TONIGHT'S games 25th OCT [Archive] - Page 2

Dalymountrower

29/10/2019, 2:49 PM

Any short term move into Tolka Park while Dalymount is being re-developed is likely to bring it's own set of challenges for Bohs, the off-pitch momentum and progress that they have made over the last few years is little short of extraordinary. The average attendance from Owen Heary's final season in 2014 to Keith Long's 5th season in 2019 has increased by 100% from around 1400 to over 2800 per match.

Qualifying for Europe may bring it's own set of pressures by creating new expectations for Bohs in the coming seasons, but it also brings new finance and new excitement for fans in the short term.

Shelbourne being back in the premier division hardly has much bearing on the progress at Bohs other than the positive potential of adding another local rivalry into the mix. Shelbourne will have plenty of big challenges in the seasons ahead - if they should be watching Bohs closely, that perhaps that should be focused on learning how to grow a club in the community and create positive matchday experiences

Agree with the above, although no particular strong feelings about Shels one way or the other, it will be an extra four "derby" games. I grew up around Tolka and other than match days there has never been a Shels " presence " around Drumcondra. Hope they do well , as our next manager is learning the ropes there, but not at our expense.

sbgawa

29/10/2019, 3:46 PM

I am definitely not having a go at you sbgawa, just continue to be baffled by this "plan" of theirs.

Bohs have had little to no on-the-pitch success over the last 7 years other than surviving as a top flight club. During that time we have managed to grow our membership, grow our core and have captured more than our fair share of the floating fan / football tourist market. Our brand is far stronger than Shels and our platform is more sustainable. I agree that investment in Shels is something of a risk but i dont see it the same way as you do - it is not an either/or. If they are successful they will attract more fans but they will not eat into our fanbase or be able to materially hijack the brand that Bohs have built. At the height of Shels' success earlier this century, they were only attracting around 2k fans to league games iirc. What will change?

To what extent will they continue to be invested in do you think? To achieve meaningful success, they have to break through the ceiling of Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers which is going to require a lot more than what it takes to be best in the first division. I dont know how serious their backers are. I really dont.

I also dont know if they are doing the basics right (marketing, community outreach, youth model) and if they are not, it really just means that it will all come crashing down around them, again, sooner or later.

Bohs have averaged between 1500 and 2000 per year for the last 7 or 8 years and this year it jumped to 2800.
Having a successful season is a big part of the reason for that as much as any good work in the community so a poor season next year could see the attendance's drop off.
If anything expectations will be higher next year having qualified for Europe.
In that scenerio if Shels are having a better go of it on the pitch then they become the media darlings,
Ironically the ongoing dithering and pushing back of the stadium may dissuade any investment for a while.
Looking at Peak6 in Dundalk and Dermot Desmond in Rovers its not a stretch to say a club in Dublin with a new Stadium (i live in hope) might be investable and all the more investable with a bit of onfield success

Ezeikial

29/10/2019, 5:22 PM

SkStu

29/10/2019, 5:34 PM

Bohs have averaged between 1500 and 2000 per year for the last 7 or 8 years and this year it jumped to 2800.
Having a successful season is a big part of the reason for that as much as any good work in the community so a poor season next year could see the attendance's drop off.
If anything expectations will be higher next year having qualified for Europe.

A fair analysis of the data just doesn't prove the above out. In the last two seasons of the data below we were playing in and qualifying for European action. We weren't getting even 1500 per game. The jump from 2016-2019 is +1200 per game average attendance over that period, coinciding with a lot of the work that was being done in the community. We jumped ~400 in one season and ~850 over the next 2 with, admittedly, 700 of that in the last season. Our average attendance was around 3100 in the first series of games (when nobody knew how well we would do) before it tapered off during our most successful season in the last 8-9. I just don't see how you can draw the conclusions you have.

I agree that our challenge will be to sustain it at the 2700-2900 mark as we are fairly limited in how much more it can grow.

Bohs - 2,856 (2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)

In that scenerio if Shels are having a better go of it on the pitch then they become the media darlings,
Ironically the ongoing dithering and pushing back of the stadium may dissuade any investment for a while.
Looking at Peak6 in Dundalk and Dermot Desmond in Rovers its not a stretch to say a club in Dublin with a new Stadium (i live in hope) might be investable and all the more investable with a bit of onfield success

I just don't get that - it never helped them attract a decent, sustainable fanbase before. And even if it transpires that they become more successful than Bohs and Rovers and become these "media darlings" (and that is a really big "if"), it doesn't matter a damn if the foundations are not solid (and i have seen nothing to suggest they are).

