Just announced on Newstalk - Rovers future at Dalymount

[Réiteoir]

Main points of statement just read out:


Bohemians condemn the action of some Rovers spectators after the game Friday night.

Extensive damage caused to seating and advertising hoardings.

Use of Dalymount to be decided by the Bohemians Committee on a match by match basis after the game against Fanad this weekend.

Any more trouble of any kind by Rovers spectators and the Committee will meet to decide whether eviction notices are to be served

[Anto McC]

Bottlers

[De Town]

Good enough for Rovers :ball:

[Éanna]

from what I understand, a sizeable amount of rovers fans don't want to stay in dalymount anyway

[Réiteoir]

Statement in full:

Newstalk106 can exclusively reveal that Bohemians have issued Shamrock Rovers with a stark warning over the use of Dalymount Park, after the crowd trouble which marred last Friday's clash with Bohs. The Bohs board met this evening. They condemned the actions of some Rovers fans, claiming they their actions endangered the opposition supporters as well as the players who were warming down on the pitch, and that significant damage was done to seating and advertising hoarding around the pitch. Rovers will be allowed to use the stadium for Sunday's FAI Cup game against Fanad, but after that game, the use of the stadium by Rovers will be decided "on a match-by-match basis." A spokesman added that if there is any more serious trouble involving Rovers fans, then Bohs will have to consider their position very carefully.

[De Town]

from what I understand, a sizeable amount of rovers fans don't want to stay in dalymount anyway
Do they not realise that if they get thrown out, other clubs might not take them in :rolleyes:

[Slash/ED]

Do they not realise that if they get thrown out, other clubs might not take them in :rolleyes:

Indeed, I think they want to go back to Santry though.

[Éanna]

Do they not realise that if they get thrown out, other clubs might not take them in :rolleyes:
they were talking about moving back out to santry, to the morton stadium, from what I've read on their forum, they'd have no problems getting in there

[De Town]

I suppose they could get in there. If they went looking to another eL club to share grounds though, I'd say they would be told where to go.

[aido_b]

Bohs Press Officer gave me this statement at the time the groundshare was announced ...

"The Board of Directors of Bohemian Football Club have advised Shamrock Rovers that the ground share arrangement can be terminated if we believe it is in the best interests of Bohemian Football Club to do so. We do not see this being invoked unless there is serious trouble or disturbance. We also have a clause in the contract where Shamrock Rovers must provide insurance and indemnity from the FAI whereby any damage caused would immediately be paid for by the FAI and they would then require Shamrock Rovers to pay them back in due course. While we do not anticipate any such difficulty we felt that it was in the best interest of our club to include this in any agreement."

In my opinion Rovers actions last week constitute "serious trouble and disturbance". The FAI will be picking up the tab for the damage too judging by the above statement.

[patsh]

Statement in full:

Newstalk106 can exclusively reveal that Bohemians have issued Shamrock Rovers with a stark warning over the use of Dalymount Park, after the crowd trouble which marred last Friday's clash with Bohs. The Bohs board met this evening. They condemned the actions of some Rovers fans, claiming they their actions endangered the opposition supporters as well as the players who were warming down on the pitch, and that significant damage was done to seating and advertising hoarding around the pitch. Rovers will be allowed to use the stadium for Sunday's FAI Cup game against Fanad, but after that game, the use of the stadium by Rovers will be decided "on a match-by-match basis." A spokesman added that if there is any more serious trouble involving Rovers fans, then Bohs will have to consider their position very carefully.
Bohs "will have to consider their position very carefully".
Bohs "issued ... a stark warning"
Bohs "condemned the actions "

All talk. Bohs need the money, they are not going to do anything about Rovers....

The big pub are almost as much in the sh*t as Rovers are.......

[Macy]

All talk. Bohs need the money, they are not going to do anything about Rovers....
Exactly. It would suit Rovers to be chucked out, given the difference in costs between Dalyer and Santry. Mind you probably more punishment to say that they'd have to see out the deal. :D

btw From what I've read, another great example of crowd control by the cops... :rolleyes:

[Redzer]

they were talking about moving back out to santry, to the morton stadium, from what I've read on their forum, they'd have no problems getting in there
How would Santry cope with the club"license" laws?

