246]

How willing is a player to risk injury with such a deal ? Mind you ~ trying to be careful nearly guarantees you to be injured ~ So a weird situation.

Never a more true word said.
Lads backing out of tackles and lads hesitating are the ones getting injured

[Olé Olé]

Never a more true word said.
Lads backing out of tackles and lads hesitating are the ones getting injured
The only solution would be to not play at all but he probably needs all the games he can get to keep developing.

[Insidetherock]

Reported to be having a medical today ahead of a summer move to Udinese.. might start seeing Irish players coming from all over Europe to future internationals

[seanfhear]

Reported to be having a medical today ahead of a summer move to Udinese.. might start seeing Irish players coming from all over Europe to future internationals
Can we be sure that these European clubs will be all that keen on that ?

[Demesne Lad]

According to www.the72.co.uk (http://www.the72.co.uk) (Tues 9 Feb), it was Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio who came up with the story that Festy was having a medical prior to a transfer to Udinese in the summer. However, Wayne Rooney was naturally interested to hear this 'news' and made enquiries. “I spoke to the player and the club, and no one has been in touch with either the administrators or the player.” It seems young Festy and his girlfriend were in Italy on a short break!

[Insidetherock]

Just scored against Hull and had an assist for the second goal... and he's absolutely terrorising the Hull defence

He's playing the same kind of position as Ogbene.... would hate to be a right back spending 60 minutes running after one of them, only to see him subbed off and the other come on and spend another 30 minutes doing their Usain Bolt impression

[elatedscum]

Festy just scored a lovely goal. On SkySports if anyone is interested... Also had a non-assist assist for the second goal... meanwhile Knight got an assist, nice cross, for the first goal...

[Diggs246]

Any link for the goal

[Olé Olé]

Any link for the goal

https://twitter.com/KennysKids/status/1491154004172500994?s=20&t=rjyahKenZYzK-NE636YuNA

His non assist is a thing of beauty too. The way he stands up the full back and the picks the most efficient line he could possibly take to stride last him and towards goal.

https://twitter.com/KennysKids/status/1491147143734005760?s=20&t=rjyahKenZYzK-NE636YuNA

Will he get a call up in March?

[Diggs246]

Thanks

[tommy_c12000]

Just watched the game. Festy was excellent, best I’ve seen him. He has improved so much every month. He has to be embraced and introduced in March. He has leapfrogged Ogbene and co in my book. He is producing it at championship level and has a ridiculously high ceiling. His athleticism and pace are incredible. Of course, a lot of things to improve upon which international football will help him further refine. He will be moving on in the summer to a higher level. Start him in March please and blood him in. Thanks

[tetsujin1979]

Do you think he'd be better off with the U21s?
They're playing Sweden away at the end of March
Maybe he'll be in the squad v Belgium, and the link up with them in Stockholm?

[elatedscum]

Do you think he'd be better off with the U21s?
They're playing Sweden away at the end of March
Maybe he'll be in the squad v Belgium, and the link up with them in Stockholm?

Interesting that he couldn’t break the match day squad for the 21s in November against Sweden. Smallbone played the first half on the right wing, Tierney in the centre and they switched in the second half, Ferry replaced Tierney on the right wing. Over on the left, Wright started and was replaced by Ollie O’Neill. Meanwhile, Ebosele, Okoflex and Kerrigan were left out of the match day squad…

[third policeman]

Do you think he'd be better off with the U21s?
They're playing Sweden away at the end of March
Maybe he'll be in the squad v Belgium, and the link up with them in Stockholm?

I think he already merits a place in the senior squad. It’s early days, but he looks like an outstanding talent, and we don’t have enough of that available.

[Exgrad]

Interesting that he couldn’t break the match day squad for the 21s in November against Sweden. Smallbone played the first half on the right wing, Tierney in the centre and they switched in the second half, Ferry replaced Tierney on the right wing. Over on the left, Wright started and was replaced by Ollie O’Neill. Meanwhile, Ebosele, Okoflex and Kerrigan were left out of the match day squad…

Really shows how quickly things can move on...i don't see any issue with him building up some international expereince at u21 level and being dropped into the senior squad. Ogbene is performing to a high level at top of L1 as well. Can't see how Horgan makes the next squad.

[ifk101]

I'd keep him in the U21 (for now). There are exciting aspects to his play but his positional reading of the game is a bit off, I don't think he is technically great, and there's sloppy elements defensively (see the Hull goal last night).

[Stuttgart88]

I'd call him up. The sheer disruption he can introduce to games would be a real asset to us.

[ColourfulPeanut]

I'd call him up too. We don't need him to start and play right back for 90mins. He should be used as an impact sub who will cause mayhem with his pace.

Pace kills at every level and he could literally be the quickest player we've ever had. His acceleration from a standing still position to beat the defender on the assist last night was insane.