Anyway, all Bohs should keep doing is all that they have been over the last 4-5 years.

Ezeikial

29/10/2019, 6:27 PM

Ironically the ongoing dithering and pushing back of the stadium may dissuade any investment for a while.
Looking at Peak6 in Dundalk and Dermot Desmond in Rovers its not a stretch to say a club in Dublin with a new Stadium (i live in hope) might be investable and all the more investable with a bit of onfield success

It's interesting to note that the current Bohs attendance figures are ahead of what Rovers recorded 2 seasons ago, while their 2019 league performance also shows Bohs ahead of where Rovers finished in 2017 (60 points v 54 points; 1.67 points per match v 1.64).

If Rovers can't maintain their recent momentum in the next few years, is it possible Bohs might present a greater threat to Rovers claim to be Dublin No 1 club?

dejadem

29/10/2019, 6:31 PM

1st leg goal, Chris Lyons

https://twitter.com/DroghedaUnited/status/1189240758202748928

wexfordned

29/10/2019, 7:45 PM

It's interesting to note that the current Bohs attendance figures are ahead of what Rovers recorded 2 seasons ago, while their 2019 league performance also shows Bohs ahead of where Rovers finished in 2017 (60 points v 54 points; 1.67 points per match v 1.64).

If Rovers can't maintain their recent momentum in the next few years, is it possible Bohs might present a greater threat to Rovers claim to be Dublin No 1 club?

Bohs problem is that they were turning away fans this season and will find it difficult to keep increasing avg attendances purely due to limitations of capacity in the ground.

For all the talk you hear about "the project" in Tallaght and their brilliant academy Bohs not Shamrock Rovers are the example on how to put down roots in the local community. The are almost like a rural GAA club in how they have established such a strong link in the local community.

The link up with St Kevins has been a success for both parties with clear links for promotion from underage teams and real opportunities for regular 1st team football for young players

nigel-harps1954

29/10/2019, 8:22 PM

Drogheda will bring a one goal advantage to Finn Park on Friday. Drogheda deserved to win but we are still in with a shout,we had our 2 best chances after going behind Cretaro hitting the woodwork with the best one.
The next goal is obviously crucial,whoever gets it will win the tie I feel........

Harps were really awful. Drogheda were marginally better. It was an awful game between two really poor teams.

Harps would want to attempt to play some football on Friday night.

sbgawa

29/10/2019, 9:53 PM

A fair analysis of the data just doesn't prove the above out. In the last two seasons of the data below we were playing in and qualifying for European action. We weren't getting even 1500 per game. The jump from 2016-2019 is +1200 per game average attendance over that period, coinciding with a lot of the work that was being done in the community. We jumped ~400 in one season and ~850 over the next 2 with, admittedly, 700 of that in the last season. Our average attendance was around 3100 in the first series of games (when nobody knew how well we would do) before it tapered off during our most successful season in the last 8-9. I just don't see how you can draw the conclusions you have.

I agree that our challenge will be to sustain it at the 2700-2900 mark as we are fairly limited in how much more it can grow.

Bohs - 2,856 (2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)

I just don't get that - it never helped them attract a decent, sustainable fanbase before. And even if it transpires that they become more successful than Bohs and Rovers and become these "media darlings" (and that is a really big "if"), it doesn't matter a damn if the foundations are not solid (and i have seen nothing to suggest they are).

Anyway, all Bohs should keep doing is all that they have been over the last 4-5 years.

Shels don't have to have the biggest crowds to be successful , look at dundalk for example, peak 6 don't care about an extra few hundred at the game hence the lack of even a gew relatively easy improvements in oriel, tbe attendance money is chicken feed
Compared to Euro money etc.
I agree the bohs approach is more sustainable ,but cheque book investors like peak 6 don't need to worry unduly about crowds.
The off season this year is goin gv to be interesting.
Will pats go again?
Will shels go full time?
Only 3 and a half months till the league starts ;)
I might even turn up in the Jodi for your home game against shels :)
I'm not putting down the work bohs have done in the community I'm just making the point that 650 of the 1200 growth has come in one season thus I think more likely link is to success this year.
The work going on should mean your new floor is 2000 + rather than 1500 and that is positive and allows a board to plan

nigel-harps1954

29/10/2019, 10:58 PM

Why wouldn't Dundalks investors care about a drop in attendances? They still need to run the club week to week. If there's only 1,700 paying in rather than 2,700, you're looking at a drop of around €8,000. That'd put a right dent in anyones wage bill, Europe or no Europe.