[Macy]

How would Santry cope with the club"license" laws?
About the same as Belfield, United Park, Finn Park etc etc... The infrastructure elements just require plans now, as the Government funding never came through. Since Tallaght is still on the cards they'd get away with Santry.

[BohDiddley]

Bohs need this hooligan virus hanging around Dalymount like we need a hole in the head. Of course we need the money: what EL club doesn't? But we, and the rest of the league, do not need to be associated with scumbags.
What's most disgusting about this episode is that no one from Rovers has condemned the actions of their thugs. When Bohs fans transgress, even though they have done nothing on this scale in recent memory, they get a roasting on our MB. On the SRFC Ultras board, they're havin' a love-in. Instead of responsible voices who want to isolate the thugs and concentrate on football and supporting their club -- it's not as if they don't need as much as they can get -- they have tried to claim credit for how 'hard' :rolleyes: they are, while at the same time they blame everyone, including the cops, for their stupid stunt. It was the cops' fault for not stopping them, it was the cops fault for bringing dogs, it was the stewards fault for not being organized (at a Rovers home game) and it was Bohs fault for having the timerity for singing songs with some cruelly pointed lyrics directed at them.
Let's be clear about this: this was no pitch invasion; it was an out-of-control charge in numbers towards gardai and peaceful opposing fans. At league level, at club level, and at the level of individual fan, you either approve of thuggery and keep your hoolie cred, or you condemn it.

[WeAreRovers]

Bohs "will have to consider their position very carefully".
Bohs "issued ... a stark warning"
Bohs "condemned the actions "

All talk. Bohs need the money, they are not going to do anything about Rovers....

The big pub are almost as much in the sh*t as Rovers are.......

That's it in a nutshell, the statement was like being savaged by a dead sheep. As Patsh says Bohs are ******ed whereas by Friday we'll be back in court to announce the arrival of a new investor. We'll be debt free and looking to the future for thre first time in a long time.

Bohs on the other hand are nearly €2 million in debt themselves with now way out of it in the forseeable future. And all because of their failed dalliance with professionalism and success - neither of which fit with the Bohs way of doing things. Hence the "stark warning"

KOH

[Macy]

Boh Diddely, fair play there's plenty of threads on the Bohs mb condemning Bohs fans/BSC/Whatever. However, most of them are about your clubs continued inaction against those elements. Whilst as fans you may lay claim to some sort of moral high ground, BFC certainly can't imo, unless they're willing to take action, and enforce it, against their own too.

From what I've read on both sides MB's, the cops have to take at least some responsibility for allowing the situation to develop. As ever, if fans hadn't reacted there would've been no problem, but if that was a solution there wouldn't be cops needed at the game anyway...

If there's anything more pathetic than the "only show for bohs games" Rovers fans, it's the "no one else's can be criticised, ever" Bohs fans. :rolleyes:

[pete]

Its a disgrace that the FAI are picking up the tab for Rovers vandalism.

[ThatGuy]

That's it in a nutshell, the statement was like being savaged by a dead sheep. As Patsh says Bohs are ******ed whereas by Friday we'll be back in court to announce the arrival of a new investor. We'll be debt free and looking to the future for thre first time in a long time.

Bohs on the other hand are nearly €2 million in debt themselves with now way out of it in the forseeable future. And all because of their failed dalliance with professionalism and success - neither of which fit with the Bohs way of doing things. Hence the "stark warning"

KOH
We will soon see :rolleyes:

Have you not learned anything over the last 5 years?

[Macy]

Its a disgrace that the FAI are picking up the tab for Rovers vandalism.
They're not really though - they're going guarantor in effect. The FAI pay Bohs, Rovers pay the FAI.

[pete]

They're not really though - they're going guarantor in effect. The FAI pay Bohs, Rovers pay the FAI.

Fair enough but not fair that FAI even acting as guarantor as be surprised if would do for "Provincial" club. If true is also a disgrace that FAI loaned cash to SRFC.