[DeLorean]

No brainer to call him up (and play him) imo. He's more than ready physically and what better way to help iron out some sloppy elements than to give him experience at a high level, when the results are not paramount.

[backstothewall]

I'd definitely call him up. My attitude on this is that Robbie Keane was old enough at 17 years old and 9 stone dripping wet. Get him in and get him involved. We may need him sooner rather than later. Seamus Colman will be 34 by the end of the year and Doherty may be needed at left back. Having a replacement with some international experience can only be a good thing by the time Euro qualification comes around this time next year.

[SkStu]

I'd keep him in the U21 (for now). There are exciting aspects to his play but his positional reading of the game is a bit off, I don't think he is technically great, and there's sloppy elements defensively (see the Hull goal last night).

All of this is true from what i have seen of him over the last few months. But i would still call him up to our senior set up! He is a difference maker.


His acceleration from a standing still position to beat the defender on the assist last night was insane.

One of the things i have noticed is how he almost always receives the ball from a standing still position. It drives me insane but then he just batters his way down the pitch :)

[Olé Olé]

I'd keep him in the U21 (for now). There are exciting aspects to his play but his positional reading of the game is a bit off, I don't think he is technically great, and there's sloppy elements defensively (see the Hull goal last night).

I dunno. Like what's he going to learn from under 21 football that he won't from all the Championship games he is playing?

[pineapple stu]

I think he's worth a look given that wing-back is a position we're going to need replacements soon. We've five very solid players there (Doherty, Coleman, Stevens, Brady, McClean), but they're all the wrong side of 30. Having a look at a new option in the March games mightn't be any harm.

He may be a bit raw, but he's a regular starter for a decent team in the second tier, and there's plenty of players in the squad we can't say that about.

[JR89]

I'd call him up too. We don't need him to start and play right back for 90mins. He should be used as an impact sub who will cause mayhem with his pace.

Pace kills at every level and he could literally be the quickest player we've ever had. His acceleration from a standing still position to beat the defender on the assist last night was insane.

Would like to see him as back up to Ogbene. Think he'd be more effective for us playing in the final third rather than at RWB.

[ifk101]

I dunno. Like what's he going to learn from under 21 football that he won't from all the Championship games he is playing?

I'm not against his call-up to the seniors, even if I have some reservations. But beat Sweden and we have a real chance of winning our U21 qualification group. Shouldn't we give priority to a key U21 qualification game above a senior friendly international?

[JR89]

Anyone new called into the squad in March, and there probably will only be a few, will be done so with a few to the Nations League games in the summer. So more than just a friendly game it's a chance for the coaches to look at you closer within the squad and how you get on.

[Exgrad]

He played with a full back behind him yesterday btw, and think his most effective performances have been when positioned further up the pitch and with less defensive duties. Effectively he will be a right winger for us, initially at least.

[Olé Olé]

I'm not against his call-up to the seniors, even if I have some reservations. But beat Sweden and we have a real chance of winning our U21 qualification group. Shouldn't we give priority to a key U21 qualification game above a senior friendly international?
But what if his off positional reading, technical inadequacies and sloppy elements of his defence cost our under 21 side qualification?

[ifk101]

But what if his off positional reading, technical inadequacies and sloppy elements of his defence cost our under 21 side qualification?

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

[tetsujin1979]

Five year contract with Udinese confirmed
https://www.udinese.it/Apps/WebObjects/Udinese.woa/wa/viewSection?id=58019&lang=ita

[SkStu]

Axed by Rooney for a “bad attitude”. Hard to know exactly what that means. From all accounts about Ebosele as a pro and a person, it’s hard to see that he’d be a negative force around the squad. Possibly distracted by his move to Udinese…?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/relegated-rams-axe-ireland-underage-star-festy-ebosele-over-attitude-41568440.html

[seanfhear]

Axed by Rooney for a “bad attitude”. Hard to know exactly what that means. From all accounts about Ebosele as a pro and a person, it’s hard to see that he’d be a negative force around the squad. Possibly distracted by his move to Udinese…?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/relegated-rams-axe-ireland-underage-star-festy-ebosele-over-attitude-41568440.htmlSeems to be a lot of players with bad attitudes around these days.

[JR89]

Axed by Rooney for a “bad attitude”. Hard to know exactly what that means. From all accounts about Ebosele as a pro and a person, it’s hard to see that he’d be a negative force around the squad. Possibly distracted by his move to Udinese…?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/relegated-rams-axe-ireland-underage-star-festy-ebosele-over-attitude-41568440.html

Yeah sounds like he's mentally checked out before his move in the summer and Rooney probably felt he wasn't getting 100% commitment. Has mostly been a sub lately with one start in his last six games. They've been starting another young lad Malcolm Ebiowei, whose started the last 8 games at RW ahead of Festy.