sbgawa

29/10/2019, 11:26 PM

I don't think they are worrying about falling attendances the current supporters are coming despite the facilities, it's being unduly bothered about increasing it that I question.
Or even a drop tbh a 1000 drop would be massive and not linked to facilities which aren't changing, but even then at 8k per match is around 150k......won't move the needle and that would be a catastrophic fall.

Charlie Darwin

30/10/2019, 2:57 AM

Disgraceful scenes at Richmond Park tonight as the Pats announcer didn't call out the names of any of the Bohs players as they received their medals. Disgusting :)

Dalymountrower

30/10/2019, 5:57 AM

Disgraceful scenes at Richmond Park tonight as the Pats announcer didn't call out the names of any of the Bohs players as they received their medals. Disgusting :)
They weren't spat at by the Pats crowd either, what is the eorld coming to?
Congrats Pats ,they are ripping it up in underage football, presumably they have a secret underground deserted cement plant where they develop their youngsters.

wexfordned

30/10/2019, 10:59 AM

Disgraceful scenes at Richmond Park tonight as the Pats announcer didn't call out the names of any of the Bohs players as they received their medals. Disgusting :)

At least the pats players and captain were invited up to get the trophy unlike the silence in tallaght for the Bohs captain/players. Congratulations to St Pats on their victory

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 12:17 PM

We all have access to the same data, courtesy of Nigel's attendance analysis; it is clear from this that the jump in attendance is not the one-season wonder that you present

2019
2018
2017
2016
2015
2014

2856
2148
2006
1627
1724
1395

Although this years increase has been very impressive, it is easy to see the significant progression in the last 5 seasons. Using 2014 attendance as a reference point, it is easy to see the progress made, building up to a 44% increase in 2017 and 54% increase in 2018 etc

2019
2018
2017
2016
2015
2014

205
154
144
117
124
100

Having a good season in 2019 was a big help to build on the off-pitch work including many Jodi sellouts, but Bohs were building attendances and supporter commitment right throughout Keith Longs managerial reign. One off colour season would not derail that

Aw but facts don�t feed in to the Shels are going to relegate Bohs� bull**** he has been peddling. 🤨

The move to Tolka will impact on potential growth st Bohs but it�s not like Shels will get to Dalymount Nua before us and we are planning on maintaining links with the community during our stay in Tolka. Financially we are preparing for Tolka - the wilderness years 😃 and should be ale to cope.
When both clubs move to Dalymount Bohs will be in the better place to get most of the new stadium daytrippers. In the short term a few north Dublin derbies will help both clubs (Shels brought one of the biggest �away� crowds we had this season.)

Hopefully Dalymount Nua project will kick on and allow us develop the club further.
It will take more than deluded hoop wishful thinking or a poor season to derail us. Over this season our crowds (at Dalymount) have been very consistent unlike other clubs.

mcgonigle

30/10/2019, 12:25 PM

Shels don't have to have the biggest crowds to be successful , look at dundalk for example, peak 6 don't care about an extra few hundred at the game hence the lack of even a few relatively easy improvements in oriel, tbe attendance money is chicken feed
Compared to Euro money etc.

Curious what you think these are?

sbgawa

30/10/2019, 2:08 PM

sbgawa

30/10/2019, 2:22 PM

Aw but facts don’t feed in to the Shels are going to relegate Bohs” bull**** he has been peddling. 廊

The move to Tolka will impact on potential growth st Bohs but it’s not like Shels will get to Dalymount Nua before us and we are planning on maintaining links with the community during our stay in Tolka. Financially we are preparing for Tolka - the wilderness years  and should be ale to cope.
When both clubs move to Dalymount Bohs will be in the better place to get most of the new stadium daytrippers. In the short term a few north Dublin derbies will help both clubs (Shels brought one of the biggest “away” crowds we had this season.)

Hopefully Dalymount Nua project will kick on and allow us develop the club further.
It will take more than deluded hoop wishful thinking or a poor season to derail us. Over this season our crowds (at Dalymount) have been very consistent unlike other clubs.