[WeAreRovers]

We will soon see :rolleyes:

Have you not learned anything over the last 5 years?

The difference this time is Examinership - it's now gone legal meaning we go out of business or start afresh with new owners. That's the whole point.

And yes, we've learnt a lot over the past five years. That's why we used the 400 Clubs financial muscle to get rid of Maguire and co and to effectively save the club in the short term.

How do you lot plan on reducing your €2 million debt? A raffle maybe?

KOH

[Réiteoir]

They're not really though - they're going guarantor in effect. The FAI pay Bohs, Rovers promise to pay the FAI. Rovers don't pay tha FAI. The FAI let Rovers off.

Fixed

[Macy]

Fixed
That's the FAI's problem with not enforcing it, and carrying on acting guarantor.

[Slash/ED]

I can't believe you're all falling for well placed Ollie Byrne propeganda, Rovers have no hooligan problems whatsoever. This incident clearly did not happen, it was Sporting Lisbon fans, can you not tell the difference?

[WeAreRovers]

I can't believe you're all falling for well placed Ollie Byrne propeganda, Rovers have no hooligan problems whatsoever. This incident clearly did not happen, it was Sporting Lisbon fans, can you not tell the difference?

No one's denying what happened on Friday which is totally different to Ollie's fantasies re the Setanta Cup Final. Go back to sleep, Ollie will wake you up when he needs your sycophantic support again.

KOH

[Slash/ED]

No one's denying what happened on Friday

Actually as ever people are, read your own board. "It's the gardais faul!" "No wait, it's the Bohs fans fault!" "Ah sure nothing happened anyway, they were only taking a stroll!" "Bohs ran away hahaha....not that there was anything to run away from, sure nothing happened, and it was everyone elses fault anyway" and all of the usual sh*te that follows when Rovers are involved in an incident, ie, everyones fault but your own, and sure nothing happened anyway.

[WeAreRovers]

Sorry to disappoint you, I said No one's denying what happened on Friday the argument is over who's to blame and why it happened.

Ollie, on the other hand, made up his accusations out of thin air which is why we challenged him and got the evidence to back it up.

BTW where's Ollies evidence about the said incident? We're still waiting.

KOH

[Slash/ED]

Sorry to disappoint you, I said No one's denying what happened on Friday the argument is over who's to blame and why it happened.

I'll help out the investigation so.

1) The rovers fans who ran at the Jodi stand

2) Because they're thugs.

Another case closed.

[BohDiddley]

Sorry to disappoint you, I said No one's denying what happened on Friday the argument is over who's to blame and why it happened.

Ollie, on the other hand, made up his accusations out of thin air which is why we challenged him and got the evidence to back it up.

BTW where's Ollies evidence about the said incident? We're still waiting.

KOH
Now that you're back on topic, having failed in your bizarre attempt to divert the thread into a discussion of Bohs' finances and yours, is it fair to ask, since you don't deny it, whether you condemn or even disown the actions of those SRFC supporters involved?

[aido_b]

The difference this time is Examinership - it's now gone legal meaning we go out of business or start afresh with new owners. That's the whole point.

And yes, we've learnt a lot over the past five years. That's why we used the 400 Clubs financial muscle to get rid of Maguire and co and to effectively save the club in the short term.

How do you lot plan on reducing your €2 million debt? A raffle maybe?

KOH

A Rovers fan bragging about how well his club is doing! Lets put this into perspective ... Rovers are doing **** in the league, They may well be thrown out of Dalymount in the next few days, They have crippling debts, They have a half finished stadium. Anyone care to add anything else,

KOH get your own shop in shape and then start slagging off other clubs problems, its fans like you and those other scum who took part in Fridays bull**** who give Rovers and the League a bad name.

[Macy]

KOH get your own shop in shape and then start slagging off other clubs problems
Couldn't that be aimed at Bohs and the BSC too though?

[WeAreRovers]

Now that you're back on topic, having failed in your bizarre attempt to divert the thread into a discussion of Bohs' finances and yours, is it fair to ask, since you don't deny it, whether you condemn or even disown the actions of those SRFC supporters involved?