[elatedscum]

as much as i love festy, what i heard from someone within the 21s camp wasn't great.

essentially in march, he came into camp, trained, and with the 21s playing 5 at the back and no wingers, he was told or it became apparent he wouldn't start - and he was of the opinion that he wouldn't play at all (he didn't make the match-day squad vs sweden in november). so he basically said if he wasn't gonna play, there was no point in him travelling. he had too much to sort with his pending move, people to see etc etc. but the coaching staff thought it was totally out of order for him to say that and act that way... it was officially put down as 'family reasons'

festy's a lovely kid and he's as much as you can tell from the outside, he's probably not really being handled properly by crawford but he's still very much a teenager

[Demesne Lad]

Wayne Rooney contrasting Ebosele's attitude/commitment unfavourably with that of Luke Plange: Wayne Rooney stance on Festy Ebosele farewell ahead of transfer after Derby County axe - Derbyshire Live (derbytelegraph.co.uk) (https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ebosele-wayne-rooney-derby-county-6996902)

[Stuttgart88]

At least he's not paying grannies for sex

[JR89]

At least he's not paying grannies for sex

Sick burn, you really put Rooney in his place there. Ebosele is 19 turning 20, if he even gets half way near the level that Rooney was at 19 he'll have a very good career.

Hopefully he's smart enough to listen to someone like Rooney who'd be the first to tell you he also had attitude problems, rather than sulking and maybe thinking "at least I didn't pay grannies for sex" like a kid on internet would thinking he's funny.

[Razors left peg]

Rooney had a lot more going on throughout his whole career than just the granny thing. He was immensely talented and his career stats are great, but Im always left with the feeling that he should have done more if he had looked after himself. Rooney was never a great professional right up to the end of his career, seem to remember a story from one of his last England camps where he crashed a wedding out of his mind drunk.

I always compare Rooney to Ronaldo. Both at United at same time at a young age. Initially you would have said Rooney was better. It was Ronaldos sheer work rate that built the player he is today, whereas Rooney just relied on his talent and looked finished by his late 20s.

It seems like Festy has become a bit of a d1ck of late, but I do find it a bit rich that Rooney is criticizing anyone for attitude issues.

[pineapple stu]

It seems like Festy has become a bit of a d1ck of late, but I do find it a bit rich that Rooney is criticizing anyone for attitude issues.
In fairness, that's his part of his job as manager. What Rooney did a dozen years ago or whenever it was shouldn't stop him doing his job. (If anything, it may mean he knows what he's talking about more)

[Razors left peg]

What Rooney was doing was right up to when he retired, he never copped on and became a good pro

[pineapple stu]

But should that stop him doing his job as manager?

[Razors left peg]

No, but we are allowed to call him out for hypocrisy because of it. Two things can be true at the same time. Hes right to suggest that Festy maybe wasnt handling the move properly, but its also right that Rooney himself is full of it.

[pineapple stu]

I do find it a bit harsh or unhelpful though. Irrelevant even. It's like a dig at Rooney for the sake of it. A bit of "I know you are, but what am I"?

Just my two cents anyway.

[Razors left peg]

Why is it harsh or unhelpful to call out bullsh1t on the people that are supposed to be developing these young players.

[seanfhear]

Even that Granny couldn’t get Rooney to change his ways.

[pineapple stu]

Why is it harsh or unhelpful to call out bullsh1t on the people that are supposed to be developing these young players.
Is it bull**** though? People here seem to agree that Ebosele has developed a bit of an attitude problem lately. I don't know if it's true or not, but JR89, elatedscum and even you have agreed that he's not been entirely professional lately, and no-one has anything to say in his defence. If it's true, his manager is entirely right to call him out on that. I'd always be wary of going public with that sort of stuff, but maybe he's done it as a last resort; I don't know.

I do know that saying "Yeah, well Rooney was a bit of a dick too" isn't calling anyone out. It's effectively attacking the poster, not the post.

Also, whatever about Rooney's off-field antics, I think he generally applied himself properly to his game, otherwise he wouldn't have become the player he was. If he sees Ebosele getting carried away with himself or whatever the issue is, then again, I think he's right to call that out and the fact Rooney paid grannies for sex isn't really relevant.

[Stuttgart88]

Jesus Christ lads, it was just a trivial joke not a RFP for a dissertation on the relative character traits of the two players.

[pineapple stu]

For what it's worth, I did think your post was nicely wry!

[elatedscum]

Also, whatever about Rooney's off-field antics, I think he generally applied himself properly to his game, otherwise he wouldn't have become the player he was.

Didn’t Rooney smoke 20 a day through his entire career?

[Razors left peg]

Didn’t Rooney smoke 20 a day through his entire career?

Rooney is also the one who put Jason Knight out of action for a couple of months with a heavy tackle in training this season.

I have no problem with him saying that Ebosele went off the rails a bit, but I think he is also full of crap.

"The way I work, if you are off it, you can’t play, you will not play whether we are fighting relegation, fighting for trophies, you won’t play.”

With that line you would think he was the ultimate pro as a player.