Jeez Marino you do go from 0-60 in 2 seconds.
You are about to groundshare with a club from roughly the same geographical area who have a wealthy private backer who is a successful businessman and is unlikely to have bought into it because of a lifelong love of Shels.#
Last season they signed a bunch of players from you and if your board had'nt moved quicker this year would probably have done so again.
Given i loath Shels i've made the point on here taht Bohs need to be careful that they don't end up being second fiddle to Shels going forward as it is prety obvious that it would be Shels intention to be seen as the "big" club in the new stadium......or do you think that the investor/investors are planning on finishing bottom half?

Equally on the attendances the increases from the previous season over the last few years were
2015 +329
2016 -97
2017 +379
2018 +142
2019 + 708 and it could have been 1000+ if you could have fitted more in for the matches that were sold out.
How is it so controversial to say that the 2019 jump was reflective of a good season AS WELL as the work Bohs have been doing.

Rovers had an even bigger jump in attendance this year and while ongoing community work continued i would say a more compeitive team and a decent style of football was also a big contributor and likely the major factor as the community work has been going on for years just like Bohs.

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 3:11 PM

Jeez Marino you do go from 0-60 in 2 seconds.
You are about to groundshare with a club from roughly the same geographical area who have a wealthy private backer who is a successful businessman and is unlikely to have bought into it because of a lifelong love of Shels.#
Last season they signed a bunch of players from you and if your board had'nt moved quicker this year would probably have done so again.
Given i loath Shels i've made the point on here taht Bohs need to be careful that they don't end up being second fiddle to Shels going forward as it is prety obvious that it would be Shels intention to be seen as the "big" club in the new stadium......or do you think that the investor/investors are planning on finishing bottom half?

Equally on the attendances the increases from the previous season over the last few years were
2015 +329
2016 -97
2017 +379
2018 +142
2019 + 708 and it could have been 1000+ if you could have fitted more in for the matches that were sold out.
How is it so controversial to say that the 2019 jump was reflective of a good season AS WELL as the work Bohs have been doing.

Rovers had an even bigger jump in attendance this year and while ongoing community work continued i would say a more compeitive team and a decent style of football was also a big contributor and likely the major factor as the community work has been going on for years just like Bohs.
Shels signed a number of players surplus to requirements at Dalymount. Not one of ehich Bohs wanted to keep (go through them).
Shels have little or no presence in Drumcondra and virtually zero in Phibsborough. They are not from the area and honestly have done little to develop any local links.
Other than that your �concern� has real merit 😀
Bohs support has been very consistent across all games - not just big games, which indicates a stronger core support.
Perhaps you should tell Shels fans about thier �masterplan� as most are still against move to Dalymount.

sbgawa

30/10/2019, 3:26 PM

Shels signed a number of players surplus to requirements at Dalymount. Not one of ehich Bohs wanted to keep (go through them).
Shels have little or no presence in Drumcondra and virtually zero in Phibsborough. They are not from the area and honestly have done little to develop any local links.
Other than that your “concern” has real merit 
Bohs support has been very consistent across all games - not just big games, which indicates a stronger core support.
Perhaps you should tell Shels fans about thier “masterplan” as most are still against move to Dalymount.

It is less then 2 miles from Dalymount to Tolka, i think that qualifies as general area tbh , particularly for people who decide to travel to see a match.
Also once Shels move they will get half the tourists as they will be at home every second week.
There is another club in Dublin competing to sign players for the premier division next year (no offence to UCD btw as they don't typically compete for players on a wages basis) more specifically in North city Dublin, more competition for players etc etc, would Mandroiu have signed for Bohs if Shels were in the Premier and offered him more money? The first thing players agents do is call the other clubs in the same area and tout the players around.
I agree with you that the core support has risen for Bohs but again i think a jump of +700 this year which could have been higher but for all the sold out signs is at least as much down to having a good season as anything else...what is so controversial about that?
The Shels fans feelings about moving to Dalymount don't matter a jot its happening ......assuming the Stadium gets built