I brought up Bohs finances because it's another example of the head-in-the -sand attitude at Bohs eg. Rovers are going out of business and no mention of your own €2 million debt. The same goes with Rovers are scum and no mention of the Bohs scum who recently hospitalised a number of Rovers fans.

Bohs hypocrisy sickens me and has done for nearly 30 years. Nothing ever changes in D7. Nobody was hurt last Friday, whereas the same can't be said for the incident at the Mill a few weeks ago.

As for me condemning or disowning Rovers fans over last Friday, you'll have a long wait. NOBODY WAS HURT. Have a look at your own house first and cut out the sanctimonious guff (although I think it's inherent with Bohs fans)

KOH

[Slash/ED]

I brought up Bohs finances because it's another example of the head-in-the -sand attitude at Bohs

As for me condemning or disowning Rovers fans over last Friday, you'll have a long wait. NOBODY WAS HURT.

Brilliant.

[BohDiddley]

I brought up Bohs finances because it's another example of the head-in-the -sand attitude at Bohs eg. Rovers are going out of business and no mention of your own €2 million debt. The same goes with Rovers are scum and no mention of the Bohs scum who recently hospitalised a number of Rovers fans.

Bohs hypocrisy sickens me and has done for nearly 30 years. Nothing ever changes in D7. Nobody was hurt last Friday, whereas the same can't be said for the incident at the Mill a few weeks ago.

As for me condemning or disowning Rovers fans over last Friday, you'll have a long wait. NOBODY WAS HURT. Have a look at your own house first and cut out the sanctimonious guff (although I think it's inherent with Bohs fans)

KOH
Ah, the old 'nobody died' line. (Second time today I've read that, the first, incidentally, was on the Bohs MB as a justification for the KRAD policy!). So we should wait until someone is hurt until this is taken seriously?
The Mill was, by all accounts, an arranged meeting between your so-called casuals and ours, and in this context is a red herring. Nevertheless, I'm happy to say that I despise anyone behaving like that in Bohs' name even more than I despise your hooligans, because they bring our club into disrepute. That is a view shared by other Bohs fans, and surely by all right-thing football supporters when it comes to the hoolie element in their clubs. But it's hard to find a hoop who isn't inclined to indulge some form of apologia for your thugs. Worse, going by the rhetoric on your MB, many of you are openly proud of them.

[superfrank]

I don't know why Bohs fans are complaining so much, their fans are hardly exemplary either.

There's the whole Bray incident. Fans storming the pitch, inciting our fans, shouting in player's ears, etc.
And they only got fined 200euros!!!!! :mad:

[BohDiddley]

Really, that's just silly.
We could go into how those who took part were criticised by other Bohs fans and by the manager, something which has yet to happen in the case of SRFC, but the two events simply do not compare.

[superfrank]

You're right they don't compare. The Bohs fans were alot worse.

[Slash/ED]

Really, that's just silly.
We could go into how those who took part were criticised by other Bohs fans and by the manager, something which has yet to happen in the case of SRFC, but the two events simply do not compare.

In fairness, Bohs need to do more to. Fans is one thing, but your board at this stage surely know who those casual godbsh*tes are, why do they still put up with them?

[joeraki]

Bohs need this hooligan virus hanging around Dalymount like we need a hole in the head. Of course we need the money: what EL club doesn't? But we, and the rest of the league, do not need to be associated with scumbags.


So I take it the bohs casuals have finally gone away, never to be seen again ??

I've seen these scumbags first hand at a game. never mind fighting but drug dealing of all things !! I seen it outside the toilets near the main bar at a game back in April v Cork. A little group of them all huddled round handing out bags of white powder then going into the toilets, a few of them would of been teenagers but the guys handing it out certainly weren't, I was coming out of the toilets at the time and just went back into the bar. I happened to mention it to someone, answer I got was "sure that goes on every game" like it was no big deal.

[thomas]

I dont know if people were in the same placew as me on friday because the ammount of BS being spouted is unbelievable.

1. Rovers fans waited for 20 minutes at the end of the game.

2. Bohs fans wern't leaving and a lot of people got hot under the collar because the gards were not doing anything to move them on.