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 4:42 PM

It is less then 2 miles from Dalymount to Tolka, i think that qualifies as general area tbh , particularly for people who decide to travel to see a match.
Also once Shels move they will get half the tourists as they will be at home every second week.
There is another club in Dublin competing to sign players for the premier division next year (no offence to UCD btw as they don't typically compete for players on a wages basis) more specifically in North city Dublin, more competition for players etc etc, would Mandroiu have signed for Bohs if Shels were in the Premier and offered him more money? The first thing players agents do is call the other clubs in the same area and tout the players around.
I agree with you that the core support has risen for Bohs but again i think a jump of +700 this year which could have been higher but for all the sold out signs is at least as much down to having a good season as anything else...what is so controversial about that?
The Shels fans feelings about moving to Dalymount don't matter a jot its happening ......assuming the Stadium gets built

Mandroui and others signed for Bohs due to St Kevin�s connections shams told us couldn�t work 😀 as for Dublin North City - ask Jack or Burke about that.
When Pats move to SDCC Stadium they will have more to build on than Shels have in Dalymount. Keep dreaming.

Nesta99

30/10/2019, 6:30 PM

It's a valid point though Marino. If Shels happen to do better than Bohs in due course when Dlymount is shared they could nick the floating support be they tourists or just passive football fans. It could impact on Bohs (and visa versa) so shouldnt be dismissed. You'd have to hope that the community work Bohs do creates a loyalty.

If Byrne and Burke are from North Dubline inner city why are they playing out in the sticks with Rovers?

sbgawa

30/10/2019, 7:22 PM

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 7:59 PM

Both (burke/byrne) wanted full time football when they came back from England..
I Don t think any st Kevin's boys coming back this year will turn down more money for the love of st Kevin's;) if it's offered by shels or anyone else.

Byrne spoke to Bohs and was close to signing before he was offered a lot more money to go to Tallaght. Simple as that. Players sign primarily for money if Shels are offering more they will take players from more than Bohs !
If ANY club offers more money players will move irrespective (within reason) of location.

Any glory hunters 😁 wanting to piggyback on any Shels success need only walk 10 minutes down the road right now. Hasn't caused us too many problems, even when Shels were good.

mcgonigle

30/10/2019, 8:13 PM

Clean up the away end, extend the roof on the Shed , put a stand like the stand Sligo have behind the goal, the last on might be a bit more than loose change tbf, (any sligo fans know how much that cost ?) I'm sure the DFC fans could produce a better list.

You said easy improvements, I don't see any on your list but would depend what you mean by clean up the away end, sweep it, mop it?

sbgawa

30/10/2019, 8:21 PM

Byrne spoke to Bohs and was close to signing before he was offered a lot more money to go to Tallaght. Simple as that. Players sign primarily for money if Shels are offering more they will take players from more than Bohs !
If ANY club offers more money players will move irrespective (within reason) of location.

Any glory hunters 😁 wanting to piggyback on any Shels success need only walk 10 minutes down the road right now. Hasn't caused us too many problems, even when Shels were good.

Byrne nearly signed for bohs.....part time football for a guy trying to resurrect his carear , don't think so, good spoof .
At least you accept that players will sign for shels if offered more money despite the Kevin's connection.
That was kinda my point, hence signing next season's mandroiu will be harder.
That is where to be fair to long the euro qualification money couldn't have been timed better

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 8:35 PM

Byrne nearly signed for bohs.....part time football for a guy trying to resurrect his carear , don't think so, good spoof .
At least you accept that players will sign for shels if offered more money despite the Kevin's connection.
That was kinda my point, hence signing next season's mandroiu will be harder.
That is where to be fair to long the euro qualification money couldn't have been timed better

Bit like Watts (A Southsider) wouldn't sign part time ? As I said Byrne didn't have shams offer when he spoke to Bohs, try reading slower. 😁
If Shels offer more money they will take players from any team - not just Bohs. That's my point (maybe even you get that ?) The same as if shams, Dundalk or....really I'm not sure what it is you are having such difficulty with ?
Player will sign for more money - irrespective of club or location. Nothing different about Bohs/Shels except your imagination.

Nesta99

30/10/2019, 8:56 PM

Bit like Watts (A Southsider) wouldn't sign part time ? As I said Byrne didn't have shams offer when he spoke to Bohs, try reading slower. 
If Shels offer more money they will take players from any team - not just Bohs. That's my point (maybe even you get that ?) The same as if shams, Dundalk or....really I'm not sure what it is you are having such difficulty with ?
Player will sign for more money - irrespective of club or location. Nothing different about Bohs/Shels except your imagination.

Couldnt you make your points without the more personal barbs?