3. About 40 people ran onto the pitch towards the bohs fans and stopped short of the halfway line.

4. These people, Rovers and Bohs fans, then left the ground.

5. The Gardai have admitted to Rovers that their poor tactics and lack of chain of command on the night resulted in a few Bohs fans getting scared and a few ad boards being knocked over.

Most people are sick of this debate already.

Get over it.

[A face]

Most people are sick of this debate already.

You better believe it ..... for all my time supporting that national league i'd say at league 60%-70% of all news bites i have heard that concern Rovers has involved trouble from their fans ....... "sick of this debate" ... that is a complete understatment, so much so it is way off the mark !!


Get over it.

When Rover get their act together !!

I still believe Rovers should be made compensate all eircom League clubs for the damage they are doing to the league. They are getting away with this trouble issue far too easy ..... i know there are decent fans etc. etc. .... it am not concerned about them .... it is the trouble makers who are causing the problems and the club is enabling them to continue with their lack of action.

[Réiteoir]

I dont know if people were in the same placew as me on friday because the ammount of BS being spouted is unbelievable.

1. Rovers fans waited for 20 minutes at the end of the game.

2. Bohs fans wern't leaving and a lot of people got hot under the collar because the gards were not doing anything to move them on.

3. About 40 people ran onto the pitch towards the bohs fans and stopped short of the halfway line.

4. These people, Rovers and Bohs fans, then left the ground.

5. The Gardai have admitted to Rovers that their poor tactics and lack of chain of command on the night resulted in a few Bohs fans getting scared and a few ad boards being knocked over.

Most people are sick of this debate already.

Get over it.

1. It was 12-14 minutes before any incursion occured - not 20 minutes

2. We normally enjoy a smoke and a chat outside our bars after every game - you're forgetting - it's OUR stadium

3. You seem to be 100 short there boyo - and it was all Rovers fans - no Bohs contingent was involved in any trouble after the game

4. Wrong - we stayed in the bars minding our own business - the Rovers fans by all intense purposes were forecably removed from the stadium for causing trouble - and rightly so

5. "A few ad boards getting knocked over" - more like purpousfully damaged - along with seating. - YOUR SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS - YOUR PROBLEM

[mypost]

I don't know why Bohs fans are complaining so much, their fans are hardly exemplary either.

There's the whole Bray incident. Fans storming the pitch, inciting our fans, shouting in player's ears, etc.
And they only got fined 200euros!!!!! :mad:

But sure, all Bohs fans are sweet innocent angels, aren't they? Of course, Rovers fans only fight with themselves, don't they? Funny then, that many a Friday night Bohs-Rovers game in Dalyer, has seen Phibsborough turned into a battleground before, and after the game. The truth is, Bohs fans are just as responsible, as Rovers fans for trouble caused. Trouble has surrounded this fixture since 1994. As most of them are on Friday nights, Alcohol is often a major factor in sparking off the trouble, allowing both clubs' fans to drink all day before the game, then ruin the night for everyone else later on.

I personally hate them, but the sooner this fixture is permanently moved to a weekend afternoon kick-off, the better for all concerned. History has shown that the games are easier to police, and have always passed off peacefully when played in the afternoon.

[BohDiddley]

But sure, all Bohs fans are sweet innocent angels, aren't they? Of course, Rovers fans only fight with themselves, don't they? Funny then, that many a Friday night Bohs-Rovers game in Dalyer, has seen Phibsborough turned into a battleground before, and after the game. The truth is, Bohs fans are just as responsible, as Rovers fans for trouble caused. Trouble has surrounded this fixture since 1994. As most of them are on Friday nights, Alcohol is often a major factor in sparking off the trouble, allowing both clubs' fans to drink all day before the game, then ruin the night for everyone else later on.

I personally hate them, but the sooner this fixture is permanently moved to a weekend afternoon kick-off, the better for all concerned. History has shown that the games are easier to police, and have always passed off peacefully when played in the afternoon.
I think you're half-way towards a solution there. The real answer will be the relegation of the shams, something every other club should work towards. Solve the problem on the pitch.