You are correct, players will generally go to whomever offers the most money. What happens if Shels have bigger pockets though? If they overtake Bohs at any point then Dalymount could end up a more Shels ground than Bohs!

placid casual

30/10/2019, 9:13 PM

It should be interesting to see who shels get in the off season, now that they would be seen as direct competitors for certain players with bohs and pats - I am assuming that there is a different level of player being sought by Rovers and dundalk, rightly or wrongly.
As shels have been out of sight, out of mind for a few years now its hard to know how they'll take to being back in the top division
If I heard it correctly, bohs have already tied up a number of their players on contracts for next season already, so I don't think they'll have to worry unduly for the moment.
Is the stadium even going to go ahead?

marinobohs

30/10/2019, 9:26 PM

Couldnt you make your points without the more personal barbs?

You are correct, players will generally go to whomever offers the most money. What happens if Shels have bigger pockets though? If they overtake Bohs at any point then Dalymount could end up a more Shels ground than Bohs!

If Drogheda come up and PEAK6 move on....😁 lots of "ifs" there. Same argument.

If Shels have bigger pockets they will take players off ANYONE not just Bohs.

Shels have no history or presence in Phibsborough, shams played there it didn't become their ground (same applies to Tolka) and that was before Bohs became embedded in the community. The stadium is retaining the name Dalymount, a name synonymous with Bohs.

SkStu

31/10/2019, 12:42 AM

Don�t worry lads, all these hardcore Shels fans will be along in a second to answer all the questions that haven�t been answered over the last couple of days.

Any second now.

They�ll be here.

Nesta99

31/10/2019, 11:57 AM

SkStu

31/10/2019, 12:04 PM

Oh there isnt any worry on my behalf for Bohs or Shels whatever about Rovers fans - I'm just interested in what Bohs fans think. The general avoidance, whataboutery etc implies a quiet concern or a good dose of Ostrich syndrome. If Peak6 fecked off we'd be screwed right now and there is a concerning conplacency also with no plan B eg DFC Trust active or in place!

To be honest, i have laid out my thoughts on it in my previous posts. If i am going to summarize... how serious are Shels investors ie where do they want to challenge? It presents some risk, unknown and not enough to get my knickers in a twist. Bohs are doing very well in many different aspects. We havent relied on a backer, have grown our crowds almost every year, have built a decent youth set up, have attracted excellent young talent and have established deep links with the local community. Shels appear to be relying solely on investment. If there is a risk of Shels becoming a more successful club than Bohs at some point in the next couple of seasons, it will go once the investors money goes if they havent built any infrastructure around the club. Surely none of the above is controversial or indicative of "ostrich syndrome" i dont think. I think its kind of telling in some ways that no Shels fans appear to be on foot.ie or able to answer these questions... this is 100% being speculated on by a single Rovers fan.

Nesta99

31/10/2019, 12:18 PM

Thank you for your opinion. I dont recall your previous posts on the matter though tbh it was Marino that was mostly doing tyhe deflecting.

marinobohs

31/10/2019, 1:10 PM

Thank you for your opinion. I dont recall your previous posts on the matter though tbh it was Marino that was mostly doing tyhe deflecting.

What deflecting FFS ?
- well established in the area over decades
- steady sustainable growth in crowds
- leading the way (in LOI) in community initiatives
- solid financial position without dependence on some backer with little/no link to club
- established underage link up.
- stadium name synonymous with Bohemian FC

So no, I’m not overly concerned about some possible/maybe/who knows investment that may/will/ who knows propel Shels above Bohs so they can Hoover up all our players while not bothering with any other teams players.
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Mr A

31/10/2019, 2:00 PM

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Enough with the attacking other posters.

marinobohs

31/10/2019, 2:40 PM

Thank you for your opinion. I dont recall your previous posts on the matter though tbh it was Marino that was mostly doing tyhe deflecting.

Even allowing for spelling ;) I got the distinct impression this was directed at me.Glad to be able to clarify matters.

Nah Nah Nah Nah

31/10/2019, 9:22 PM

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 12:30 AM

marinobohs

01/11/2019, 8:57 AM

I THINK if Dundalk start building and improving the ground NOW against current pp then what we have applied for it would contravene whatever plans they've currently applied for
I'm pretty sure a plan(s) to improve the ground have been issued to LCC (i fcking hope they have)

I seem to recall that plans for PP were lodged, although how serious they were is another matter (they do help with licencing :o). while it would be nice if Dundalk had a stadium anywhere near as good as their team I don't see anything major happening anytime soon. Their business model doesn't lend itself to long term investment in the stadium so I suspect minor improvements as good as it will get.