[thomas]

1. It was 12-14 minutes before any incursion occured - not 20 minutes

>Thats not at issue.

2. We normally enjoy a smoke and a chat outside our bars after every game - you're forgetting - it's OUR stadium

>Thats not at issue

3. You seem to be 100 short there boyo - and it was all Rovers fans - no Bohs contingent was involved in any trouble after the game

>140, grand so.

4. Wrong - we stayed in the bars minding our own business - the Rovers fans by all intense purposes were forecably removed from the stadium for causing trouble - and rightly so

>I saw loads of Bohs fans run to the front of the stand looking to join in, except for the gards it could have got nasty with bohs fans doing a charge of their own. Both sets of fans ran towards each other and did nothing.

5. "A few ad boards getting knocked over" - more like purpousfully damaged - along with seating. - YOUR SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS - YOUR PROBLEM

>Our security arrangements were overruled by the Senior Gard on duty, so it became his problem and he has since admitted as much since.

I'll give you an accurate tot on the number of seats damaged whenm I get itif you want. As for the ad boards, I suppose they are un useable now? no, didnt think so.

[Roverstillidie]

i love the hypocricy of the boyezzzz fans. 40 bsc attack 3 rovers fans with bricks, hospitalising them, its all ok because it was 'arranged' (how do you know that btw).
100 bsc refuse to leave the jodi because we have to stay in the rain until they do, some hoops get onto the pitch and front them, the bsc **** their pants and leg it, its 'rovers animals'
get real. there were no choirboys in that stand.

the game was badly policed. were armed gardai really necessary? the cops were more aggressive and confrontational than normal on the connaught, while refusing to do jack **** in the jodi. both john noonan, the rovers head of security and dave carpinter from the steering commitee asked to speak to the garda in charge after the game and were told to f*ck off. uneccessary.

[bohs til i die]

i love the hypocricy of the boyezzzz fans. 40 bsc attack 3 rovers fans with bricks, hospitalising them, its all ok because it was 'arranged' (how do you know that btw).
100 bsc refuse to leave the jodi because we have to stay in the rain until they do, some hoops get onto the pitch and front them, the bsc **** their pants and leg it, its 'rovers animals'
get real. there were no choirboys in that stand.

the game was badly policed. were armed gardai really necessary? the cops were more aggressive and confrontational than normal on the connaught, while refusing to do jack **** in the jodi. both john noonan, the rovers head of security and dave carpinter from the steering commitee asked to speak to the garda in charge after the game and were told to f*ck off. uneccessary.


Just to clarify a few things

1. there was no 'bsc' in the Jodi on Friday. there was a few of them outside the Long bar having a drink/smoke when the 100 Rovers fans got onto the pitch. This is fact, because I was in the Jodi stand, in the area in front of Block E. You would have been 100 yards away. I think that makes me better qualified to say who was and wasnt in the Jodi.

2. ONE Bohs fan got onto the pitch and stuck his finger up at Rovers fans

3. The incident outside the Mill was a disgusting, despicable act, which is a prime example of everything that is wrong with Bohs-Rovers fixtures. I also know for a fact this was arranged based on what I heard on the Saturday morning, before any word of hospitals etc. Those involved from the Bohs side would have been in Drogheda, and I dont think it was by chance they came across a group of Rovers fans in the Mill.

I dont give a toss about people getting put in hospital for openly participating in football related violence. I couldnt care less about them.


4. Rovers fans got onto the pitch, and yes a good few people ran. You and many other Hoops see that as something to be proud of, but what about the parents who were still there with kids etc. Surely they can only be expected to get out of there?

[thomas]

4. Rovers fans got onto the pitch, and yes a good few people ran. You and many other Hoops see that as something to be proud of, but what about the parents who were still there with kids etc. Surely they can only be expected to get out of there?

We agree on something! Bad policing meant that Normal people could not leave when they should have been able to leave.

[bohs til i die]

We agree on something! Bad policing meant that Normal people could not leave when they should have been able to leave.

Im talking about Bohs fans, with their children making a hasty exit, not anything to do with what went on over on Connaught street.