Apart from 'liking a better stadium' is there any solid business rationale to convince PEAK6 to spend that kind of money ? projected return ? would love to see it for the club (and Town) but unless there is a business case I cant see it happening.

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 11:19 AM

I seem to recall that plans for PP were lodged, although how serious they were is another matter (they do help with licencing :o). while it would be nice if Dundalk had a stadium anywhere near as good as their team I don't see anything major happening anytime soon. Their business model doesn't lend itself to long term investment in the stadium so I suspect minor improvements as good as it will get.

Apart from 'liking a better stadium' is there any solid business rationale to convince PEAK6 to spend that kind of money ? projected return ? would love to see it for the club (and Town) but unless there is a business case I cant see it happening.

Thats not true,that pp were applied for in regards to improvements in OP regarding P6

But WHAT might happen with Dundalk fans at the end of the season could be a bit of a revolt against the - team v stadium dictate and Dundalk fans are fed up of it.Interesting times ahead down here.

marinobohs

01/11/2019, 11:27 AM

Thats not true,that pp were applied for in regards to improvements in OP regarding P6

But WHAT might happen with Dundalk fans at the end of the season could be a bit of a revolt against the - team v stadium dictate and Dundalk fans are fed up of it.Interesting times ahead down here.

Fair enough TT. As a matter of interest (other than aspirational) is development of Oriel a big issue among Dundalk fans ? And what form would any 'revolt' be likely to take ? boycott matches, merchandise ? I know a lot of away teams gripes about Oriel is the fact most of us lose there :D and its a handy stick to bet Dundalk with.

While I would like to see improvements in OP (and it would be great for the future - if its not done now on the back of success it never will be) I'd be happy to see our 9Dundalk V Bohs) game played in a field if Bohs won :cool:

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 11:41 AM

]Fair enough TT. As a matter of interest (other than aspirational) is development of Oriel a big issue among Dundalk fans ?[/B] And what form would any 'revolt' be likely to take ? boycott matches, merchandise ? I know a lot of away teams gripes about Oriel is the fact most of us lose there :D and its a handy stick to bet Dundalk with.

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I reckon the ground (op) will be the main subject for off season chat among Dundalk fans.

Yossarian

01/11/2019, 11:45 AM

But WHAT might happen with Dundalk fans at the end of the season could be a bit of a revolt against the - team v stadium dictate and Dundalk fans are fed up of it.Interesting times ahead down here.

There�s no chance of a revolt against the team/club, I honestly don�t know how you have come to that opinion. Yes, the supporters are a bit fed up with lack of any movement on the ground but they never said they would do anything major.
Once the team is successful then things will carry on, if the success dries up then fans will naturally drift away. It�s always happened despite no major structural improvements to the ground in decades.

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 12:12 PM

I bet there will be.I'm sure you're familiar with what happens at OP.and Dundalk fans.
I'm all for winning,long may it continue bro.But a lot of people are getting p€€ed off with and getting more with that way as p6 is being ignorant and abtuse about op.#
You care about winning,i care about a legacy for that winning.

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 12:20 PM

Sorry about dat post,phone sgain.will post later

Ezeikial

01/11/2019, 12:24 PM

It would be brilliant if there was some sort of organised fan group advocating for stadium upgrading.

But do you seriously think fans would prefer a new town end roof or a the 100k striker signing who is likely to give 25 goals?

Most want both, but in an either/ or scenario would prefer to stand in muck if it gave a group league stage probability

ToberonaTornado

01/11/2019, 12:35 PM

Ezeikial

01/11/2019, 12:59 PM

you're letting them off the hook to easily ez.I remember when you gave a damn.

;)

Maybe you're right! Despite the success of the last 2 years I'm still hugely sceptical about Peak6. and in particular what the club might look when they exit.

In my opinion a big part of the problem is that too few supporters are actually sufficiently agitated about this and will blandly accept inertia and drivel once the club is successful on the pitch. Witness the irrational lack of enthusiasm for a Trust relaunch or Supporters group on Oriel Web as an indication of the level of passivity that exists.

We need the revolt that you talk about to shake up lethargic fans to put bring pressure to bear around stadium improvements!